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post May 31 2010, 10:02 AM, updated 16y ago

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Mind to share what is you opinion for single girls which over 30 years old. Will you approach these girls?

Most said these girls are left over, normally very passive & very choosy to their partner. Or may be have some problem in their personality. No offense, just share you opinion.

If you are at the age around 30.

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post May 31 2010, 10:09 AM

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why not? will definitely approach if you are a men in 40s or 50s and still single... smile.gif

hey! don't say lah left over, have some respect to the ladies.

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post May 31 2010, 10:10 AM

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don't mind as long as they don't look and act like my mother.
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post May 31 2010, 10:12 AM

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of coz i will..as long as she is slimm, sexy and cun....
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post May 31 2010, 10:14 AM

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If there's something wrong with their personality then don't want loh.
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post May 31 2010, 10:16 AM

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if they have big boobs and hot body... why not?
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post May 31 2010, 10:17 AM

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Respect your mum and sisters, they are not left over.
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post May 31 2010, 10:21 AM

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Seem no body really experience in meeting or dating these girls...
Which only give very general answer

Personally, I meet few of these colleagues, for some although look ok, but seem they have some problem in personality or very choosy. Especially those never had relationship before...

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if like jolin tsai, whynot?
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post May 31 2010, 10:27 AM

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i'm 29 y/o myself, and a feng shui sifu told me that my zodiac (rooster) is match with dragon (5 years elder) so i dun mind mating with a 34 y/o girl if true love exists between us.

hmmm i dun have actual dating experience with 34 y/o ladies at my current age.

QUOTE(jacktai @ May 31 2010, 10:21 AM)
Seem no body really experience in meeting or dating these girls...
Which only give very general answer

Personally, I meet few of these colleagues, for some although look ok, but seem they have some problem in personality or very choosy.
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regarding your case, if all of them are indeed "have some problem in personality" or "very choosy" then if i were you, i would just not bother with them at all.

too much hassle.
too troublesome.
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post May 31 2010, 10:28 AM

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the older of a women, more mature, y not ~ if men are around that age and single also, y not match
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post May 31 2010, 10:30 AM

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they being chosy coz they don want to waste their time experimenting
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post May 31 2010, 10:31 AM

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if she has few houses, profittable business and cars, why not.
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post May 31 2010, 10:31 AM

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they have their issues but much much better than dating young girls who always clingy and not independent
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post May 31 2010, 10:36 AM

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generally, if they are 30+ and still single, maybe they have not met the one they wanted yet. you would be surprised at how much pretty 30+ single girls there are in churches....
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post May 31 2010, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(anakayam @ May 31 2010, 10:30 AM)
they being chosy coz they don want to waste their time experimenting
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not necessarily.
most of the time they are choosy because they are asking for way too much.

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post May 31 2010, 10:48 AM

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Or because they have had enough of men failing them, they focus on careers instead.


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post May 31 2010, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ May 31 2010, 11:37 AM)
not necessarily.
most of the time they are choosy because they are asking for way too much.
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Seem most replier didn't really experience dating/meeting these girls.

Remember most girls at this age probably success in career & money minded, very knowledgeable & experience, or else maybe not good in look or etc.

BTW be in mind girls start aging from age 30's...
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well, they could be divorced.
in my current gf's there is a dragon lady, age 34, she's pretty. she's slim. she has a son. biggrin.gif

she's currently dating a perodua viva salesman.


those "success in career & money minded, very knowledgeable & experience" probably thinks they are very "qualified" and "deserves better" etc.
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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ May 31 2010, 12:09 PM)
well, they could be divorced.
in my current gf's there is a dragon lady, age 34, she's pretty. she's slim. she has a son. biggrin.gif

she's currently dating a perodua viva salesman.
those "success in career & money minded, very knowledgeable & experience" probably thinks they are very "qualified" and "deserves better" etc.
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Probably they will end up like my ex-Company few managers, 35-40, still single.
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post May 31 2010, 12:41 PM

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y not??? most 30+ gal all r hot .. know wat they wan .. n caring ...
now i personally dating a 31 yrs old lady wit 3 children... ^^
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Just do it....
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post May 31 2010, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(impeesa @ May 31 2010, 01:41 PM)
y not??? most 30+ gal all r hot .. know wat they wan .. n caring ...
now i personally dating a 31 yrs old lady wit 3 children... ^^
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Wow.. you impress me.

But I mean those never had relationship before girls, seem troublesome to be get together.
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post May 31 2010, 01:47 PM

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i never date 30+ year old lady so no comment on it.
depend on fate. i don't care much about finding a relationship.
finding or become desperado will end up hurt ownself.

let everything come in naturally. no rush in everything would be better.

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post May 31 2010, 02:26 PM

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Please dont use such harsh words like leftover, some people just never have the fate to meet their loved ones in a life time. Maybe it could happen to you or your children too.

Why not give people a chance and give yourself a chance? If you just wanna approach her to 'mount' her, even then is no loss to you. If you want to get into a serious relationship with her, then dont stereotype her before you even know her.
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QUOTE(Pennywise @ May 31 2010, 02:26 PM)
Please dont use such harsh words like leftover, some people just never have the fate to meet their loved ones in a life time. Maybe it could happen to you or your children too.

Why not give people a chance and give yourself a chance? If you just wanna approach her to 'mount' her, even then is no loss to you. If you want to get into a serious relationship with her, then dont stereotype her before you even know her.
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agreed,

we can't expect anything that might happen in the future.

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post May 31 2010, 03:05 PM

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Can give comments about the issue to be with singl woman over 30+
but dont have to sounds like it must be some problem with them like face problem, high expectation, attidude problem....possible but not compulsory
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Probably most haven't really meet or date this girls.

And really sorry if had offended some of you.
It just open discussion, no offense to other.

BTW think again, gals most valuable time to get bf is during 20-30 years old. 10 years is really a long period, if still never get a bf before, then the problem fall under who?? And sure everyone had their own problem and also their right.
Too bad that the world is cruel, most nice guys with good quality will get attach or married at 30's, and intend to choose younger gals at 25-30.
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Well, one of my sister is more than 30yo.. n yes she is kind of choosy bcoz she is kind of independent girl so she is looking for guy who can match her.. own her own car, travel oversea for holiday at least 1 in a year with her own money, n etcs..

n she is shy too blush.gif


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QUOTE(jacktai @ May 31 2010, 02:41 PM)
Wow.. you impress me.

But I mean those never had relationship before girls, seem troublesome to be get together.
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Y SEEMS TROUBLESOME??? ALL GAL JZ NEED SUM1 TO CARE FOR...
IF U DUN CARE.. HOW TO B HAPPY ??? RITE?
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QUOTE(impeesa @ May 31 2010, 12:41 PM)
y not??? most 30+ gal all r hot .. know wat they wan .. n caring ...
now i personally dating a 31 yrs old lady wit 3 children... ^^
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wow..u impressed me too rclxms.gif

QUOTE(jacktai @ May 31 2010, 03:37 PM)
Probably most haven't really meet or date this girls.

And really sorry if had offended some of you.
It just open discussion, no offense to other.

BTW think again, gals most valuable time to get bf is during 20-30 years old. 10 years is really a long period, if still never get a bf before, then the problem fall under who?? And sure everyone had their own problem and also their right.
Too bad that the world is cruel, most nice guys with good quality will get attach or married at 30's, and intend to choose younger gals at 25-30.
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if you are talking about girls who never get a bf before during that 10yrs ,girls are not at fault sumtimes.it might be guys nowadays are shy dun even dare to approach the girls they like..cannot judge them just becoz they are single in their valuable time..alot of other factors to look at..i find myself admire these girls on the other hand coz they know what they really want in life..have a relationship or not is not a big deal..alot of ppl nowadays coupled up and breaking up or divorce and stuff like that.. what can u say about them???

what can u say to a guy who is at their 30-40 y/o and never had a relationship before??
All this creates a debatable issue here..
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This level of female usually look very elegance & mature. Will definitely go for them as compare to 18 yo which look like a lala.
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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ May 31 2010, 10:27 AM)
i'm 29 y/o myself, and a feng shui sifu told me that my zodiac (rooster) is match with dragon (5 years elder) so i dun mind mating with a 34 y/o girl if true love exists between us.

hmmm i dun have actual dating experience with 34 y/o ladies at my current age.

regarding your case, if all of them are indeed "have some problem in personality" or "very choosy" then if i were you, i would just not bother with them at all.

too much hassle.
too troublesome.
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Trust too much on sifu. If you believe so much on feng shui, then take note that dragon ladies either marry very early or very late. And roosters are auto-quarreling type of people.

