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mrsmile
post Jan 16 2012, 09:03 PM

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the reason how i come out with this is i have a 1TB internal WD green cavier HDD. but it spoilt in 2 years.

Whereas my Seagate internal HDD 160GB is still good. ands its more than around 2.5 years already

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post Jan 17 2012, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(mrsmile @ Jan 16 2012, 09:03 PM)
the reason how i come out with this is i have a 1TB internal WD green cavier HDD. but it spoilt in 2 years.

Whereas my Seagate internal HDD 160GB is still good. ands its more than around 2.5 years already
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That's all depends on luck, but recently my WDC Carviar Green HDD also has bad sector, and my friend RMA-ed twice his Carviar Black 1TB, it seems their QC is slightly loose (due to demand??)
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post Jan 17 2012, 08:38 AM

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My WD Elements 1TB External Hard Disk just went dead on me after a year plus of usage. sad.gif Time to get another hard disk. Which brand could be trusted? I'm beginning to loose faith in WD hard already
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post Jan 17 2012, 09:55 AM

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like wildwestgoh said, sometimes could be just down to luck. I've used quite a number of hard disks before, and only RMA-ed one so far, which was a Hitachi. Others still working well after a year or two smile.gif

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post Jan 17 2012, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(mrsmile @ Jan 16 2012, 07:21 PM)
Is there such thing as the larger the space of a harddisk, the easier it is to spoil? 
by space i mean the original space that it has when you 1st bought it. Not how much space is left in it
QUOTE(mrsmile @ Jan 16 2012, 09:03 PM)
the reason how i come out with this is i have a 1TB internal WD green cavier HDD. but it spoilt in 2 years.
Whereas my Seagate internal HDD 160GB is still good. ands its more than around 2.5 years already
An IT shopkeeper advised me to use 1Tb rather than 2Tb, coz the latter spoilt easier; I thought, nonsense if that's really the case, then 2Tb and now 3Tb wouldn't be selling well, I thought he just wanna clear his 1Tb hdd stock. But after that, my 2Tb WD Caviar Green was spoilt before 1 year, my friend's 2Tb WD Caviar Green (newer model) spoilt after few days use ... this made me re-examined my thoughts.

Consequently, after reading some online articles, I guess we've taken for granted that modern internal SATA hdd still need good care especially when connected to the PSU. Nowadays, I guess some of us simply connect the power supply rails to multiple internal hdds in our rig. I think but not 100% sure, that bigger sized hdd requires more power, or ampere/current to be precise, to run nicely. 2Tb should have more platters than a 1Tb hdd, or something like that. So, the smaller sized hdd might get away with smaller ampere or lousier PSU, thus could survive longer. But to be safe, we shouldn't use the same power cable/rail with two hardisk or devices, separate them; and don't feel bad about buying a good expensive power supply unit, it's a must in fact. To think of it, why buy expensive mobo, gc, cpu, hdd if the psu is cheapo and could cause all the other expensive components to malfunction?

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- If you notice that one of your hard drives suddenly goes kaput, 99% of the time, it's because the 12 volt rail is running too low on amperage to power it properly. The same goes for CD/DVD drives that suddenly start mass producing coasters. Your 12 volt rail is being taxed so heavily (usually by your new GPU or some similar power hungry device), that your other 12 volt devices are suffering because there aren't enough amps to go around after your massive 8800GTX sucked up all the amps from the 12 v rail! Hard drives are especially vulnerable to death because of amp inadequacy on the 12 volt rail. If they don't get the right amount of amps to write data, then they will most likely cause the HD head to smear the platters and cause irreversible, physical damage to the disk.

- +12v - This is the main rail on your PSU. It powers everything else in your computer. This includes your main processor, its fan, your case fans, hard drives, optical drives (i.e. DVD/CD±RW), add-on cards, your PCI-Express lanes, the GPU, your sound card.... everything else. Your PSU may have one or more +12v rails. All molex (4 pin) connectors run from the 12v rail.

- Rail - Every power supply carries anywhere from 4 to as many as 9 rails. Each rail is rated for a specific voltage, and will always carry that voltage no matter how many devices are connected to it. However, each rail has an AMPERE RATING. The more devices you connect to each rail, the lower the available amperage to the rest of your computer system on that specific rail.
Sos vaccine.

So, nowadays, I'll remind myself to separately connect the power rails to each of my hdd, even tho the extra cables (my psu is modular) blocks the airflow and looks messy. I hope this precautionary step would prolong my hdds lifespan so that they wouldn't prematurely die before their mtbf. We'll see how this goes in .... another year; I'll try to update. (Yeah, I know this is computer common sense, and I did practise it long time ago, but like I said, I took it for granted after a while. sad.gif )
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QUOTE(r2t2 @ Jan 17 2012, 02:41 PM)
An IT shopkeeper advised me to use 1Tb rather than 2Tb, coz the latter spoilt easier; I thought, nonsense if that's really the case, then 2Tb and now 3Tb wouldn't be selling well, I thought he just wanna clear his 1Tb hdd stock.  But after that, my 2Tb WD Caviar Green was spoilt before 1 year, my friend's 2Tb WD Caviar Green (newer model) spoilt after few days use ... this made me re-examined my thoughts. 

Consequently, after reading some online articles, I guess we've taken for granted that modern internal SATA hdd still need good care especially when connected to the PSU.  Nowadays, I guess some of us simply connect the power supply rails to multiple internal hdds in our rig.  I think but not 100% sure, that bigger sized hdd requires more power, or ampere/current to be precise, to run nicely.  2Tb should have more platters than a 1Tb hdd, or something like that.  So, the smaller sized hdd might get away with smaller ampere or lousier PSU, thus could survive longer.  But to be safe, we shouldn't use the same power cable/rail with two hardisk or devices, separate them; and don't feel bad about buying a good expensive power supply unit, it's a must in fact.  To think of it, why buy expensive mobo, gc, cpu, hdd if the psu is cheapo and could cause all the other expensive components to malfunction?

