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post Jul 26 2010, 07:33 PM

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I am with duke on the point of "no player being bigger than the club". It is the same with the manager, assistant manager, the list just go on. The thing is that I would love for Torres to stay for another season, at least, to try and see whether he could win something with us. I won't blame him for wanting to leave, as he is coming into his prime, and if he stayed with us, the chances of him winning would probably diminished if the 2 clowns are still there. A very good example is Bryan Robson, for the player he was, he only won a couple of titles while at Man United, and that was towards the end of his career, and NO European honours at all.

I am not saying that Torres should leave in searching for honours, I am more the type who thinks he should give the manager some faith, give it another season, give his all, and most importantly stay injury free. He must remember, that the plight we are in are as much down to his injury record, in which he was constantly searching for match fitness. Then he'd get fit and then be injured again. To me, he owed us that much, to give another good season, try to win a cup or who knows, if the team somehow magically clicked, go for the title.

Many don't realised this, but this is essentially the same squad from last season with a couple of quality additions, no less Joey Cole and Milan Jovanovic. If the squad from last year is tipped to win the title after finishing 2nd in 2008/09, this squad, with the additions, should definitely better last season's performance. Don't forget, it's a brand new season, everyone will start with equal footing and everyone will be going for 3 points in every match. I say we'd know a bit more of the squad after the first 5 matches then readjust our expectation, but for now, if someone tells me that we'd win the title, I'll say, why not? After all, the season has yet to kick off and we have yet to lose (or win for that matter) a match, so let's have some positivity in cheering the team on! flex.gif

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post Jul 29 2010, 03:20 PM

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I am amazed at the ignorance of some of the posters here. Shooting the mouth off without engaging the brain (you know who you are). Also, like what duke pointed out, if you think nothing was done, you might want to check your facts before saying anything. At this very moment, SOS is in full swing, to the point of setting up overseas branches (unfortunately, a clash of legal rights means we are unable to set it up here, we were talking to them), there's also another movement in selling protest jerseys, again Malaysia was involve in that, it was supposed to be printed in Malaysia before they decided to print it elsewhere.
A simple "protest shirt - Liverpool" search will get you lots of different websites, while SOS, Save Liverpool group at facebook, there are lots of things being done. it is YOUR naivety that is sad, by complaining and shooting off like an idiot, which wrecks the good name of ALL Liverpool fan! Next time, please think before you say anything. Knob head!
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post Jul 30 2010, 06:21 PM

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Maddie & all those who wanted a "Standard Corrupted" shirt, please keep you browsers to MyRAWK, we are talking to them to do a bulk order, we should be putting up a form soon. will advise once I have more info.

On the Aussie, I was sooooo excited when he signed, but of course we knew what happened, I suspect that his hot wife has a lot to do with his injury problems as he is always having groin injury.

Maddie,
Posted that because I could not take the naivety ranting, of course our friend turned around and posted news from the lovely S*N. Can some one please tell him about the club? I'll be in and out a bit, see how the forum develops, if it goes back to the days when we had great discussions, then why not? Right? whistling.gif
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post Jul 31 2010, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(sickx @ Jul 31 2010, 09:51 AM)
next thing you know,xavi will go to the media and said pacheco has barca dna. tongue.gif
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You DO know that Rafa signed (stole) Pacheco from Barca when he was about 15 or 16, right? Therefore, that statement of him having Barca DNA (just like Cesc) is not entirely untrue.

There's IS one thing however, he can have Barca DNA (just like Cesc), but his development is at Liverpool, which means, having the DNA is one thing, it needs to be developed to fulfill the potential. So, I think anyone can say that he has Barca DNA, but more importantly, he bleeds Liverpool red (unlike Cesc).
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post Aug 4 2010, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Aug 3 2010, 05:41 PM)
There's been a number of articles and quotes from the UK Sun popping up around here  vmad.gif . For the benefit of our newer (and possibly younger) fans, please read.
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Can we put it down somewhere that NO articles from THE S*N is to be posted here? If you want to know why, simply read the article posted by maddie...