So, to younger guys below 30: is she, the 30+ ladies and you, willing to start jie-di lian? I think most ladies above 30 might dismiss younger than her age guys and thus trying eagerly to find a guy around 40's or same age with her. She would be insecure too, younger guys yet to explore with ladies and have higher tendency to dump her for younger girls..

But honestly, if she's unmarried, inexperienced with a guy, shy 30+ lady, introduce to us laugh.gif
Guys should grab the chance to know them instead of letting them (and their limited eggs) go to waste rolleyes.gif

(Tried before with older than me ladies..)

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QUOTE(jacktai @ May 31 2010, 03:37 PM)
Probably most haven't really meet or date this girls.

And really sorry if had offended some of you.
It just open discussion, no offense to other.

BTW think again, gals most valuable time to get bf is during 20-30 years old. 10 years is really a long period, if still never get a bf before, then the problem fall under who?? And sure everyone had their own problem and also their right.
Too bad that the world is cruel, most nice guys with good quality will get attach or married at 30's, and intend to choose younger gals at 25-30.
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I disagreed with you , totally. Just because your shallow experience telling that that were the causes.

My 3rd ex-gf was a single mother with kids, 30+

Things like :
- matured and understand
- very caring
- obsessive of cleanliness
- dress very elegantly
- successful in her career
- can be a real Friend, share of information wealth
- knows what she want, be very precise of it
- support you all the way where it seems appropriate

the list can goes on... much better than chic of 18-25 years old. At the end, due to work etc, I failed to carry on and feels I dun lap her lesser n lesser. So I ended the relationship. We - still talk or sms regularly until now. She's really something. I always hope she will find a better replacement than me.

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definitely YES!! why not??
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nyway, its nt entirely the girl's problem as TS u hav put it.. i think its downright degrading..

because if i am a hot pretty girl i wont want u.. ur thinking is that these girls are having some problems with their attitude, their looks, etc.. bt in actual fact, the reason can be just as simple as they dont think guys can actually provide as much to them.. so they focus on work.. and 10 years is short if u are working..

i would say these are the very desirable woman because they are smart (and i assume TS u will be very afraid of them because they are more knowledgable), they got money (TS, again u feel lost because u cant provide wht they want) their career is much higher then u (as they are usually managers, team leaders, ceo... but TS u will feel low because practically u are jz an executive)...

hahaha... i would say some guys are focusing on their careers and by the time they know it, they are already 30 years old.. whats the difference towards a lady?...

can i say those successful 30 year old man is having problems like attitude, face, etc just because they didnt date before?.. no i cant.. and generally u TS will say no because they focus on their career and they wanna provide more for themselves and the family..

u see the difference o nt?... dun simple label ppl like that.. its UNFAIR..
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its 2010 now, the 21st century.... 30s is like the new 20s now....u r never too old unless u feel u r old inside... besides, many wimin are still hot and attractive in their 30s... they are more mature & more financially able to take care of how they look.
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I have to say, I see those single ladies at big 3 0 are all about moving ahead to marriages, just by taking it easy and not choosy, and most important, knowing what they want and can give. It is that they already know better, run ahead and grab the opportunity.

This are success stories upheld rather than really being viewed impeccable . Bear in mind, to gain in marriage decision and progress requires a minimal 2 years in relationship where man can do that while it is not fair for Women to do that.

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definitely i will
damn love em ... most of them know how to dress well
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QUOTE(jacktai @ May 31 2010, 10:02 AM)
Mind to share what is you opinion for single girls which over 30 years old. Will you approach these girls?

Most said these girls are left over, normally very passive & very choosy to their partner. Or may be have some problem in their personality. No offense, just share you opinion.

If you are at the age around 30.
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You got the wrong thought that girls over 30 years old are left over. They just haven't found the "right" guy yet. icon_rolleyes.gif
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at the end of the day..they r just choosy and judge by face...

majority i would say...

exclude those divorce...or something...i would say most is just choosy...
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QUOTE(happy_gal @ Jul 11 2010, 09:56 AM)
nyway, its nt entirely the girl's problem as TS u hav put it.. i think its downright degrading..

because if i am a hot pretty girl i wont want u.. ur thinking is that these girls are having some problems with their attitude, their looks, etc.. bt in actual fact, the reason can be just as simple as they dont think guys can actually provide as much to them.. so they focus on work.. and 10 years is short if u are working..

i would say these are the very desirable woman because they are smart (and i assume TS u will be very afraid of them because they are more knowledgable), they got money (TS, again u feel lost because u cant provide wht they want)  their career is much higher then u (as they are usually managers, team leaders, ceo... but TS u will feel low because practically u are jz an executive)...

hahaha... i would say some guys are focusing on their careers and by the time they know it, they are already 30 years old.. whats the difference towards a lady?...

can i say those successful 30 year old man is having problems like attitude, face, etc just because they didnt date before?.. no i cant.. and generally u TS will say no because they focus on their career and they wanna provide more for themselves and the family..

u see the difference o nt?... dun simple label ppl like that.. its UNFAIR..
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QUOTE(cypher @ Mar 6 2012, 09:37 AM)
at the end of the day..they r just choosy and judge by face...

majority i would say...

exclude those divorce...or something...i would say most is just choosy...
Because they didn't choose you izzit? rolleyes.gif
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why not? when i was 26 i choose a 32 year old (6 year older) and now she's my wife and mother to my 2 kids for 4 years now!
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wao...many ppl here are either quite judgemental and simply assume things why the girls are still single after 30, or they are thinking with lust in mind...

various factors played here...too many till i lazy to list it all out...but from wad i have seen from my frens, most of them are very insecure...some feels they are not pretty enuf, some are scared the guy is playing them, and there are girls who prefers a guy owning a car or a house or both (they call these guys "very secure and safe")

try to talk to some of the single ladies above 30s...u'd be surprised how nice they are and how they view themselves...

sadly i am not a psychiatrist or doctor..so i can ask them to hv more confidence all of a sudden. all i can do is to listen to their woes and try to cheer them with comforting words...
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If she can buy me a BMW and sponsor me go cheong... why not?
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QUOTE(kaizer3000 @ Mar 6 2012, 02:54 PM)
wao...many ppl here are either quite judgemental and simply assume things why the girls are still single after 30, or they are thinking with lust in mind...

various factors played here...too many till i lazy to list it all out...but from wad i have seen from my frens, most of them are very insecure...some feels they are not pretty enuf, some are scared the guy is playing them, and there are girls who prefers a guy owning a car or a house or both (they call these guys "very secure and safe")

try to talk to some of the single ladies above 30s...u'd be surprised how nice they are and how they view themselves...

sadly i am not a psychiatrist or doctor..so i can ask them to hv more confidence all of a sudden. all i can do is to listen to their woes and try to cheer them with comforting words...
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kinda agree with this...
one of the best part about the older ladies is that they know what they want in life and from their experiences, they are so much more understanding...
this and so much more comes from maturity which most teenage girls do not possess...
if u are matured enough and be on the same wavelength as them, hanging out with them is quite a good time as well as compared to teenage girls...
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QUOTE(jacktai @ May 31 2010, 10:02 AM)
Mind to share what is you opinion for single girls which over 30 years old. Will you approach these girls?

