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post Aug 31 2010, 01:46 AM

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QUOTE(kentang_peranchis @ Aug 31 2010, 01:04 AM)
i write in dis forum is never to criticize or degrade android users. also, like u to share so others readers will not make de same mistake like many of my customers who bought android machines did. there are many times my staff and even myself was subjected to scoldings/curses by customers who chose android phones, especially desire.
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The point is, many Android users are just happy with what they have. Just because you are against it doesn't mean you're representing the whole entire HP users in the world. You have very distinct set of customers who like to scold you for selling them HTC Desire or just don't know how to use it. But yeah, you have no freaking proof biggrin.gif

QUOTE(kentang_peranchis @ Aug 31 2010, 01:04 AM)
never did i say androiders are idiots or stupid. icon_rolleyes.gif  only mention dat apple engineers/developers are much more smarter. perhaps its bcos of steve jobs vision.  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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I fail to understand what's so great about the "vision" you've been talking. But I just remember a few posts ago you just got pwned by an apple developer by your complete misunderstanding on the technology. smile.gif

There's no clear cut answer that whether Apple's vision or Google's vision is better. There are just running different models (one being centralized, and stricter control on the apps and OS, one being more Open, more developers friendly). By saying Steve Jobs "vision" is better is just your preference

QUOTE(kentang_peranchis @ Aug 31 2010, 01:04 AM)
de only reason android machines had tried to go mainstream is bcos manufacturers like htc, moto, se had no choice if they wanna competeexploding touchscreen mkt, which of cos, was created by apple. so they use android in their best machines e.g. bigger screens, highest megapix, hd recording, etc.

they have no better alternatives. winmo, symbian is too dated and old, nobody supports webOS. and...steve jobs ain't going to give out de jewel iOS to others.
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Correction: Apple did not create the touchscreen nor the touchscreen market.

QUOTE(kentang_peranchis @ Aug 31 2010, 01:04 AM)
so with heavy advertising, customers are thinking they have iphone alternative. unfortunately soon after customers discover the severe crippling weakness (ady mentioned many obvious times) of android system, i'm sure they will be desperate to wait until their telcos contract finish to dump off de phone. and then, u will see de dreadful impact on android sales. rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

lastly, being a nerd/geek is not meant as an insult. remember bill gates is also a geek...so there is no shame in being one. doh.gif  doh.gif
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Again... there is no point in your argument. I did not say Nerd/Geek is an insult, but you just can't generalize it because you think so. What is the "severe crippling weakness" that you're talking about? If you want to prove something, at least prove it with something that can convince others, not your weak arguments like "better, more natural touchscreen" without a concrete example. We are looking for good discussion here, not fanboyish remarks smile.gif

kentang_peranchis, we welcome you as long as you're posting in a constructive ways, not misleading others by making baseless points.

This post has been edited by samurai1337: Aug 31 2010, 02:07 AM
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post Aug 31 2010, 02:12 AM

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No!! kentang =( ur making me hate more and more about my iphone =(
too bad i dont have sufficient money to change to desire ...
trade in my iphone still have to top up alot sigh ..

android ftw!!
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QUOTE(Andrew Lim @ Jul 14 2010, 12:54 PM)
The amount of money you pay for an iPhone, you might regret once you realize how un-customizable it is.

And if you like Linux, forget about the iPhone. You will have a hell of a time transferring files because iPhones need iTunes installed on a machine before it can transfer anything. Whereas Android phones come with SDCards which are just detected as normal USB disks.

The only real advantage of the iPhone is it's huge app store and generally better-quality apps.
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After rooting of Android, what are the other customisation besides the appearance on screen ?
I am not iPhone and not Android users, but currently i am looking forward Nokia N8 (Symbian^3), SE X10 and HTC Desire.
Any advices to my decision.
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Strange, only kentang still believe iphone is the best smartphone. While the rest here give more mature and logic view/opinion :-)
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QUOTE(epool86 @ Aug 31 2010, 04:41 PM)
Strange, only kentang still believe iphone is the best smartphone. While the rest here give more mature and logic view/opinion :-)
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Kentang is Mr.Steve Job (Malaysia Version) la......