On the possible take over, many here stated that they wanted a passionate owner that is a fan, I will tell you this, it ain't gonna happen. the days of Uncle Jack who won Blackburn the league with his money are over, these days, I would say that it will be hard for fans to come out and own the club outright like how Jack Walker bankrolled his team. Especially with the 2 clowns at helm, by wanting in excess of 500 - 600M showed how greedy they are. Kenny Huang is playing a nice game here by trying to force their hands by going to RBS.

For me, I want an owner who'd see the club as a great investment. However, a great potential investment, he'd need to invest more, in the playing squad, the stadium and some other off field activities, then he'd be able to make profit out of it. While us fans would have something positive to cheer on, and hopefully this investment would be able to bring us the trophies that we so crave. While the owner makes a tidy profit out of it, I would have no problem with that.

And like maddie, I am pretty emotional at the prospect of a new owner that would see us moving in the right direction (hopefully and finally), and now let's hope that Woy would be able to steady the ship for now and then hopefully kick on for the trophies. To take a line out of "The Dark Knight", Roy Hodgson is not the hero we deserve (in fact, he hardly is the hero we want), but he's the one we need now"

Duke, I share your sentiments on "One night in May", everytime I watch it, or hear the "Ring of Fire" (CL 2005 version), it never fail to bring tears to me eyes, especially the part where the commentator goes "Liverpool is the champion of Europe for the 5th time, and that trophy is not going anywhere but Anfield". For the rest of the fans, you might not understand what it meant to win the CL, or fans of other club who prowl here, who think that 2 years of not winning a trophy is a barren run, try 21 now, before you make fun of that, please remember that Manchester United went without a league title for 24 years (1968 - 1992), we have a couple of years to go before that. And that Chelsea went 50 years between league titles, and Arsenal "only" 18 years between league titles.

For us, like what duke said, it's the years of frustration, the years of false dawn (we went all the way in 1996 / 97) until the last coupld of months, lost steam and ended up 4th, and the now infamous "we are 10 games away from greatness" by Houllier. It's just like courting a girl for 15 years and when she finally said yes to you! (well, something like that i supposed whistling.gif

Anyway, I do hope that the possible takeover will materialised and that we would be able to experience more nights like 25th May 2005, (technically it's 26th May 2005 here in Malaysia, but who cares, you know what I mean anyway)



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post Aug 5 2010, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Aug 4 2010, 02:23 PM)
Micheal Thomas killed us
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I told him that when I met him, twice. e wasn't too happy that I was bagging him.

QUOTE(leftist @ Aug 5 2010, 09:26 AM)
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Somehow the sex & science free magazine caught my attention whistling.gif

Maddie, Mascherano wants to join Rafa or Barca, I believe that a bid will still come in, but the thing is that rafa knows the situation at Liverpool and is playing the game. Also, with the ownership situation yet to be solved, I think we can't do much at the moment. For me,he came out and say that he wants to leave, then leave, no one, I repeat, no one, is bigger than the club.


By the way, just want to share the latest ink I got...

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post Aug 5 2010, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 5 2010, 01:53 PM)
Jonno: Show off smile.gif
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Says the guys with his tattoo as his avatar... whistling.gif

QUOTE(Petre @ Aug 5 2010, 02:05 PM)
Jonno: next one on the chest smile.gif
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Nah, will be looking out for the design and thinking hard where to place it...

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post Aug 5 2010, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(vreis @ Aug 5 2010, 03:14 PM)
Next the Shankly's gate across the butt  tongue.gif
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Nah, next will be "You'll Never walk Alone" probably in Chinese, looking for the right font / design. Actually, the next should be "Veritas Oriundus Aequitas" next to the torch.