Most said these girls are left over, normally very passive & very choosy to their partner. Or may be have some problem in their personality. No offense, just share you opinion.

If you are at the age around 30.
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Dear TS,

I am in my early 30s and still single.
I dont see myself as being a left over as what you have claim, nor do i have a problematic personality.
I enjoy meeting new friends, and keep in touch regularly with the existing ones.
Travel every year and date every now and then.
Being single could be just didnt want to commit or havent meet the right candidates.

Pls stop generalizing. I could ask u the same on single men over 30s.


Cheers biggrin.gif
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Why not?

If they have attitude problem, just leave them.
If they are richer than you, woohoo, more money to spend together.
If they they are choosy, then just say bye and consider them as an acquaintance. If they're choosy, it's their problem not yours and you can shoot them back if they start whining about how they cannot find guys.

It's no big deal really.





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Walao, girls approach 30 mean they are leftover ? doh.gif
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QUOTE(phenally @ Mar 6 2012, 04:14 PM)
Dear TS,

I am in my early 30s and still single.
I dont see myself as being a left over as what you have claim, nor do i have a problematic personality.
I enjoy meeting new friends, and keep in touch regularly with the existing ones.
Travel every year and date every now and then.
Being single could be just didnt want to commit or havent meet the right candidates.

Pls stop generalizing. I could ask u the same on single men over 30s.
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Are we a 'stock'?

Left over..... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(phenally @ Mar 6 2012, 04:14 PM)
Dear TS,

I am in my early 30s and still single.
I dont see myself as being a left over as what you have claim, nor do i have a problematic personality.
I enjoy meeting new friends, and keep in touch regularly with the existing ones.
Travel every year and date every now and then.
Being single could be just didnt want to commit or havent meet the right candidates.

Pls stop generalizing. I could ask u the same on single men over 30s.
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leftovers?

do understand that some women have higher priority in their career than having a partner when they are in their 20s.

dont stereotype them
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TS approach means for serious relationship rite?

Dpds on individual... some prefer younger age girls, some prefer mature girls.

If me...i prefer younger girls with good attitude and personalities. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(happy_gal @ Jul 11 2010, 09:56 AM)
nyway, its nt entirely the girl's problem as TS u hav put it.. i think its downright degrading..

because if i am a hot pretty girl i wont want u.. ur thinking is that these girls are having some problems with their attitude, their looks, etc.. bt in actual fact, the reason can be just as simple as they dont think guys can actually provide as much to them.. so they focus on work.. and 10 years is short if u are working..

i would say these are the very desirable woman because they are smart (and i assume TS u will be very afraid of them because they are more knowledgable), they got money (TS, again u feel lost because u cant provide wht they want)  their career is much higher then u (as they are usually managers, team leaders, ceo... but TS u will feel low because practically u are jz an executive)...

hahaha... i would say some guys are focusing on their careers and by the time they know it, they are already 30 years old.. whats the difference towards a lady?...

can i say those successful 30 year old man is having problems like attitude, face, etc just because they didnt date before?.. no i cant.. and generally u TS will say no because they focus on their career and they wanna provide more for themselves and the family..

u see the difference o nt?... dun simple label ppl like that.. its UNFAIR..
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I wont go after 30s+ single gal because they are definitely having some problem.
Either too choosy (then i am not qualify), attitude problem (i just cant take it), too independence & smart (difficult to satisfy cause usually they wont someone who is not as smart as them and i am definitely not qualify again) or not that pretty (i cant accept).

I rather go after 30s+ married gal or ppl's gf. Less hassle and easy-come easy-go relationship.

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QUOTE(phenally @ Mar 6 2012, 04:14 PM)
Dear TS,

I am in my early 30s and still single.
I dont see myself as being a left over as what you have claim, nor do i have a problematic personality.
I enjoy meeting new friends, and keep in touch regularly with the existing ones.
Travel every year and date every now and then.
Being single could be just didnt want to commit or havent meet the right candidates.

Pls stop generalizing. I could ask u the same on single men over 30s.
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But somehow i noticed our society changes a lot, relationship getting complicated, more gays and affairs...would it also be one of the reasons why there are so many singles?


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QUOTE(luvimp @ Mar 6 2012, 05:20 PM)
I wont go after 30s+ single gal because they are definitely having some problem.
Either too choosy (then i am not qualify), attitude problem (i just cant take it) or not that pretty (i cant accept).

I rather go after 30s+ married gal or ppl's gf. Less hassle and easy-come easy-go relationship.
If that's your attitude towards relationships, 30s+ single gal also don't want you. rolleyes.gif
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If that's your attitude towards relationships, 30s+ single gal also don't want you.  rolleyes.gif
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I thought we are talking about 2nd relationship?

If you mean you want a steady relationship and getting marry then i see no problem with 30s+ single gal.
Since most probably we as men are also at least 30-40+ ady.
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QUOTE(luvimp @ Mar 6 2012, 05:20 PM)
I wont go after 30s+ single gal because they are definitely having some problem.
Either too choosy (then i am not qualify), attitude problem (i just cant take it) or not that pretty (i cant accept).

I rather go after 30s+ married gal or ppl's gf. Less hassle and easy-come easy-go relationship.
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Come on...really? That explained why FUBU so popular nowadays
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Come on...really? That explained why FUBU so popular nowadays
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FUBU = ??
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Come on...really? That explained why FUBU so popular nowadays
Nothing wrong with that, as long as it's dua-dua sama suka. biggrin.gif
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I am 29, and i'm going after a 31 year old woman.
I like her 'cos she's bubbly, very optimistic, never seen her mad, not materialistic, just want a simple life..... and, she's VERY good looking.

I have never met anyone with a total package like her.
If i get her, imma marry her in the next 2 years or so to secure the deal.
I won't find anyone like that again.

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QUOTE(King83 @ Mar 6 2012, 05:44 PM)
I am 29, and i'm going after a 31 year old woman.
I like her 'cos she's bubbly, very optimistic, never seen her mad, not materialistic, just want a simple life..... and, she's VERY good looking.

I have never met anyone with a total package like her.
If i get her, imma marry her in the next 2 years or so to secure the deal.
I won't find anyone like that again.
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QUOTE(King83 @ Mar 6 2012, 06:44 PM)
I am 29, and i'm going after a 31 year old woman.
I like her 'cos she's bubbly, very optimistic, never seen her mad, not materialistic, just want a simple life..... and, she's VERY good looking.

I have never met anyone with a total package like her.
If i get her, imma marry her in the next 2 years or so to secure the deal.
I won't find anyone like that again.
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QUOTE(@lice~~ @ May 31 2010, 08:14 PM)
Well, one of my sister is more than 30yo.. n yes she is kind of choosy bcoz she is kind of independent girl so she is looking for guy who can match her.. own her own car, travel oversea for holiday at least 1 in a year with her own money, n etcs..

n she is shy too  blush.gif
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Added on March 6, 2012, 7:45 pmidk abt TS perception; but saying above 30s are left over r really labelling that they cant find some one then got to be despos.

Idk where you get such idea; but it really show your immaturity in term of saying others such.

Good luck with finding young chick that think you are handsome but not UNCLE =D

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hmm izzit if reach age of 30...

the chance of "birth defect" getting higher?


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QUOTE(King83 @ Mar 6 2012, 06:44 PM)
I am 29, and i'm going after a 31 year old woman.
I like her 'cos she's bubbly, very optimistic, never seen her mad, not materialistic, just want a simple life..... and, she's VERY good looking.

I have never met anyone with a total package like her.
If i get her, imma marry her in the next 2 years or so to secure the deal.
I won't find anyone like that again.
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japanese gal?

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QUOTE(Terence573 @ Mar 6 2012, 08:51 PM)
hmm izzit if reach age of 30...

the chance of "birth defect" getting higher?