From a forum:-

Sos vaccine.

So, nowadays, I'll remind myself to separately connect the power rails to each of my hdd, even tho the extra cables (my psu is modular) blocks the airflow and looks messy.  I hope this precautionary step would prolong my hdds lifespan so that they wouldn't prematurely die before their mtbf.  We'll see how this goes in .... another year; I'll try to update.  (Yeah, I know this is computer common sense, and I did practise it long time ago, but like I said, I took it for granted after a while.  sad.gif )
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Wow, i have no idea that the ampheres / lack of power might cause the hdd to fail. Anyways about the bigger HDDs failing, i think i have read somewhere that the bigger hdd requires more platter hence its proneness to failure compared to a hdd with lesser platter.

Also, for now, I would stay with a smaller hdd @ 1TB since if the drive dies, you'd lost only 1TB of data compared to 2TB of data.



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post Jan 17 2012, 11:57 PM

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That's why good PSU are very expensive. IF you see high end PSU like Thermaltake ones, theirs have 2 x 12 V+ rails, and each rail channels up to 75A each. Not to mention our supply TNB is quite erratic. I seen my housemate's PSU exploded in smokes, even though the PC and mains are OFF.
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post Jan 18 2012, 09:41 AM

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Buy good PSU, buy good AVR (or UPS) to keep your PC in good shape for long term, even the cheaper Ablerex UPS (has AVR features) can protect your PC against high-peak voltage (at night) and overly low voltage (at day) to keep your system running at its optimal performance.

Don't be too cheap-stake on critical components, for you have to spend much more later.



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Gain some new things today.. that is the 12V rails

One of my reason my hdd's fail might due to i have 5hdd in my desktop... hmmmm......
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Luckily I have a 1TB Samsung HDD on my rig + a Corsair Force 120GB SSD.

The rest are 2 X 1 TB Maxtor Basics (About 3 years old now) and a 1TB WD Passport. All of which are external. I guess this is safer right?

Perhaps when I get another HDD, i'll use a dock instead. Since there is no more space inside of my casing (Silverstone TJ08-E)
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post Jan 19 2012, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(yuyuyu @ Jan 18 2012, 04:55 PM)
Gain some new things today.. that is the 12V rails

One of my reason my hdd's fail might due to i have 5hdd in my desktop... hmmmm......
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Just to be safe, dont power it from the same rail that power your graphics card....
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post Jan 19 2012, 09:58 AM

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I'm wondering if my HDD also having the same problem.

I'm having :
1 X 40GB IDE
1 X 160GB
1 X 500GB
1 X 1TB

My 1TB can't be formatted and I don't know why lol. Already RMA once and still having same problem. Could it be my motherboard couldn't support that much hard disk or it's power problem?
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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jan 19 2012, 09:58 AM)
I'm wondering if my HDD also having the same problem.

I'm having :
1 X 40GB IDE
1 X 160GB
1 X 500GB
1 X 1TB

My 1TB can't be formatted and I don't know why lol. Already RMA once and still having same problem. Could it be my motherboard couldn't support that much hard disk or it's power problem?
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You could try unplugging all the devices that you don't need, leaving only the 1TB to test and a DVD drive to install Windows with. That may test for both power and motherboard problem. If Windows is successfully installed, then it is likely to be a power problem. If it still can't be recognised, then it is likely to be a motherboard problem. Also try testing with different cables, as some of them may be faulty or clogged with dust.

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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jan 19 2012, 09:58 AM)
I'm wondering if my HDD also having the same problem.

I'm having :
1 X 40GB IDE
1 X 160GB
1 X 500GB
1 X 1TB

My 1TB can't be formatted and I don't know why lol. Already RMA once and still having same problem. Could it be my motherboard couldn't support that much hard disk or it's power problem?
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Previously i had:

1 x 40GB IDE Maxtor
1 X 80GB IDE Maxtor
1 X 500GB Seagate
1 X 1TB WD green
1 X 1.5TB WD green

Initially 80 GB IDE like problematic, thought its old so i mirror backup to 1.5TB to use... so left 4 HDD. Then now, the 1.5TB and 1TB acting weird. I already dismantle my pc (since less use after got laptop). Will backup one by one the hdd BEFORE i go for warranty. Already bought 3.5" ext case but waiting hdd price drop not worth buy now sad.gif
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Considering to buy a 3TB external HDD. I saw the price for WD and SG are the same, which is RM610. Is this price much higher compared to before flood? In that case, I might wait for the price to ramp down.
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QUOTE(prescott2006 @ Jan 19 2012, 03:53 PM)
Considering to buy a 3TB external HDD. I saw the price for WD and SG are the same, which is RM610. Is this price much higher compared to before flood? In that case, I might wait for the price to ramp down.
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Yes its a lot higher...Only SSD are not affected.
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QUOTE(SnoWFisH @ Jan 19 2012, 03:54 PM)
Yes its a lot higher...Only SSD are not affected.
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Do you know what is the price for 3TB external before flood? hmm.gif
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I din't really observe 3TB but should be RM300++, since 2TB is only around RM250.
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QUOTE(SnoWFisH @ Jan 19 2012, 04:01 PM)
I din't really observe 3TB but should be RM300++, since 2TB is only around RM250.
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Wow! That is 100% increment. shocking.gif Don't know when will the price goes down. doh.gif

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