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logen33
post May 27 2011, 08:14 AM

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Lease Hold Property - Fact Sheet

---PJ residents cannot afford RM100,000 to renew their houses’ leasehold titles:
Most residents of Petaling Jaya Old Town whose property lease is expiring in three to 15 years had a shock when they applied for an extension. The premium now costs them between RM80,000 and RM100,000, compared with RM40,000 four years ago.


---Lease extensions to 99 years
KUALA LUMPUR: State governments can approve applications for renewal or extension of leasehold land for a period of not more than 99 years unless they require the land for public purposes.
Deputy Prime Minister Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin said all state governments had agreed to adhere to the new policy.
“The implementation of this policy would fulfill the needs of the rakyat who are worried about losing their land titles,” he told reporters after chairing the 66th National Land Council meeting here yesterday.
He said the policy, which was decided during the meeting, would be used as a guide with several conditions which include:

> leasehold land under the categories “building”, “industrial” or “agriculture” for which owners can apply at any time to extend their lease and are not bound by the remainder of the lease period;
> extension of the new lease is not more than 99 years if the land is not required by the government for public purposes;
> it is subject to imposition of relevant fees;
> the new period of the lease is effective from the date of the registration of the new title;



---Leasehold renewal demystified 19/10/2002 NST-PROP By Eileen Ng

Extension and renewal procedure:
1) Procedures for extending or renewing leases both by developers or individual owners are the same.

2) The extension of leases is governed by Section 197 of the National Land Code 1965, Applying for an extension, the lease must first be surrendered to the state government.

3) To fill in a form called Permohonan Serahbalik dan Mohon Semula Tanah Untuk Tujuan Melanjutkan Tempoh Pajakan (application to surrender and re-alienate land to extend lease duration). Those who want their lease extended can opt for either 60 or 99 years.

4) Together with the form, the owner also has to submit to the land office a certified copy of the land title, which can be obtained from the office’s registration department, a copy of the current year’s quit rent receipt, personal and land particulars, a copy of the latest assessment receipt, two copies of site plans and a copy of the applicant’s identity card.

5) Once received the forms, a settlement officer (SO) will be sent to the area to check on the land status to ensure that it is used only for the approved purpose.

6) The SO and the planner will then prepare a report to be incorporated in a draft paper forwarded to the state exco for approval.

7) whole process is estimated to take about three months.

8) Once approved by the exco, owner required to submit another form, Form 12A, which entails giving back the property to the land administrator for re-alienation.

9) If the application is approved, the land office will issue the “Notice that Land Revenue is Due “ (Form 5A) to the property owner, who will have to pay the premium within three months of the date of the notice.

10) Upon payment of the premium, the land office will get the land title ready and inform the property owner that it is ready for collection.

11) The entire surrendering and re-alienating process takes at least one year due. Hence, property owners to start reapplying for an extension at least two to three years before the lease expires.

12) If the lease has expired, property owners will have no choice but to apply for lease renewal using the Permohonan Pemberimilikan Tanah form (Application for Land Re-alienation). The subsequent procedures are the same as applying for an extension.

13) Once the lease has expired, the property automatically reverts back to the state government and this allows anyone to apply for the land.

“Thus, it is very dangerous to let the lease expire,”


High premiums
The renewal premium charged is based on a formula stipulated in the Selangor Land Rules 1966.

For residential areas, the formula is: 1/2 x 1/100 x land size x market value of property x tenure of lease. It means for 99 yrs tenure = About 50% of market land value.

For commercial and industrial properties, the formula is: 3/4 x 1/100 x market value of property x tenure of lease

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post May 27 2011, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(logen33 @ May 26 2011, 07:52 PM)
No Doubt with all these good points, it seem to be good deal!
But who really can conquer the Lease Hold “Phobia”?