Added on March 6, 2012, 8:53 pm

japanese gal?
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The birth defect is actually related to down syndrome of the child. This risk is higher as women age especially from the age of 30 onwards.
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QUOTE(B1az3 @ Mar 6 2012, 10:22 PM)
The birth defect is actually related to down syndrome of the child. This risk is higher as women age especially from the age of 30 onwards.
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yes tats why...

so its advisable to not exceed 30 years old if wanna give birth.
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QUOTE(Terence573 @ Mar 6 2012, 09:54 PM)
yes tats why...

so its advisable to not exceed 30 years old if wanna give birth.
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If she is a doctor, then why not =)
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QUOTE(Drian @ May 31 2010, 10:14 AM)
If there's something wrong with their personality then don't want loh.
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QUOTE(jacktai @ May 31 2010, 10:21 AM)
Seem no body really experience in meeting or dating these girls...
Which only give very general answer

Personally, I meet few of these colleagues, for some although look ok, but seem they have some problem in personality or very choosy. Especially those never had relationship before...
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What u said is totally correct. they really have problem in personality / choosy... they always think perfect perfect perfect perfect...

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QUOTE(cypher @ Mar 6 2012, 09:37 AM)
at the end of the day..they r just choosy and judge by face...

majority i would say...

exclude those divorce...or something...i would say most is just choosy...
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QUOTE(Terence573 @ Mar 6 2012, 09:54 PM)
yes tats why...

so its advisable to not exceed 30 years old if wanna give birth.
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ya, 30 still can give birth, 35 start difficult already, 40 can say no hope already....

A lot of women don't know this...
Most of the 30 + women without marry have mind problem and choosy, this is the fact and women must accept this problem....

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Most of the 30 + women without marry have mind problem and choosy, this is the fact and women must accept this problem....
Once again, they're not choosy, they just didn't choose you. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Mar 7 2012, 12:52 PM)
Once again, they're not choosy, they just didn't choose you.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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maybe u don't understand.
if they are not choosy, msia man no need find foreign wife. Look at Singapore, the situation is become very worse. Singapore man find that very difficult to accept SG women... That's why no choice they have to find vietnamise wife...

They choose me no choose me, that is not a problem... The general of women over age is choosy .... I am talking about general.
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QUOTE(Mickey C @ Mar 7 2012, 01:06 PM)
maybe u don't understand.
if they are not choosy, msia man no need find foreign wife. Look at Singapore, the situation is become very worse. Singapore man find that very difficult to accept SG women... That's why no choice they have to find vietnamise wife...

They choose me no choose me, that is not a problem... The general of women over age is choosy .... I am talking about general.
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You're putting the all the blame of females?

From the way I see it, a large percentage of guys are choosy as well, wanting just pretty, slim gf, or model-look. Don't even want average-looking females.
Man who wants foreign wife is mostly going for the looks.


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seriously would u choose a hole to enter ?
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there are a few categories of single women over 30s

(1) unattractive ( by men standard) and reserved - if one is both, then abit difficult to meet people.

(2) attractive and reserved (or protective parents) - so never go out much tats y never meet that many people and still single

(3) attractive and has personality - these are normaly ppl with expectations, so nv met the right one yet

(4) attractive and bad attitude - most guys don go out with gals like that regardless of age rite?

so which one is your gal?


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QUOTE(rose6580 @ Mar 7 2012, 01:16 PM)
(4) attractive and bad attitude - most guys don go out with gals like that regardless of age rite?
Wrong. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jacktai @ May 31 2010, 10:02 AM)
Mind to share what is you opinion for single girls which over 30 years old. Will you approach these girls?

Most said these girls are left over, normally very passive & very choosy to their partner. Or may be have some problem in their personality. No offense, just share you opinion.

If you are at the age around 30.
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QUOTE(King83 @ Mar 6 2012, 05:44 PM)
I am 29, and i'm going after a 31 year old woman.
I like her 'cos she's bubbly, very optimistic, never seen her mad, not materialistic, just want a simple life..... and, she's VERY good looking.

I have never met anyone with a total package like her.
If i get her, imma marry her in the next 2 years or so to secure the deal.
I won't find anyone like that again.
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i know of a guy who is like you, are u my friend? tongue.gif

is your gal a divorcee with a 10 yr old son? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(rose6580 @ Mar 7 2012, 01:24 PM)
i know of a guy who is like you,  are u my friend? tongue.gif

is your gal a divorcee with a 10 yr old son? tongue.gif
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rose6580... sounds very familiar name..
hmm...
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QUOTE(liminality @ Mar 7 2012, 01:10 PM)
You're putting the all the blame of females?

From the way I see it, a large percentage of guys are choosy as well, wanting just pretty, slim gf, or model-look. Don't even want average-looking females.
Man who wants foreign wife is mostly going for the looks.
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This is only my opinion. Male and female is not the same, u can't put them into same level. female have age limit, when ur age is getting older and older ur value is drop, u can't give birth anymore. But a male over age, he still can get children. That is the difference. Therefore, female chance to get marry is less, if u don't act fast bcos the age have limit.

Man look for foreign wife simply bcos local girl don't like them don't accept them. Going for the look is very hard to say. Bcos this man using lot of money to buy something, sure this man want to buy good thing.... is very hard to say also... maybe u can ask urself, i have lot of money but i want to buy CRT TV. .. CRT TV is box TV in case u don't know...


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QUOTE(Mickey C @ Mar 7 2012, 01:45 PM)
This is only my opinion. Male and female is not the same, u can't put them into same level. female have age limit, when ur age is getting older and older ur value is drop, u can't give birth anymore. But a male over age, he still can get children. That is the difference. Therefore, female chance to get marry is less, if u don't act fast bcos the age have limit.

Man look for foreign wife simply bcos local girl don't like them don't accept them. Going for the look is very hard to say. Bcos this man using lot of money to buy something, sure this man want to buy good thing.... is very hard to say also... maybe u can ask urself, i have lot of money but i want to buy CRT TV. .. CRT TV is box TV in case u don't know...
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Everyone has an age limit not only female. Women are never a stock , please don't use value or non-value to describe them.To be fair, Both women and men are waiting for their right person. Nothing wrong/ related with the age. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Mickey C @ Mar 7 2012, 01:45 PM)
This is only my opinion. Male and female is not the same, u can't put them into same level. female have age limit, when ur age is getting older and older ur value is drop, u can't give birth anymore. But a male over age, he still can get children. That is the difference. Therefore, female chance to get marry is less, if u don't act fast bcos the age have limit.

Man look for foreign wife simply bcos local girl don't like them don't accept them. Going for the look is very hard to say. Bcos this man using lot of money to buy something, sure this man want to buy good thing.... is very hard to say also... maybe u can ask urself, i have lot of money but i want to buy CRT TV. .. CRT TV is box TV in case u don't know...
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I'm a man n its absolutely wrong to judge women like this! Pls guys.. Be more matured!
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nothing wrong with the 30+ women by herself,
just that by nature, these women would have higher risk in pregnancy..and probably menopause earlier
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QUOTE(Mickey C @ Mar 7 2012, 01:45 PM)
This is only my opinion. Male and female is not the same, u can't put them into same level. female have age limit, when ur age is getting older and older ur value is drop, u can't give birth anymore. But a male over age, he still can get children. That is the difference. Therefore, female chance to get marry is less, if u don't act fast bcos the age have limit.

Man look for foreign wife simply bcos local girl don't like them don't accept them. Going for the look is very hard to say. Bcos this man using lot of money to buy something, sure this man want to buy good thing.... is very hard to say also... maybe u can ask urself, i have lot of money but i want to buy CRT TV. .. CRT TV is box TV in case u don't know...
See, right there is the reason why Asian women are staying single longer. Women want to find the right man. They believe a life partner must be someone special, someone unique, someone who completes them in a way no one else in the world can. They believe that if they're going to spend the rest of their lives with this man, they'd better choose very very carefully.