QUOTE(vreis @ Aug 5 2010, 03:14 PM)
Btw, the flame is nice but the torch seems a bit 'horizontally challenged' hmm.gif
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Fat say fat la... sweat.gif
I know, that's the only thing I am not entirely happy with... I suppose I have to live with it for the rest of me life...
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post Aug 5 2010, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Aug 5 2010, 04:56 PM)
jonno: how much for both tats? and mana u buat?
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I did both at Borneo Ink, the price is in the region of RM500 each. One thing is you gotta book ahead though, normally about a month ahead. All the best mate, once you get one, you'd want another one.


QUOTE(vreis @ Aug 5 2010, 05:11 PM)
Me think that the torch with the latin phrase will be more meaningful. It sorta complete the torch, instead of somehow something is missing with just the torch.
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That's what I'm thinking, should get it done by the end of the year.

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post Aug 9 2010, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Aug 6 2010, 08:18 PM)
As Roy Evans once said to "somebody" here  tongue.gif

Everyone wants and thinks that they can be a manager, but Roy Evans was the one watching the players train.
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Who could that be? I wonder... whistling.gif

Don't want to say a lot, as Duke covered most of the points. I do have to add though, I completely agree with the point made about doing some research and read up a little. One good example that I saw, if a girl can spend a couple of hours at wikipedia, reading about Liverpool, then turned to me and say, "now I know what it meant to be a Liverpool fan, the passion, the love, everything about the club. I am not a fan, I just watch football with you guys. I am not qualified to call myself a fan."

If a girl can read up and say that, adamant that she is not a fan because she is not as passionate as us, then what does that say about us "fans"? I would really hope that the younger fans here, when prompted on some important points on the club, would not reply with stupid things such as "I need not know everything to be a fan", if that's the case, please call yourself a follower, not a fan or supporter, you're just merely follow football and the club.

On The S*N and Hillsborough, those who know me would know how I feel about it, don't want to repeat and sound like a broken record, but, it is an important part of the club, it is something that we all should know. It is so important to the club, when the crest was redesigned in 1992 to celebrate the centenary, the Eternal flames were added to the crest, to remember the 96 that perished.

On another issue of "The Kop". If you must use a nickname, we are known as The Reds, not Kop. Like what Duke said, The Kop, came from the word Spion Kop which in Afrikaans language means vantage point. It was adapted to the Kop stand after the Boer War in South Africa, where a lot of scousers were sent to fight. Go look up the lyrics of "Poor Scouser Tommy" and you'd understand it a little more.

Finally, for those who don't know, this is a 4 days after Hillsborough, where the semifinal of the then European Cup, was stopped at the 6th minute, for a minute's silence where the 2 sets of fans sang "You'll Never Walk Alone". Brings tears to my eyes everytime I see this.


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post Aug 9 2010, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Aug 9 2010, 10:32 AM)
To each his own then. You will find that for most of the regulars (or ex-regulars) here, Liverpool is not merely a football team that one supports. Many are, as Duke says fans of the fans. Almost all treasure the principles once embodied by the club. YNWA is not merely an empty, convenient marketing statement.

Honestly, what's so great about eleven men chasing down a small ball out on a grass pitch anyways. And why would 7 sane persons be sitting on the sidelines hoping to get a chance to replace one of the eleven? whistling.gif

Personally, I think buying merchandise and replica jerseys is not an indication of a fan. A fan cares about the club and its wellbeings. It is not about how many jerseys or scarves you own, it is about the kinship you fell with the rest of the fans.

Also, for me there is a distinction between a fan and a follower. Having lived in Manchester many many moons ago, i was surrounded by City fans. Going to their games was an eye opener - the club was down in the dumps, yet their fans remained loyal. I follow their games still, and seeing them win does in a way make me happy. But i care not what really happens to their club. If they were to get relegated again (which is kinda impossible now!) I'd probably feel be a bit upset. But come morning, it'll probably be just another headline.

HOWEVER, if Liverpool were to get relegated I would be DEVASTATED. Mere rumours of Liverpool changing hands gets me emotional nowadays.

Liverpool fan. Man City follower.