Added on May 26, 2011, 8:49 pmBasing on the sale/pre-register record shown very promising!
I believe TMS purposely increased the last row of 2 & 3 storey Semi D to 1.7mil & 1.9mil respectively is to create a comfortable zone to retain the owners until they really ink down the S&P agreement.
Very good marketing strategic!
Percentage of successful rate still very much depending on how the individual owner overcome the FEAR FACTOR - “Lease Hold Phobia” !! Sometime no matter how you perfectly plan, but just one tiny factor is good enough to spoil the whole soup!
Expected drop out rate about: 30%???
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hi logen, i used to think like you a couple of years ago. U got to monitor the changes in land use in Klang Valley (KV). Especially for those who come from outside KV, buying a leasehold property is a big NO! why? plenty of freehold land lah, who the hell will bother leasehold land. Urbanisation in KV is tremendous. Thousand of people is moving into live in KV. Demand for housing has been outpaced the supply of land. Remember land supply is static, demand is increasing everyday. Anecdotal evidence - look at how fast Kota Damansara has grown. i went there to scout for investment opp so many times. None were successful as always warn by property agents, friends and associates, that it is leasehold. Now, i think they are the buyers there, many years ago, it was so cheap! This is my personal experience! cost a lot of money! so please be guided.

Another reason for people to buy freehold is due to the uncertainty of when can the property be sold should the need arise. but for leasehold property being built within developed areas, there are always readily available buyers to take over your property - even though it is leasehold. if you cannot comprehend this u will loss lots of good investment opps.

I tend to agree with UFO, as people is getting more affluent, people is getting more "kiasi", security is becoming more important.

BTW, i m keen to know what do you mean by expected drop out of 30%?
logen33
post May 27 2011, 06:49 PM

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UFO & mrhark,

Thanks for your valuable opinion and advice!

Expected drop out rate is referring to 2 & 3 storey Semi D’s S&P agreement signing rate!


Added on May 27, 2011, 7:49 pmBTW,may i know what is the land price per sq.ft. for free hold & lease hold residential at Bandar Kinrara?

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post May 30 2011, 02:45 PM

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why drop-out rate because paper gain is already rm250k?
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post May 30 2011, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(logen33 @ May 27 2011, 08:14 AM)
Lease Hold Property - Fact Sheet

---PJ residents cannot afford RM100,000 to renew their houses’ leasehold titles:
Most residents of Petaling Jaya Old Town whose property lease is expiring in three to 15 years had a shock when they applied for an extension. The premium now costs them between RM80,000 and RM100,000, compared with RM40,000 four years ago.
---Lease extensions to 99 years
KUALA LUMPUR: State governments can approve applications for renewal or extension of leasehold land for a period of not more than 99 years unless they require the land for public purposes.
Deputy Prime Minister Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin said all state governments had agreed to adhere to the new policy.
“The implementation of this policy would fulfill the needs of the rakyat who are worried about losing their land titles,” he told reporters after chairing the 66th National Land Council meeting here yesterday.
He said the policy, which was decided during the meeting, would be used as a guide with several conditions which include:

> leasehold land under the categories “building”, “industrial” or “agriculture” for which owners can apply at any time to extend their lease and are not bound by the remainder of the lease period;
> extension of the new lease is not more than 99 years if the land is not required by the government for public purposes;
> it is subject to imposition of relevant fees;
> the new period of the lease is effective from the date of the registration of the new title;
---Leasehold renewal demystified 19/10/2002 NST-PROP By Eileen Ng

Extension and renewal procedure:
1) Procedures for extending or renewing leases both by developers or individual owners are the same.

2) The extension of leases is governed by Section 197 of the National Land Code 1965, Applying for an extension, the lease must first be surrendered to the state government.

3) To fill in a form called Permohonan Serahbalik dan Mohon Semula Tanah Untuk Tujuan Melanjutkan Tempoh Pajakan (application to surrender and re-alienate land to extend lease duration). Those who want their lease extended can opt for either 60 or 99 years.