But if Asian men are willing to buy a wife from Vietnam, that means their thinking is "can cook + can clean + got vagina = good wife". And if they have such low standards for themselves, how could they possibly meet the average Malaysian women's standards? If their entire attitude towards love and marriage is like this, obviously they have nothing in common with more modern and forward-thinking women. So no, I don't think it's right to say Asian women are too choosy. Because from their point of view, Asian men are lousy.


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QUOTE(Mickey C @ Mar 7 2012, 01:45 PM)
This is only my opinion. Male and female is not the same, u can't put them into same level. female have age limit, when ur age is getting older and older ur value is drop, u can't give birth anymore. But a male over age, he still can get children. That is the difference. Therefore, female chance to get marry is less, if u don't act fast bcos the age have limit.

Man look for foreign wife simply bcos local girl don't like them don't accept them. Going for the look is very hard to say. Bcos this man using lot of money to buy something, sure this man want to buy good thing.... is very hard to say also... maybe u can ask urself, i have lot of money but i want to buy CRT TV. .. CRT TV is box TV in case u don't know...
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i`m 27, woman 30+ age nice lo.....

better than `most` 18yr old that dont know what is reality.........



should say point of view between male & female are different..........

if a male get a younger female as partner, he feel esteem...........mom & dad also feel OK,

& normally if female get younger male as partner, she feel ashame 1st.......mom & dad say not OK


Hail to reality

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Maturity is attractive and sexy brows.gif An older woman knows what she wants, and wastes no time for sh*tty drama. She's seen more of life, and is usually more confident and self-assured of who she is. Different from young small chiku college kids who are still trying to figure out what they want.
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QUOTE(ace.princess @ Mar 8 2012, 12:19 AM)
Maturity is attractive and sexy  brows.gif  An older woman knows what she wants, and wastes no time for sh*tty drama. She's seen more of life, and is usually more confident and self-assured of who she is. Different from young small chiku college kids who are still trying to figure out what they want.
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Should end this thread. What's the point? Women are independent...
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QUOTE(the-november @ Mar 7 2012, 02:32 PM)
just because you have a d***, it doesn't mean you don't age.
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TS, what's the point of this thread? To humiliate urself by showing others how irrespective you are to woman just because u weren't chosen by them???

It's time to grow up and face the reality that woman nowadays can be as independent as man and the only thing we don't have is the little bro in ur pants... talking about birth? Pregnancy? Yes, never doubt the fact that as woman age, the chances are lower but what makes u guys think so that u hav a d**k and can be a father anytime u like? I seen many married couples.... hardly could conceive nowadays... even when they're in their 20s... so don't use that as a reason to misjudge us as left overs or rather remainders...




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May all the leftover guys and leftover girls with leftover mindset be the leftover for the rest of their life.

As far as I concern, been rigid and all arrogance won't do any of you any good, whether you're a guy or a girl.
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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Mar 7 2012, 03:19 PM)
See, right there is the reason why Asian women are staying single longer. Women want to find the right man. They believe a life partner must be someone special, someone unique, someone who completes them in a way no one else in the world can. They believe that if they're going to spend the rest of their lives with this man, they'd better choose very very carefully.

But if Asian men are willing to buy a wife from Vietnam, that means their thinking is "can cook + can clean + got vagina = good wife". And if they have such low standards for themselves, how could they possibly meet the average Malaysian women's standards? If their entire attitude towards love and marriage is like this, obviously they have nothing in common with more modern and forward-thinking women. So no, I don't think it's right to say Asian women are too choosy. Because from their point of view, Asian men are lousy.
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That's their problem, not yours.  If they're choosy, then they too must meet the expectations of the men that meet their expectations, so at the end of the day it's all about meeting each others expectations. It's not one way.
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QUOTE(-D- @ Mar 8 2012, 11:03 AM)
May all the leftover guys and leftover girls with leftover mindset be the leftover for the rest of their life.

As far as I concern, been rigid and all arrogance won't do any of you any good, whether you're a guy or a girl.
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Seem this had from sharing/discussion become a debate. Everyone keep protect themselves.

Anyway the fact is, whether guys or ladies. Good stuff always finish fast, those wise people will faster book it before others do.

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QUOTE(conqu3ror @ Mar 10 2012, 12:14 AM)
Sadly most men are lousy, rather have a young pretty wife which listen to him, then to have a mature, older, normal look wife and earn more money but may need to listen & control by her.

Men just a low confident animals
Men do not need to be low confident animals. That's the thing I just don't understand. If you have confidence, if you are willing to approach all kinds of women whether young or old, mature or not, you make yourself available to a much wider range of women. Why limit yourself? rolleyes.gif
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major problem with 30+ is they are nearing child bearing expiry date already.
else for fun only, it is all good.
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I'm currently dating a 34 year old lady. I'm 27 by the way. We've been together for nearly 2 years. Gonna get married early next year.She doesnt even look anywhere near her age while i look older than her. LOL.

When i spoke to my family about it, they were supportive. My dad said, whoever i marry just make sure i take good care of them & do not hurt them. We bought a house together & we have moved in since.
Well, to me, age was only a number. She had certain characteristics that i really fancied. Understanding, reasonable, thrifty & she's a family girl. Things that i couldnt see with my ex-es.
I'm going to marry this lady no matter what, because i want to make her happy. I want to make sure she will live a good life. As long as she is happy, im sure i will.
Bottom line is, when you love someone, age, outlooks & etc is not something to consider about. Its about 2 people sharing the same kinda love, tolerance & understanding. Its a chemistry. Period.


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QUOTE(soulseeker @ Mar 12 2012, 04:01 PM)
I'm currently dating a 34 year old lady. I'm 27 by the way. We've been together for nearly 2 years. Gonna get married early next year.She doesnt even look anywhere near her age while i look older than her. LOL.

When i spoke to my family about it, they were supportive. My dad said, whoever i marry just make sure i take good care of them & do not hurt them. We bought a house together & we have moved in since.
Well, to me, age was only a number. She had certain characteristics that i really fancied. Understanding, reasonable, thrifty & she's a family girl. Things that i couldnt see with my ex-es.
I'm going to marry this lady no matter what, because i want to make her happy. I want to make sure she will live a good life. As long as she is happy, im sure i will.
Bottom line is, when you love someone, age, outlooks & etc is not something to consider about. Its about 2 people sharing the same kinda love, tolerance & understanding. Its a chemistry. Period.
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Good for you. I can't stand guys who tolerate bad/princess attitude from girls .

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QUOTE(Drian @ Mar 12 2012, 04:17 PM)
Good for you. I can't stand guys who tolerate bad/princess attitude from girls .
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QUOTE(soulseeker @ Mar 12 2012, 04:01 PM)
I'm currently dating a 34 year old lady. I'm 27 by the way. We've been together for nearly 2 years. Gonna get married early next year.She doesnt even look anywhere near her age while i look older than her. LOL.

When i spoke to my family about it, they were supportive. My dad said, whoever i marry just make sure i take good care of them & do not hurt them. We bought a house together & we have moved in since.
Well, to me, age was only a number. She had certain characteristics that i really fancied. Understanding, reasonable, thrifty & she's a family girl. Things that i couldnt see with my ex-es.
I'm going to marry this lady no matter what, because i want to make her happy. I want to make sure she will live a good life. As long as she is happy, im sure i will.
Bottom line is, when you love someone, age, outlooks & etc is not something to consider about. Its about 2 people sharing the same kinda love, tolerance & understanding. Its a chemistry. Period.
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that's wonderful !! All the best to you and ur lady !
Hope i have your courage sweat.gif
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that's wonderful !! All the best to you and ur lady !
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QUOTE(Drian @ Mar 12 2012, 04:17 PM)
Good for you. I can't stand guys who tolerate bad/princess attitude from girls .
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QUOTE(soulseeker @ Mar 12 2012, 04:01 PM)
I'm currently dating a 34 year old lady. I'm 27 by the way. We've been together for nearly 2 years. Gonna get married early next year.She doesnt even look anywhere near her age while i look older than her. LOL.