P.S. Or perhaps super lalang whistling.gif
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What happened to Stockport (or was it Scunthorpe United? brows.gif )

I couldn't agree more on this point. To me, buying a replica shirt merely means you can afford to, it means nothing. Really, to me, a proper fan is one that would NOT buy the club's replica shirt as a stand against something. Monstar, as Duke pointed out is boycotting ALL official club merchandise till the 2 yanks feck off, so am I, as tempted as I to go out and buy a scarf (speak of which, it's high time I buy a few more scarfs, I think maddie has one of mine too whistling.gif ), a cap or a shirt, I am not going to spend a single cent on official club merchandise as it will only enriched the yanks.
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Aug 9 2010, 10:49 AM)
Your scarf went to Shanghai with me earlier this year. Much to the chagrin of my missus, I borrowed it to a really really cute girl in the tour who was from my hometown - she did not really pack any winter clothes.

I'd need to check with me parents if she's returned it nod.gif
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Looks like you took a leaf out of me book in giving the scarf to a really raelly cute girl... nod.gif brows.gif

No worries mate, I have lost count of the number of scarfs that I have given out... There are a few who came from UK, in me hand for a couple of hours before giving it out again... rclxub.gif
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post Aug 9 2010, 10:57 AM

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Oh yeah, just to add, Anfield is not the only stadium with a kop stand, a lot of stadiums in England hae a kop stand. It's just that our's is the most famous one.
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QUOTE(vreis @ Aug 9 2010, 11:19 AM)
Wait, either Maddie's a gal or u are... whistling.gif
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post Aug 10 2010, 02:11 PM

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For me, the big difference between glory hunter and a fan (proper or otherwise) or someone who calls themselves fan, is that a glory hunter would not want to know anything else about the club. Other than the result, or who scores. I call these people football followers, rather than fans. Because they would not careless if the manager is a monkey, or that the club has glorious history or went through bad times, or had tragedy such as Hillsborough, Heysel, Munich and others. These things don't matter to them, heck they might not even know the squad properly, would happily quote news from The S*N, or thinks that 2 losses and the club is going to get relegated, or that if we are behind in a game, they should turn off the TV. However, because they own clubs strips, they would call themselves a proper fan. To each it's own, but I have no respect towards people like that. It is fair that you don't want to find out about the club, but please refrain from calling others who want to know or those who know names, just because they want to know and for whatever reason, you feel that that is not a mark of a real fan, then you should carry on your way. No point arguing with people like you, because you'd reel out the "I don't care about the history, I don't need to know about the club, I just love the team / club, eventhough we are not winning", then can you please tell me, what about the club that you love then? The results on the field? Or beatiful crest? The beautiful brand of football we play? Or the fact that Torres is a good looking bloke?

As mentioned before, in these days of internet, everything can be found on the net, if you spend half an hour looking at wikipedia, you'd know enough about the club to appreciate it more. I can't for the life of me fathom how can someone claimed to love / like something but would not want to know more about it. It's the same, if you like a girl, you'd want to know more about her, what she's like, what is her favourite food and all that. If you don't, how can you like her? Maybe you just want to feel a sense of belonging, by posting here, but a afraid of being branded an ignorant fan, or is lazy to find out. To me, you give ALL Liverpool fans a bad name. Oh yeah, if you don't know, Liverpool fans are widely known as the MOST knowledgeable fans and one who'd appreciate good football.