We all stupid, coz we must be taught how 2 hold our sexy phone in sexy poses with our hands..

We all stupid, coz we must not customized our homescreen.

Therefore, if you must, go Apple and be smarter than all of us then.

We rather stay stupid then you being ignorant.
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QUOTE(kentang_peranchis @ Aug 31 2010, 01:04 AM)
......i write in dis forum is never to criticize or degrade android users. also, like u to share so others readers will not make de same mistake like many of my customers who bought android machines did. there are many times my staff and even myself was subjected to scoldings/curses by customers who chose android phones, especially desire.........
Fries, welcome back. I missed you actually... Reading more and more of your replies make me wonder what are you trying to say all the time.

Anyway, do you really sell phones?

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QUOTE(kentang_peranchis @ Aug 31 2010, 01:04 AM)
i write in dis forum is never to criticize or degrade android users. also, like u to share so others readers will not make de same mistake like many of my customers who bought android machines did. there are many times my staff and even myself was subjected to scoldings/curses by customers who chose android phones, especially desire.

never did i say androiders are idiots or stupid. icon_rolleyes.gif  only mention dat apple engineers/developers are much more smarter. perhaps its bcos of steve jobs vision.  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

de only reason android machines had tried to go mainstream is bcos manufacturers like htc, moto, se had no choice if they wanna compete in exploding touchscreen mkt, which of cos, was created by apple. so they use android in their best machines e.g. bigger screens, highest megapix, hd recording, etc.

they have no better alternatives. winmo, symbian is too dated and old, nobody supports webOS. and...steve jobs ain't going to give out de jewel iOS to others.

so with heavy advertising, customers are thinking they have iphone alternative. unfortunately soon after customers discover the severe crippling weakness (ady mentioned many obvious times) of android system, i'm sure they will be desperate to wait until their telcos contract finish to dump off de phone. and then, u will see de dreadful impact on android sales. rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

lastly, being a nerd/geek is not meant as an insult. remember bill gates is also a geek...so there is no shame in being one. doh.gif  doh.gif
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What's Steve Jobs vision btw ?

And please stop your baseless point that Apple created touch screen. This will only show that you're nothing but an idiot that bark like Steve Jobs' dog. History of touch screen just FYI !! Developed on 1971 and first touch screen on 1974 but Apple founded on 1976. So Steve Jobs created touch screen ? laugh.gif

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In 1971, the first "touch sensor" was developed by Doctor Sam Hurst (founder of Elographics) while he was an instructor at the University of Kentucky. This sensor called the "Elograph" was patented by The University of Kentucky Research Foundation. The "Elograph" was not transparent like modern touch screens, however, it was a significant milestone in touch screen technology. In 1974, the first true touch screen incorporating a transparent surface was developed by Sam Hurst and Elographics. In 1977, Elographics developed and patented five-wire resistive technology, the most popular touch screen technology in use today. [5] Touchscreens first gained some visibility with the invention of the computer-assisted learning terminal, which came out in 1975 as part of the PLATO project. Touchscreens have subsequently become familiar in everyday life. Companies use touch screens for kiosk systems in retail and tourist settings, point of sale systems, ATMs, and PDAs, where a stylus is sometimes used to manipulate the GUI and to enter data. The popularity of smart phones, PDAs, portable game consoles and many types of information appliances is driving the demand for, and acceptance of, touchscreens.
From 1979–1985, the Fairlight CMI (and Fairlight CMI IIx) was a high-end musical sampling and re-synthesis workstation that utilized light pen technology, with which the user could allocate and manipulate sample and synthesis data, as well as access different menus within its OS by touching the screen with the light pen. The later Fairlight series III models used a graphics tablet in place of the light pen.
The HP-150 from 1983 was one of the world's earliest commercial touchscreen computer. It did not have a touchscreen in the strict sense; instead, it had a 9" Sony Cathode Ray Tube (CRT) surrounded by infrared transmitters and receivers, which detected the position of any non-transparent object on the screen.
Until recently, most consumer touchscreens could only sense one point of contact at a time, and few have had the capability to sense how hard one is touching. This is starting to change with the commercialization of multi-touch technology.
Touchscreens are popular in heavy industry, as well as museum displays or room automation, where keyboard and mouse systems do not allow a satisfactory, intuitive, rapid, or accurate interaction by the user with the display's content.
Historically, the touchscreen sensor and its accompanying controller-based firmware have been made available by a wide array of after-market system integrators, and not by display, chip, or motherboard manufacturers. Display manufacturers and chip manufacturers worldwide have acknowledged the trend toward acceptance of touchscreens as a highly desirable user interface component and have begun to integrate touchscreen functionality into the fundamental design of their products.


Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen]

Add on : Neither multi touch was created by Apple.

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Multi-touch technology began in 1982, when the University of Toronto's Input Research Group developed the first human-input multi-touch system. The system used a frosted-glass panel with a camera placed behind the glass. When a finger or several fingers pressed on the glass, the camera would detect the action as one or more black spots on an otherwise white background, allowing it to be registered as an input. Since the size of a dot was dependent on pressure (how hard the person was pressing on the glass), the system was somewhat pressure-sensitive as well.[5]


Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch

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QUOTE(KTCY @ Aug 31 2010, 11:20 PM)
What's Steve Jobs vision btw ?

And please stop your baseless point that Apple created touch screen. This will only show that you're nothing but an idiot that bark like Steve Jobs' dog. History of touch screen just FYI !! Developed on 1971 and first touch screen on 1974 but Apple founded on 1976. So Steve Jobs created touch screen ? laugh.gif
Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen]

Add on : Neither multi touch was created by Apple.
Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch
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Apple din create touchscreen, of coz I know dat. Did I ever mention dat?

While touchscreen is available, but de market din really take off until apple created de iPhone.
Previously de interface was horrible, but of course, everyone knows what apple did 2 chge dat.

Android is still trying to reach de high level of apple design n engineering; until now , as we all know, there is still a long long way 4 de lil green robot to go b4 it can even match apple.
I think it's androids approach is de main issue, n lack of vision like someone like Steve jobs.
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Again, what is Steve Jobs' vision ? Tell us. Vision like asking others not to hold the phone the way they like ?
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Let's talk about Vision / approach

Apple grabbed the market first, the iOS platform is good (although it wasn't that good at start), there is a real big touch screen that you can use by finger rather than stylus, and it also inherits the popularity Apple has from iPod and MacOS. Throughout these few years - it's been more like evolution for Apple, rather than revolution (i.e., improving on what's already done). 1st gen iPhone was created with lots of hype but little practical use (no 3G, buggy), it's been improved over the different iPhone generations - but they aren't really major changes. Their approach is centralized control of the apps and device

Google is (and have to be) having a different vision because it enters the market late. The approach is, its platform is Open and free for all, it doesn't have strict approval process for developers, and it allows other manufacturers to have Android-powered device. To enter the market Google can't use the same approach as Apple - it has to be different (ever heard of Blue Ocean Strategy?). They can't copy whatever Steve Jobs is doing to gain market segment, but instead have to work together with the pool of developers and other players (HTC, Moto, Samsung). And I think Google is doing well to capitalize on its cloud computing concept as well (good integration with GTalk, Calendar, GMail contacts)

So whose vision is better? Each has its good and bad.

Apple's way definitely introduces less issues as it's simpler to manage, but its restrictive approach means users have to suffer with something behind the curve (look at MMS, Video chat, multi-tasking, they all come in late, and Flash will never come in at all).