When i spoke to my family about it, they were supportive. My dad said, whoever i marry just make sure i take good care of them & do not hurt them. We bought a house together & we have moved in since.
Well, to me, age was only a number. She had certain characteristics that i really fancied. Understanding, reasonable, thrifty & she's a family girl. Things that i couldnt see with my ex-es.
I'm going to marry this lady no matter what, because i want to make her happy. I want to make sure she will live a good life. As long as she is happy, im sure i will.
Bottom line is, when you love someone, age, outlooks & etc is not something to consider about. Its about 2 people sharing the same kinda love, tolerance & understanding. Its a chemistry. Period.
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hey. glad to know that theres someone who shares the exact same thoughts. each and every part. glad that u have found yourself the one. goodluck and live happily together.
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one of my ex-gf is older than me by 2 years, i was 24 years old back then.

problem? no, until i realize her attitude is no different from princesses.

like what the forumers commented, age is only a figure and what matters is the personality, character and behaviour that you love in her.


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Definitely yes, why not. Single women in their 30's are still very attractive, age is only a number. No offence but I noticed most women who get married early are those who have no confidence and dependent type. They cannot make decision by themselves and always need someone by their side. I mean most not all. They might look good in their 20's but after married they would totally neglect their appearance in the thought that they no longer need to look good to attract the opposite sex.

Most women who get married young look like aunty in their 30's while single women in 30's looks like 20's.
I dont know why but it seems most men and women age faster after married.
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Women into their 30s do not bore very good perception, because like many guys would think such women are either not attractive, not fertile or if they are attractive, they just are too dominating and not approachable. It does makes sense. Most male if given a choice would prefer their gf in their mid 20's or late 20's. Myself, I plan to get married in my early 30's or latest by mid 30's because want to build up career and some passive income stream. So, my target would definitely be someone in their mid or late 20's.

In addition, women age faster than men...So, ideally, for a man...you would want your partner to be at least few years younger than you.


Cheers.
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QUOTE(Binaryteo @ Mar 21 2012, 10:16 AM)
Women into their 30s do not bore very good perception, because like many guys would think such women are either not attractive, not fertile or if they are attractive, they just are too dominating and not approachable. It does makes sense. Most male if given a choice would prefer their gf in their mid 20's or late 20's. Myself, I plan to get married in my early 30's or latest by mid 30's because want to build up career and some passive income stream. So, my target would definitely be someone in their mid or late 20's.

In addition, women age faster than men...So, ideally, for a man...you would want your partner to be at least few years younger than you.
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So you are choosing someone based on appearance instead of her personality and who she is ?
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if the girl is still cun and damn pack with moutains why not?
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QUOTE(phenally @ Mar 21 2012, 10:26 AM)
So you are choosing someone based on appearance instead of her personality and who she is ?
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QUOTE(phenally @ Mar 21 2012, 10:26 AM)
So you are choosing someone based on appearance instead of her personality and who she is ?
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What's wrong with choosing a girl based on appearance AND personality ?

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i have something to say abt you

for now, cfm u will love her

will you love her when she is 40 and you 34?

will you have the same love again when you r 40 and she is 46?

i would say u defnitely regret after 5 yrs

becoz this kind of things will happen













QUOTE(soulseeker @ Mar 12 2012, 04:01 PM)
I'm currently dating a 34 year old lady. I'm 27 by the way. We've been together for nearly 2 years. Gonna get married early next year.She doesnt even look anywhere near her age while i look older than her. LOL.

When i spoke to my family about it, they were supportive. My dad said, whoever i marry just make sure i take good care of them & do not hurt them. We bought a house together & we have moved in since.
Well, to me, age was only a number. She had certain characteristics that i really fancied. Understanding, reasonable, thrifty & she's a family girl. Things that i couldnt see with my ex-es.
I'm going to marry this lady no matter what, because i want to make her happy. I want to make sure she will live a good life. As long as she is happy, im sure i will.
Bottom line is, when you love someone, age, outlooks & etc is not something to consider about. Its about 2 people sharing the same kinda love, tolerance & understanding. Its a chemistry. Period.
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QUOTE(sharulzzz @ Mar 22 2012, 02:35 AM)
i have something to say abt you

for now, cfm u will love her

will you love her when she is 40 and you 34?

will you have the same love again when you r 40 and she is 46?

i would say u defnitely regret after 5 yrs

becoz this kind of things will happen
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Who are you to even say anything about me? Who are you to question me? & the last one, base on what are you saying that i will regret in 5 years?
There's nothing for me to prove to you. Its a pledge you make after you marry a person that you will love him/her till the end. Perhaps, you should ask your parents or yourself (since you gone through some crap after 5Years) before you ask me since i'm yet to hit that age.

Not everybody is the same with you & your wife.

Keep your crappy questions & know it all answers to yourself mate.

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QUOTE(sharulzzz @ Mar 22 2012, 02:35 AM)
i have something to say abt you

for now, cfm u will love her

will you love her when she is 40 and you 34?

will you have the same love again when you r 40 and she is 46?

i would say u defnitely regret after 5 yrs

becoz this kind of things will happen
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u're funny dude, probably a nerd who always following the same formula u got from text book
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well, based on the age difference that you are having right now

you and your wife have 7 yrs diff. and it will not work.

you can criticize me or say everything bad abt me.

i can accept it. i just give my point of view.

my 2 cent view





QUOTE(soulseeker @ Mar 22 2012, 11:35 AM)
Who are you to even say anything about me? Who are you to question me? & the last one, base on what are you saying that i will regret in 5 years?
There's nothing for me to prove to you. Its a pledge you make after you marry a person that you will love him/her till the end. Perhaps, you should ask your parents or yourself (since you gone through some crap after 5Years)  before you ask me since i'm yet to hit that age. 

Not everybody is the same with you & your wife.

Keep your crappy questions & know it all answers to yourself mate.
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well I'm 32 yrs old and my better half is 46 yrs old...hv been together for 6 memorable yrs...i can see she is getting older by the day but my love for her is stronger by the day too...i love her for who she is...i know she is no longer the young lady she used to be but I would like to spend every minutes of my life with her until either one of us "go" first...knowing the possibility of her "going" sooner then me (14 yrs gap) will only make me appreciated us more and spend more time together...I am still wondering how will i do if she left me first...i really cant imagine
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QUOTE(Goodie9730 @ Mar 22 2012, 04:32 PM)
well I'm 32 yrs old and my better half is 46 yrs old...hv been together for 6 memorable yrs...i can see she is getting older by the day but my love for her is stronger by the day too...i love her for who she is...i know she is no longer the young lady she used to be but I would like to spend every minutes of my life with her until either one of us "go" first...knowing the possibility of her "going" sooner then me (14 yrs gap) will only make me appreciated us more and spend more time together...I am still wondering how will i do if she left me first...i really cant imagine
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congrat to you, hope you will enjoy the rest of your life with ur partner.

as a man, i feel that you r the greatest.


QUOTE(Goodie9730 @ Mar 22 2012, 04:32 PM)
well I'm 32 yrs old and my better half is 46 yrs old...hv been together for 6 memorable yrs...i can see she is getting older by the day but my love for her is stronger by the day too...i love her for who she is...i know she is no longer the young lady she used to be but I would like to spend every minutes of my life with her until either one of us "go" first...knowing the possibility of her "going" sooner then me (14 yrs gap) will only make me appreciated us more and spend more time together...I am still wondering how will i do if she left me first...i really cant imagine
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QUOTE(Goodie9730 @ Mar 22 2012, 04:32 PM)
well I'm 32 yrs old and my better half is 46 yrs old...hv been together for 6 memorable yrs...i can see she is getting older by the day but my love for her is stronger by the day too...i love her for who she is...i know she is no longer the young lady she used to be but I would like to spend every minutes of my life with her until either one of us "go" first...knowing the possibility of her "going" sooner then me (14 yrs gap) will only make me appreciated us more and spend more time together...I am still wondering how will i do if she left me first...i really cant imagine
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Good for you bro! That's how its supposed to be. Cheers!


