Time for Pacheco to shine!!! Hopefully, Roy can get the best out of him and make him a better player...

wow.. number 12? that means he is in the first team already.

If you want Liverpool to be a successful world club. Then you have to learn to accept all kinds of fans including casual and hardcore alike.

The reason I say this is because I know many of my friends who are not computer literate. There are a lot of casual fans all around the world. Yes it's true that they don't know who Bill Shanky is or know about the Hillsborough Disaster. One thing is for sure though, whenever Liverpool is playing, they'd still show up to watch the game.

Nobody is saying you shouldn't learn about history if you want to. But do I need to learn about history to enjoy something? I think you can learn history and/or it's present to enjoy something.

Liverpool's fanbase are so vast that there are all manners of people. Such are the characteristic of a global reach. I'm sure you all would bash me if I come in here claiming to be more of a fan than you just because I know more about Liverpool or if I own more Liverpool shirts or if I bought more Liverpool's memorabilia. It just makes me sound more of an elitist.

If you want to say I'm just a supporter then so be it.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Fan-Vs-Supporter...ence?&id=878340

Just kidding about the link. I know you're trying to say I am a lesser fan or supporter than you are.

To those who know more about the club, just share insights/links/knowledge to those who know less about the club.

To those who know little about the club, just google stuff about the club. It doesn't hurt to read up things that make Liverpool special/unique.

Please respect each other. Just restrain yourself from bashing others in this thread. It's been going on for like 2 days now. I'd rather like to see more posts about what's going on with club rather than what makes you a better fan of the club.

p/s The transfer gossip page on the official website seems to be suggesting Poulsen is close to signing. Is he really that good? Or is RH signing him just for backup purposes?

If you wish to end the discussion then you shouldn't take sides. Being bias just perpetuates it further.

Poulsen's a DM so it's probably a replacement for Mascherano, who is due to leave sooner or later.

You referring to whom?


But Inter don't want Masch d wor..since they claim they got not enough cash..Barca need him meh? Barca is too strong in midfield even without Masch..

Liverpool Ready To Sell Alberto Aquilani - Report
The Italian's stay at Anfield may be short-lived...

Liverpool are prepared to part ways with midfielder Alberto Aquilani after just one season, according to The Mirror and LaRoma24.it.

The Italian arrived at the English Premier League side last summer for a hefty €20 million from Roma, but spent the first half of the season struggling with injury and only showed flashes of his talent in the latter part of the 2009-10 campaign. Due to his injuries and loss of form he lost out on a place in Italy's squad for the 2010 World Cup in South Africa.

The Reds could sell the 26-year-old for just over half of what they paid for him, in order to gather the funds to make a bid for Belgian starlet Steven Defour.

Thus far, Liverpool have managed to hold on to a number of their stars this summer despite not qualifying for the Champions League, although Reds boss Roy Hodgson has admitted that Javier Mascherano is a prime candidate to leave.

this is bad...i still think he should be given another season to prove himself..if just by selling him now we will lose alot of money

Yeah, he didn't have enough matches to prove his worth. Sure he did have 25 apps but he wasn't fully match fit for most part of last season.

Protip: Don't trust any goal.com "news" unless they quote someone who's official.

http://www.anfieldroad.com/news/2010080738...he-planes.html/

u guys might wanna read this about or potential new owner Mr Yahya Kirdi..

thats a nice read! im also started to wonder bout his bid..

Well, I'd be honest again. I do think that those who do not want to spend maybe 30 minutes to do a quick read up of the clun's history but who would search the internet for transfer news etc are in a way a discredit to the Liverpool fanbase.

No one is forcing you to live life the 'Liverpool way', but an understanding of the clubs history will give you a better insight to the club you guys profess to be a fan of. You'll know why the club is so dear to many of us, the hurt of underachievement and the pain the yanks and the RB saga caused.

It is just 30 minutes. You can even do it during your lunch break!

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Added on August 11, 2010, 8:20 amAlamak, my definition of 'fan' and 'supporter' terbalik pulak

This post has been edited by madmoz: Aug 11 2010, 08:20 AM

i dont believe this kirdi. he's one of yank's son friend. i'm afraid he just manipulate the bidding so that the price will increase.

Methinks it has come to a point where the best thing to do about the ownership saga is to wait until the dust settles and some solid non mudslinging speculation news to come out.

Ah, how I relish the good old days where debates were heated and went on for days, and ended up with posters being (unfairly) banned.