Google's way introduces more flexibility for developers, more diversity on devices (caters for users from different budget range), more choices, more up-to-date technology. But on the other hand it also suffers stuffs like potential low quality apps, inferior smartphones brands using Android without proper quality control, and incompatibility across different devices.

That's why I've always insisted that there's no single, absolute answer on which platform is better, whose vision is better... neither is there a need to be so insistent on the choice. The emergence of Android is inevitable, and at the end of the day it only benefits the users because it gives Apple run for its money, it introduces more competition and there are more choices for consumers. So, who cares about the vision? tongue.gif
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Don't waste your time explaining things to him, in the end it will always be apple the best, htc desire sux, android this and that bla bla bla

But I'm always looking forward to his response biggrin.gif
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Oh just shut up kentang...

Save what's left of your dignity...
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Attached File  03.apple.r2.pdf ( 599.78k ) Number of downloads: 7

By keep mentioning 'the vision of Steve Jobs' but unable to elaborate anything futher, i assume Mr.Kentang is referring this? laugh.gif
But seriously, how bad would the 'vision' of google be? You should spend some times to google for it too smile.gif
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QUOTE(samurai1337 @ Sep 1 2010, 12:10 AM)
Let's talk about Vision / approach

Apple grabbed the market first, the iOS platform is good (although it wasn't that good at start), there is a real big touch screen that you can use by finger rather than stylus, and it also inherits the popularity Apple has from iPod and MacOS. Throughout these few years - it's been more like evolution for Apple, rather than revolution (i.e., improving on what's already done). 1st gen iPhone was created with lots of hype but little practical use (no 3G, buggy), it's been improved over the different iPhone generations - but they aren't really major changes. Their approach is centralized control of the apps and device

Google is (and have to be) having a different vision because it enters the market late. The approach is, its platform is Open and free for all, it doesn't have strict approval process for developers, and it allows other manufacturers to have Android-powered device. To enter the market Google can't use the same approach as Apple - it has to be different (ever heard of Blue Ocean Strategy?). They can't copy whatever Steve Jobs is doing to gain market segment, but instead have to work together with the pool of developers and other players (HTC, Moto, Samsung). And I think Google is doing well to capitalize on its cloud computing concept as well (good integration with GTalk, Calendar, GMail contacts)

So whose vision is better? Each has its good and bad.

Apple's way definitely introduces less issues as it's simpler to manage, but its restrictive approach means users have to suffer with something behind the curve (look at MMS, Video chat, multi-tasking, they all come in late, and Flash will never come in at all).

Google's way introduces more flexibility for developers, more diversity on devices (caters for users from different budget range), more choices, more up-to-date technology. But on the other hand it also suffers stuffs like potential low quality apps, inferior smartphones brands using Android without proper quality control, and incompatibility across different devices.

That's why I've always insisted that there's no single, absolute answer on which platform is better, whose vision is better... neither is there a need to be so insistent on the choice. The emergence of Android is inevitable, and at the end of the day it only benefits the users because it gives Apple run for its money, it introduces more competition and there are more choices for consumers. So, who cares about the vision? tongue.gif
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u say dat iphone is evolution rather than revolution requires more thought on ur part . i remember dat i was selling palms (pilot up to tungsten 3 and treos) and winmobs like htc tytn2. only after iphone came into de picture dat there was a market for the normal ppl instead of juz for de nerds/geeks.

iphones, despite all its weakness is still way much superior den de other solutions, and with each major revision, apple redefines de boundary of design elegance and product excellence.
ur thinking is quite limited to say dat while android use different approach like open concept, cloud computing, but only geeks/nerds wld be interested.
for mainstream acceptance, apple must come into de picture. dis has been proven many times over.

indeed, like what i had always insisted, android does has its functions and it serves the needs of nerds/geeks very well. ppl who find much joy in playing with their fones day and night, dey who find orgasmic pleasures in changing various aspects of their fones.
for the rest of de normal population, it's better to use iphone.