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QUOTE(sharulzzz @ Mar 22 2012, 02:05 PM)
well, based on the age difference that you are having right now

you and your wife have 7 yrs diff. and it will not work.

you can criticize me or say everything bad abt me.

i can accept it. i just give my point of view.

my 2 cent view
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So, 7 years difference would not work? How many years difference should it be for it to work? You are such a hypocrite & you know why i said that.

Keep your 2cents where it belongs.

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QUOTE(cycheah @ Mar 22 2012, 05:39 PM)
they said female live longer than male... however life is hard to predict... all the best smile.gif
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nt true jz tat in the past, the women are younger than the men thus create that illusion in a way...
my doctor frens made me realize this only recently as well...

age is only a number imho
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I agree with the stereotypes that they are unfair. Well we each make choices in life that have an outcome. Some less desirable than others.

Im pretty choosy when it comes to partners and I kind of emphatize when a girl does the same and she gets ridiculed for it. But when you make choices u have to accept that past a certain age u probably won't be able to bear children even if u find a life partner.

That said as long as you re happy with the choices made then live your life accordingly. smile.gif

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QUOTE(Goodie9730 @ Mar 22 2012, 04:32 PM)
well I'm 32 yrs old and my better half is 46 yrs old...hv been together for 6 memorable yrs...i can see she is getting older by the day but my love for her is stronger by the day too...i love her for who she is...i know she is no longer the young lady she used to be but I would like to spend every minutes of my life with her until either one of us "go" first...knowing the possibility of her "going" sooner then me (14 yrs gap) will only make me appreciated us more and spend more time together...I am still wondering how will i do if she left me first...i really cant imagine
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Some people are just brainwashed by the olden male egoistical way of thinking. Rules like guys can't date older girls, guys can't date girls who earn more than they do, guys can't date a girl taller than them ....this is all crap.

But let them continue to think that way so they leave the great women out there for those who can see past this silly mentality.
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Mar 23 2012, 10:28 AM)
Some people are just brainwashed by the olden male egoistical way of thinking. Rules like guys can't date older girls, guys can't date girls who earn more than they do, guys can't date a girl taller than them ....this is all crap.

But let them continue to think that way so they leave the great women out there for those who can see past this silly mentality.
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Is not about brainwash or guys ego thinking. But base on the past trend, women do age faster then men, & guys who will feel very demotivated & get divorce if his wife more rich & more successful then men.

Undeniable women like to compare & demanding, even you are the cream among the guys. But the gf/wife still got something to complain & demand her bf/husband. I believe all bf/husband will agree on these. If you disagree, probably you are women or haven't get a gf/wife.

How come this old thread being dig out again? I believe TS should had get a young gf aldy, after getting so much trouble with older women.
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QUOTE(conqu3ror @ Mar 23 2012, 11:01 AM)
Is not about brainwash or guys ego thinking. But base on the past trend, women do age faster then men, & guys who will feel very demotivated & get divorce if his wife more rich & more successful then men.

Undeniable women like to compare & demanding, even you are the cream among the guys. But the gf/wife still got something to complain & demand her bf/husband. I believe all bf/husband will agree on these. If you disagree, probably you are women or haven't get a gf/wife.

How come this old thread being dig out again? I believe TS should had get a young gf aldy, after getting so much trouble with older women.
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LOL ... ok

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Well, single women approaching or exceeding 30's could be difficult kind.

My own sister exceed 35.
History: Had dated a guy for few yrs when she newly graduated. Dump that guy for cheating on her (borrowed her $ and also date other girl).
Her expectation now: If she were to engage, must be someone earn better than her. She no longer wanna deal with parasites. She is earning over 15K mthly on her permanent job and hav tons of investment that bring her lots of income.
Her preference : stay single instead of bring herself in to relationship headache and financial constraint sharing household income with a man. tongue.gif

My SIL approaching 30s (now 29).
Got her 1st bf recently after claiming that she had tons of guys after her over the last decade.
Her current action: Squeeze her bf like unlimited ATM as that guy working oversea. 1st year dating.. got herself 2 LV handbag, 1 LV wallet, 1 Burberry, 1 Coach, sponsorship to some oversea trips. And recently got RM500K condo (share owner name) and in the process looking out for 2nd cond in PJ.

See... age catching up.. maintenance fee for these women also catching up..


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QUOTE(Goodie9730 @ Mar 22 2012, 04:32 PM)
well I'm 32 yrs old and my better half is 46 yrs old...hv been together for 6 memorable yrs...i can see she is getting older by the day but my love for her is stronger by the day too...i love her for who she is...i know she is no longer the young lady she used to be but I would like to spend every minutes of my life with her until either one of us "go" first...knowing the possibility of her "going" sooner then me (14 yrs gap) will only make me appreciated us more and spend more time together...I am still wondering how will i do if she left me first...i really cant imagine
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Don't be certain who will "go" first.
Women usually tend to live longer than men. Hahahaha...

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QUOTE(cc980024 @ Mar 27 2012, 04:54 PM)
My own sister exceed 35.
History: Had dated a guy for few yrs when she newly graduated. Dump that guy for cheating on her (borrowed her $ and also date other girl).
Her expectation now: If she were to engage, must be someone earn better than her. She no longer wanna deal with parasites.
Tell your sister that these two things are not necessarily related. smile.gif
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30+ singles? they will expect you to marry them...

its not about being desperate. they see that marriage is another step in their life. since most of them feels that they need to get married to get babies

shows that we are eastern smile.gif
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Guys,

Girls approaching 30 and beyond who are not married, they are certainly not leftovers. I have many friends who are not married, still single, dated in and out and already more than 30 years old.

They all have their own careers, house, car and you named it, they have it. And they are quite happy being single too.

Sometimes it's not about being choosy or personal problem that affect them from getting their life partner. It's about choices. They don't want to rush into things.

And I respect them for doing so. Plus, if you put yourself in their shoe, i believe you would do the same thing for yourself.

Hmmm... my two cents... biggrin.gif
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If that's your attitude towards relationships, 30s+ single gal also don't want you.  rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Mickey C @ Mar 7 2012, 01:06 PM)
maybe u don't understand.
if they are not choosy, msia man no need find foreign wife. Look at Singapore, the situation is become very worse. Singapore man find that very difficult to accept SG women... That's why no choice they have to find vietnamise wife...

They choose me no choose me, that is not a problem... The general of women over age is choosy .... I am talking about general.
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The different between men after 30+ (or men with very shallow mind like urself) and women after 30+ is that women become wiser, happier, enjoying life and takes full responsibility in their lives. we dont do whinning and complains about how problematic those men after 30 are.

not only our eggs will expired, your tadpoles oso will. But I dont think we judge with the freshness of your tadpoles lo.

furthermore, if the gals outside is too good for you, please go and upgrade yourself in terms on mindset and ability.
If you have the time sitting here whining amd complaining its just you that pathetically lack with confident and ability.



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QUOTE(cc980024 @ Mar 27 2012, 04:54 PM)
Well, single women approaching or exceeding 30's could be difficult kind.

My own sister exceed 35.
History: Had dated a guy for few yrs when she newly graduated. Dump that guy for cheating on her (borrowed her $ and also date other girl).
Her expectation now: If she were to engage, must be someone earn better than her. She no longer wanna deal with parasites. She is earning over 15K mthly on her permanent job and hav tons of investment that bring her lots of income.
Her preference : stay single instead of bring herself in to relationship headache and financial constraint sharing household income with a man. tongue.gif
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Such a narrow minded wimmin. So in other words, guys who earn more than her are going to let her become parasite?