4) Together with the form, the owner also has to submit to the land office a certified copy of the land title, which can be obtained from the office’s registration department, a copy of the current year’s quit rent receipt, personal and land particulars, a copy of the latest assessment receipt, two copies of site plans and a copy of the applicant’s identity card.

5) Once received the forms, a settlement officer (SO) will be sent to the area to check on the land status to ensure that it is used only for the approved purpose.

6) The SO and the planner will then prepare a report to be incorporated in a draft paper forwarded to the state exco for approval.

7) whole process is estimated to take about three months.

8) Once approved by the exco, owner required to submit another form, Form 12A, which entails giving back the property to the land administrator for re-alienation.

9) If the application is approved, the land office will issue the “Notice that Land Revenue is Due “ (Form 5A) to the property owner, who will have to pay the premium within three months of the date of the notice.

10) Upon payment of the premium, the land office will get the land title ready and inform the property owner that it is ready for collection.

11) The entire surrendering and re-alienating process takes at least one year due. Hence, property owners to start reapplying for an extension at least two to three years before the lease expires.

12) If the lease has expired, property owners will have no choice but to apply for lease renewal using the Permohonan Pemberimilikan Tanah form (Application for Land Re-alienation). The subsequent procedures are the same as applying for an extension.

13) Once the lease has expired, the property automatically reverts back to the state government and this allows anyone to apply for the land.

“Thus, it is very dangerous to let the lease expire,”
High premiums
The renewal premium charged is based on a formula stipulated in the Selangor Land Rules 1966.

For residential areas, the formula is: 1/2 x 1/100 x land size x market value of property x tenure of lease. It means for 99 yrs tenure = About 50% of market land value.

For commercial and industrial properties, the formula is: 3/4 x 1/100 x market value of property x tenure of lease
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Don't worry too much coz none of us will be around by the time the lease expired, even our country so if decided to buy just go ahead. Otherwise just have fun watching the property market drama's up & down. rclxms.gif
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post May 31 2011, 11:39 AM

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this does not affect one party. its on all the house owners. entire taman and the next taman and the next next taman.

do u think the gov will kick out all the residents?

anyway lets watch wat happen to the rich PJ folks LoL. then we shld know our fate when the lease is up. when our great grandchildren are owning the houses smile.gif


Added on May 31, 2011, 11:44 amKR (and Damai phase 2) are pushing for completion of the houses.

i see them working sometimes up to midnight. with cranes and cement mixers.



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post Jun 3 2011, 09:58 AM

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guys, i think mah sing has lost some steam promoting kinrara residence!

what happen?
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post Jun 3 2011, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(Covillea @ Jun 3 2011, 09:58 AM)
guys, i think mah sing has lost some steam promoting kinrara residence!

what happen?
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whats more to promote, almost sold out already right!
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post Jun 7 2011, 10:35 AM

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Bread also increased 20 sen from RM3.00 to RM3.20 (6.67% increase).

So house prices in the next couple of weeks will also see some inflationationary increase.
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post Jun 7 2011, 09:33 PM

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May i know what is the expected subsale price for 2 & 3 storey semi D when VP on 2014?
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QUOTE(Covillea @ Jun 7 2011, 10:35 AM)
Bread also increased 20 sen from RM3.00 to RM3.20 (6.67% increase).

So house prices in the next couple of weeks will also see some inflationationary increase.
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Real estate and bread are totally different case, I can't see any direct impact of food price adjustment on housing price. Property price is determined by many factors i.e, DD vs SS, gomen tax policy, BNM monetary policy, material cost, currency fluctuation, Foreign investment, change of social structure, urbanization, politic stability etc... complicated cool2.gif

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Hi, Sifu!
i also interested to invest on 3 storey Semi-D, is it worth buying?
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post Jun 9 2011, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(Covillea @ Jun 3 2011, 09:58 AM)
guys, i think mah sing has lost some steam promoting kinrara residence!