and lastly, some androiders wants to ask me what is steve jobs vision? it is all arnd us when u see ppl using ipods on their way to work, during gym; u can see de ppl using iphone, using itunes to buy apps and songs, developers and accessories makers making money from the i-ecosystem.
as for future vision of steve jobs? if i can see it or if he tells me, den i won't be juz a poor handphone seller.

as for vision of android, to be blunt, essentially there's no direction or any viable vision for it. if it's lucky, it'll get to survive a few more years b4 dying out.
for example, i heard firmware 2.2 was released very long ago but only now htc is rolling out for their fones bcoz dey need to rewrite the htc sensible interface again. also, se fones are still running 1.6! blush.gif blush.gif

essentially its going to be short-lived system unless emerging a visionary like steve jobs to steer its direction.





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"iphones, despite all its weakness is still way much superior den de other solutions, and with each major revision, apple redefines de boundary of design elegance and product excellence."
yeah... We know, they are bringing video call in 2010 XD... HAHAHAHA....
btw, what the different between iphone, iphone 3G and iphone 3GS???
Major revision? Redefines the boundary of design elegance and product excellence? Where u advertise that yr phone can do web browsing but can't support flash?(not even flash lite)

"for mainstream acceptance, apple must come into de picture. dis has been proven many times over."
I wonder do, u know the sales volume of android phone and iphone?

"for the rest of de normal population, it's better to use iphone."
Normal people is better to use iphone??? LOL...... u are so kidding me !!!
how do u defined normal or geeks people? I see geeks people using iphone too... ~~Hi android users, u all are not normal people XD~~

about vision of android, u should use watch Google IO 2010 Keynote Day 2.
Vic Gundotra:"if Google did not act, we face a draconian future, a future where one man, one company, one device, one carrier will be our only choice. Thats a future we don't want. So if believe in openness, in choice, in innovation from everyone, welcome to android" XD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY3U2GXhz44

2.2 was announced in 2010 May, and it start available during July.
Btw, I heard that iphone 4 come out long time ago. So where is it ah in Malaysia?? Where is the white iphone 4?? Is there going to have white iPhone or not???


Added on September 1, 2010, 9:04 ambtw, Apple fanboys, remember to watch yr fruit company's big event live with yr iDevices(only) "Apple's Music event 2010 event" here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMl_71dqeR8

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QUOTE(kentang_peranchis @ Sep 1 2010, 08:05 AM)
...u say dat iphone is evolution rather than revolution requires more thought on ur part . i remember dat i was selling palms (pilot up to tungsten 3 and treos) and winmobs like htc tytn2. only after iphone came into de picture dat there was a market for the normal ppl instead of juz for de nerds/geeks.
Fries, as much as I like your nuisance... Can you back up most of your arguments with facts ah?

I kind of having a feeling like most of the forumers here that we are all talking to a small kid only...

Maybe the mod shld start considering banning you dy ~~ rclxms.gif



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QUOTE(chiahau @ Aug 31 2010, 07:56 PM)
Kentang is Mr.Steve Job (Malaysia Version) la......

We all stupid, coz we must be taught how 2 hold our sexy phone in sexy poses with our hands..

We all stupid, coz we must not customized our homescreen.

Therefore, if you must, go Apple and be smarter than all of us then.

We rather stay stupid then you being ignorant.
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In case you didn't notice, he change his avatar recently to a mosaic image of Steve Jobs. Seriously he should join Apple as I really believe he will make a very good marketeer for them. If I were to open a shop selling Apple stuffs I will first recruit him , after all in any biz what count is the bottom line

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why should people care which one is the best, both has its pros and cons, and its up to consumers to decide.. im happy to have more choices, and its good to see iphone getting better as well.. and that is also because of the competition in the market, the emergence of android gave apple the push they needed.. so at the end of the day, we, the consumers are the winners..

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