So, please do yourself and us a favour, if you are merely a Liverpool follower, don't come out with moronic statements, because I do see you posting transfer news, wich means you are selective about what you want to know, rather than not wanting to know things. So pleaes do what you do and not stop others from wanting to learn.
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QUOTE(triple02 @ Aug 10 2010, 03:38 PM)
Started supporting Liverpool after the 95 FA CUP finals lost to Man Utd...I remember Liverpool donned the green and white away jersey styled by Giorgio Armani. I adored Stan Collymore more than Robbie Fowler or Macca. Apologise for the blast from the past. cant help to be emotional with all the ramblings in this thread.
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I think that was the 96 / 97 season. That was a team that was scoring freely, played without any fear, apart from dodgy backline and keeper of course whistling.gif
That was the spiceboys era, also the last of the bootroom boys who became manager, imagine if we have similar flair or if they have the defense and tactical guile like now then, we'd be talking about number 25 now!
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QUOTE(-nana- @ Aug 10 2010, 05:38 PM)
i've always wanted to have some good serious discussions on football esp those concerning liverpool be it past or current issues but never had the chance to have them with my circle of friends as they are not that much into football as i am.. myself started watching football a little during the year 96 and 97 and really got into it during the start of 97 season. still rmb having liverpool magazines back then and used to like karl heinz riedle beacuse of his name. seem to find it unique lol. and the keeper arphexad, used to hate him lots ! anyways, where do u guys usually hangout for match screening ?
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Then you must remember the legend that is Sean "I'm faster than Michael Owen" Dundee!
Or the real legend that is Erik Meijer...
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QUOTE(rushmode @ Aug 10 2010, 05:55 PM)
dazed look on igor biscan when he scored..
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Then go look up the Liverpool Man United game in 1992, Neil Ruddock scored the equaliser for us in a very entertaining 3 - 3 draw. The look on his face is priceless. thumbup.gif
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post Aug 11 2010, 11:17 AM

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Ah, how I relish the good old days where debates were heated and went on for days, and ended up with posters being (unfairly) banned. whistling.gif

Perhaps I was being a little too harsh there, the thing is that it pains me not when fans do not know about the club, no one will know everything there is to know. The thing that gets me is that many who claimed that there is absolutely no need to know anything about the team they are watching. No one is questioning the passion when it comes to supporting the team or watching them play, but one would hope that perhaps if they know a little more about the club, they would understand the passion about it a little more, to understand why certain things are done certain way, and why certain other things are a big no no.
A very good example would be the rivalry between Liverpool & Manchester goes far deeper than on the football pitch, I will not provide a link, but if you want, you could go and google it and read up about it if you want. Another thing is you have to uncerstand the city of Liverpool to understand the passion, the togetherness and why red fans around the world look out for each other and there are countless stories on the net about how red fans helped each other, without knowing the person. All these are from the "You'll Never Walk Alone" spirit the most fans held dear to heart. Of course, you don't have to do it, it doesn't make you a lesser supporter or follower, it just make you different from most. I suppose there's always an exception to the rule, wherever we go. So if there are those who don't want to read up or know more about the club, so be it, you can very well skip the postings the was put up by the likes of Duke, maddie, Vreis, Fyrekat (when he comes in) and a lot more whom I've forgotten, it's been that long. Just skip that and cotinue with your oneliner and / or cut and paste transfer news or guess works about the possible line ups.

I skip most of these postings anyway, as I can find them elsewhere online. The reason I come to a forum, this forum in particular is to engage in interesting discussion about all things Liverpool, which include the history and other interesting stories, and hopefully I will learn something from these
discussion as well.

Like someone said, to each his own, so just like how I skip those copy & paste transfer news, you're welcome to skip any postings of mine. In fact, maybe you should make a complain to some of the mods that I abuse you and ask them to ban me (this time I think it'll be permanently brows.gif ).


On ownership issues, I am with maddie on this. Out of the blue there are 5 (4 now after Sahara Group pulled out) "interested" to buy the club? Wow, a while back, we couldn't talk someone into even look into it. I am taking this with a bag of salt. Whatever it is, I read somewhere that if no deal go through by 6 October, the banks could force sell the club and it could well being owned by the government (Maddie, need you expert input here, kindly explain how can this be as I am not familiar with this). Looks like it is high time to get meself register with ShareLiverpool, and then I could come in and tell people off as I would be ONE OF the owners! Unless of course one of you owns more share than me, then I shall keep me gob shut sweat.gif

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