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post Apr 2 2012, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(ashcrimson @ Mar 27 2012, 11:14 PM)
30+ singles? they will expect you to marry them...

its not about being desperate. they see that marriage is another step in their life. since most of them feels that they need to get married to get babies

shows that we are eastern smile.gif
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hmm.gif
Actually there are getting more and more women thinking marriage is unnecessary.
Especially those who having great life from their own capabilities.
For them, marriage is trouble.. where you were expected to walk the same path your partners did. Everything have to compromise as to compare being single. and worst still .. wife is expected to take up the pain and burden to deliver children who bears the father's name.
So, there are this group of women who prefer to fly free.


Added on April 2, 2012, 1:52 pm
QUOTE(Boldnut @ Apr 1 2012, 12:18 PM)
Such a narrow minded wimmin. So in other words, guys who earn more than her are going to let her become parasite?
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She won't be a parasite. But her idea is.. if now she is staying in semi-D. Her guy should be capable to own a semi-D too. She won't move into condo for him. And she don't take the idea of getting the man move into her semi-D. Practically.. she wants someone on par. And how many single guys around her age can afford that. Those capable guys was already fished by other women decade ago. tongue.gif
In fact, she is not setting high standard for her Mr.Right. She is actually scrapping the idea of getting engage.. telling everyone of us that instead of making her life miserable.. she is off better be alone.

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post Apr 2 2012, 02:20 PM

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this thread still alive

wow!!!!!!


anyway , give my 2 cent view

30+ girl approachable provided she can compromise
give and take only can work

there r a lot of girls that r in 30s say how much they r free and enjoy life
and etc etc etc

but deep inside they r very very lonely, watch movie by themselves
scare to go on date due to a lot of fake guys around.
tapao food from food stall, buy a lot of clothes that keep them updating
anyway good lucks ladies, you will have ur good life till die
hahah
enjoy

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post Apr 2 2012, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(sharulzzz @ Apr 2 2012, 02:20 PM)
this thread still alive

wow!!!!!!
anyway , give my 2 cent view

30+ girl approachable provided she can compromise
give and take only can work

there r  a lot of girls that r in 30s say how much they r free and enjoy life
and etc etc etc

but deep inside they r very very lonely, watch movie by themselves
scare to go on date due to a lot of fake guys around.
tapao food from food stall, buy a lot of clothes that keep them updating
anyway good lucks ladies, you will have ur good life till die
hahah
enjoy
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haih.....
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QUOTE(cc980024 @ Apr 2 2012, 01:44 PM)
She won't be a parasite. But her idea is.. if now she is staying in semi-D. Her guy should be capable to own a semi-D too. She won't move into condo for him. And she don't take the idea of getting the man move into her semi-D. Practically.. she wants someone on par. And how many single guys around her age can afford that. Those capable guys was already fished by other women decade ago. tongue.gif
Sounds like her attitude is "what's his is mine, but what's mine cannot be his." hmm.gif

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QUOTE(jacktai @ May 31 2010, 10:02 AM)
Mind to share what is you opinion for single girls which over 30 years old. Will you approach these girls?

Most said these girls are left over, normally very passive & very choosy to their partner. Or may be have some problem in their personality. No offense, just share you opinion.

If you are at the age around 30.
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If I really love, yest I don't care the age. If I don't love then sorry. Only two choices bro smile.gif
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post Apr 3 2012, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(cc980024 @ Apr 2 2012, 01:44 PM)
hmm.gif
Actually there are getting more and more women thinking marriage is unnecessary.
Especially those who having great life from their own capabilities.
For them, marriage is trouble.. where you were expected to walk the same path your partners did. Everything have to compromise as to compare being single. and worst still .. wife is expected to take up the pain and burden to deliver children who bears the father's name.
So, there are this group of women who prefer to fly free.


Added on April 2, 2012, 1:52 pm
She won't be a parasite. But her idea is.. if now she is staying in semi-D. Her guy should be capable to own a semi-D too. She won't move into condo for him. And she don't take the idea of getting the man move into her semi-D. Practically.. she wants someone on par. And how many single guys around her age can afford that. Those capable guys was already fished by other women decade ago. tongue.gif
In fact, she is not setting high standard for her Mr.Right. She is actually scrapping the idea of getting engage.. telling everyone of us that instead of making her life miserable.. she is off better be alone.
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but simple, with these mentality of being so independent, in next 5 to 10 years.
the society is aged, i have the nation's data.

if you guys think that there will be future, but i don't think so.
but if you say you may have a good life with no restriction or burden, but end up you don't have someone to share around.
logic.

personally, i don't respect old single ladies, you may have a good life but deeply inside you are lying to yourself.
that's not something to be proud of.

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Well I am attracted to older women.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Stefanov @ Apr 3 2012, 11:08 PM)
personally, i don't respect old single ladies, you may have a good life but deeply inside you are lying to yourself.
that's not something to be proud of.
Who the hell gave you the right to disrespect them?? doh.gif

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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Apr 4 2012, 02:32 AM)
Who the hell gave you the right to disrespect them??  doh.gif
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+1

Everyone have their rights to choose their lifestyle and future path.
There is this group of ppl prefer being single hanging around with their single friends.
Not only ladies.. there are plenty of bachelor too. My boss is one of them.
He told me how much he enjoy his weekend reading books quietly, have his weekend coffee sessions with friends without worrying someone waiting at home. And concentrate his work without the needs to rush home daily.
When I asked him what bout festive seasons? He said he enjoy playing with his niece, nephew and have all his siblings back in hometown. And he is free to plan to for his retirement.. enjoy 100% all his retirement fund. Not like majority of us.. have to reserve for kids and all.

These singles love their lifestyle and there is nothing wrong with it.
And please... be neutral.. not only old single ladies... there are old single man too.
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TO ME

no matter single men or single women

they r just lying to themselves

this is i believe

i wonder how they feel when they see a couple enjoy some ice cream session

i wonder how they feel when a coupld taking care of their kids

for me, i love family life and being single is really boring.


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QUOTE(sharulzzz @ Apr 4 2012, 05:39 PM)
TO ME

no matter single men or single women

they r just lying to themselves

this is i believe

i wonder how they feel when they see a couple enjoy some ice cream session

i wonder how they feel when a coupld taking care of their kids

for me, i love family life and being single is really boring.
I don't know what it is about people who are unhappy like to imagine other people are also unhappy. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Apr 4 2012, 06:31 PM)
I don't know what it is about people who are unhappy like to imagine other people are also unhappy.  rolleyes.gif
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its called buthurt bro.
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QUOTE(sharulzzz @ Apr 4 2012, 05:39 PM)
TO ME

no matter single men or single women

they r just lying to themselves

this is i believe

i wonder how they feel when they see a couple enjoy some ice cream session

i wonder how they feel when a coupld taking care of their kids

for me, i love family life and being single is really boring.
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You can't understand how those ppl different from you feel coz you never see things from their angle.

You wonder how they feel seeing couple enjoying ice-cream.
But have you wonder how they feel seeing couple struggle when having different preferences?

You wonder how they feel when seeing couple taking care of their kids.
Well, this even simpler... they feel how much freedom they have with their financial and time.

Not everyone is family oriented, you enjoy being a wife/husband and parents.. that is you. But you couldn't judge them based on yourself.
And don't see this singles are selfish. They just don't commit themselves coz they are not family oriented.

Many of my friends have single sibling , so am I. And most of us agree that their single sibling take cares of parents better than ourselves (the married one). Because they have better financial ability and provide better pocket $ to parents, bring them to vacation (compare ourselves have to reserve $ for the kids). And singles have more extra time to be with parents compare ourselves have to divide our time for spouse, kids and personal time.

 

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