Perhaps I was being a little too harsh there, the thing is that it pains me not when fans do not know about the club, no one will know everything there is to know. The thing that gets me is that many who claimed that there is absolutely no need to know anything about the team they are watching. No one is questioning the passion when it comes to supporting the team or watching them play, but one would hope that perhaps if they know a little more about the club, they would understand the passion about it a little more, to understand why certain things are done certain way, and why certain other things are a big no no.
A very good example would be the rivalry between Liverpool & Manchester goes far deeper than on the football pitch, I will not provide a link, but if you want, you could go and google it and read up about it if you want. Another thing is you have to uncerstand the city of Liverpool to understand the passion, the togetherness and why red fans around the world look out for each other and there are countless stories on the net about how red fans helped each other, without knowing the person. All these are from the "You'll Never Walk Alone" spirit the most fans held dear to heart. Of course, you don't have to do it, it doesn't make you a lesser supporter or follower, it just make you different from most. I suppose there's always an exception to the rule, wherever we go. So if there are those who don't want to read up or know more about the club, so be it, you can very well skip the postings the was put up by the likes of Duke, maddie, Vreis, Fyrekat (when he comes in) and a lot more whom I've forgotten, it's been that long. Just skip that and cotinue with your oneliner and / or cut and paste transfer news or guess works about the possible line ups.

I skip most of these postings anyway, as I can find them elsewhere online. The reason I come to a forum, this forum in particular is to engage in interesting discussion about all things Liverpool, which include the history and other interesting stories, and hopefully I will learn something from these
discussion as well.

Like someone said, to each his own, so just like how I skip those copy & paste transfer news, you're welcome to skip any postings of mine. In fact, maybe you should make a complain to some of the mods that I abuse you and ask them to ban me (this time I think it'll be permanently ).


On ownership issues, I am with maddie on this. Out of the blue there are 5 (4 now after Sahara Group pulled out) "interested" to buy the club? Wow, a while back, we couldn't talk someone into even look into it. I am taking this with a bag of salt. Whatever it is, I read somewhere that if no deal go through by 6 October, the banks could force sell the club and it could well being owned by the government (Maddie, need you expert input here, kindly explain how can this be as I am not familiar with this). Looks like it is high time to get meself register with ShareLiverpool, and then I could come in and tell people off as I would be ONE OF the owners! Unless of course one of you owns more share than me, then I shall keep me gob shut

Actually I have to agree with you on this. For the club to do well, they need fans of all sorts to watch the games or broadcasters would not want to pick them up and in turn, sponsors would not want to dump cash in to have their ads played and so on. If no one purchased merchandise, only the club would suffer. For more traditional fans like myself who love the club for more sentimental reasons, it's a tough situation to be in and I can empathise with the locals. On one hand they want to protect the 'sanctity' of the club, but on the other, they know that for the club to compete in today's game, we need to commercialise ourselves and market ourselves to as many people as possible. Same may even go to the extent to say that we have to sell our souls. Why? Because it's definition is, "To do anything, even sometimes bad and dishonest, in return for money, power, respect, success, etc". Sounds ruthless but then again football is now a business as much as it is a sport.

Suffice to say, fans all contribute in their own way in this new environment. We need fans to fill the stands. We need fans to sing and chant to raise team morale. We need fans to continue to purchase merchandise for the club's profitability. Lastly, we also need fans to continue to educate to those who are willing to listen so that the traditions and values of the club will continue to live on for generations to come. It will take a collaborative effort from us all but there isn't a need for you to yourselves under any one category of fan. You have a choice to be all of the above.



Fairplay. This argument has as far as I can tell, reached a stalemate. No one posters here I believe knows everything about the club but out of respect for our fallen comrades and their families, I still maintain that it's important to know about Hillsborough at least. I'm not saying that you need to know it to become a better supporter. I'm saying you need to know about it for basic reason of humanity. Lives were lost, injustice was done, and fellow Reds are still fighting for the truth to be known. It's the same if it were an earthquake in Indonesia or a flooding in New Orleans. The common human response would be to show compassion.

perhaps u guys know y Old Trafford not loud like Anfield. maybe half of their fans dont know how to sing/cheer to their team.

we do it like Liverpool way..

no ones being bias bro.. come one guys, give it a rest... we're all liverpool fans, followers, supporters... whether or not we know how many goals Heskey has scored in his time with us... it doesnt matter if we dont know all the past managers/legends.... whats important is we all love Liverpool FC the same way...

eg. its like comparing who loves ur mum more amongst ur siblings... (unless if its obvious, all of you love ur mum the same way -no more, no less- than ur siblings)

now on to more serious things:

The 4 potential buyers are probably just there for the sake of increasing the bid... i would have liked to see Kenny Huang take over but it looks set to go to Kirdi... whether its good for the club, only time will tell...with good financial backing, im sure we'll be back amongst the top 4 in no time.

-With Hopes in my Heart-

true, wish things were proper, as it is (base on if you believe whose winning the tussle) liverpool Fc is going

we have cancerous fans, if left unchecked may breed to an extend of

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Aug 11 2010, 01:19 PM