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Just check with MS today, SA said Semi-D will only be signing S&P 2-3 months later!
It seem to be MS thinking to delay the project after General election. In-oder to evaluate the full impact of inflation before launching of new phases!

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QUOTE(logen33 @ Jun 9 2011, 09:48 PM)
Just check with MS today, SA said Semi-D will only be signing S&P 2-3 months later!
It seem to be MS thinking to delay the project after General election. In-oder to evaluate the full impact of inflation before launching of new phases!
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This is ridiculous! Are you sure that's what the SA said? I don't think even the PM knows when the General Election is. Is Mah Sing just going to sit there and wait? Besides, they're almost sold out, what's there to wait? The longer they wait, the costlier it is because of inflation and costs of finance. Unless they're thinking of doing some dirty tricks, they shouldn't be delaying the S&P signing.
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QUOTE(cooolguy @ Jun 10 2011, 11:05 AM)
This is ridiculous! Are you sure that's what the SA said? I don't think even the PM knows when the General Election is. Is Mah Sing just going to sit there and wait? Besides, they're almost sold out, what's there to wait? The longer they wait, the costlier it is because of inflation and costs of finance. Unless they're thinking of doing some dirty tricks, they shouldn't be delaying the S&P signing.
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Don't be over excited, just my guessing only!
May be they haven't got the plan approval from Majlis !? drool.gif
You know everyday they are losing interest, because they already committed the selling price! cry.gif


Added on June 10, 2011, 9:15 pm
QUOTE(yuzuki joyce @ Jun 7 2011, 09:49 PM)
Hi, Sifu!
i also interested to invest on 3 storey Semi-D, is it worth buying?
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As i know 3 storey Semi D left only the last row selling at 1.9mil!
If u buy at this high price, by the time Vacant Possession most of the ppl (100++) entering at low price about 1.6mil++ is very must easier than u to dispose it, u will be trapped...!
Pray hard... hope for the miracle...!!! rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(logen33 @ Jun 10 2011, 07:55 PM)
Don't be over excited, just my guessing only!
May be they haven't got the plan approval from Majlis !?  drool.gif 
You know everyday they are losing interest, because they already committed the selling price!  cry.gif


Added on June 10, 2011, 9:15 pm

As i know 3 storey Semi D left only the last row selling at 1.9mil!
If u buy at this high price, by the time Vacant Possession most of the ppl (100++) entering at low price about 1.6mil++ is very must easier than u to dispose it, u will be trapped...!
Pray hard... hope for the miracle...!!! rclxub.gif
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Added on June 11, 2011, 9:40 am
QUOTE(logen33 @ Jun 10 2011, 07:55 PM)
Don't be over excited, just my guessing only!
May be they haven't got the plan approval from Majlis !?  drool.gif 
You know everyday they are losing interest, because they already committed the selling price!  cry.gif


Added on June 10, 2011, 9:15 pm

As i know 3 storey Semi D left only the last row selling at 1.9mil!
If u buy at this high price, by the time Vacant Possession most of the ppl (100++) entering at low price about 1.6mil++ is very must easier than u to dispose it, u will be trapped...!
Pray hard... hope for the miracle...!!! rclxub.gif
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Added on June 11, 2011, 9:46 amBro, If i am not mistaken the last row the land size is 10ft longer than other units. (40 x 90 instead of 40 x 80)

This post has been edited by eric er: Jun 11 2011, 09:46 AM
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post Jun 11 2011, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(eric er @ Jun 11 2011, 09:39 AM)

Added on June 11, 2011, 9:40 am


Added on June 11, 2011, 9:46 amBro, If i am not mistaken the last row the land size is 10ft longer than other units. (40 x 90 instead of 40 x 80)
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Correct, now 3 storey SD only left 10 units, with extra 10'L x 40'w > > 400sf x RM120/sf = RM48,000/= (Extra Cost)!
But selling price higher by 150k compared with others!
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I received 10% claim last week. Anyone received it too?
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what is the claim about ?

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