For those in Melaka. Department of Veterinary Melaka is going to organize a Swiftlet Seminar on this coming Saturday 8.30am to 4.30pm. I called them up and asked whether the GAPH seminar that I attended 2 years ago organized by Veterinary Department still valid. They said NO. New Guideline need to attend again . So, die die must attend otherwise can't get license. Is RM250.

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what is the price for AB grade in WM? Here dropped to RM4400/kg this time.

Is it correct that this month the output of bird nest is already drop? Why? Because here in Kota Kinabalu some buyer even consider small volume buying around 5kg. Before now I never hear buyer want anything less the 50 or even 200kg. Is it the supply is now low or they just wish to stock up before next year chinese new year? So what up or should I just keep quiet and do my business? By the way the price they offer also a bit higher then usual for us here.

This post has been edited by mfyapp: Nov 12 2010, 01:41 PM

Just went to KL and found that plastic bird spike is selling for Rm5 @ cheap Japanese outlet ( must be made in China). They even have cat spike if you need any. Come in a few color but then, it's cheap and I bought a few but maybe, I will need them for my agriculture BH later.

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Added on November 16, 2010, 1:11 pmHere, buyers will buy any amount even half a kilo but then, if you have volume, you can get better price for your nests. You may split the nests into grouping A,B and C or just a lump sum called rojak price which the buyer will give you a price base on what he see.

At present, quality A white less feather nest can fetch up to Rm5500 per K.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Nov 16 2010, 01:11 PM

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I attended the Melaka GAHP. The Bandaraya council guy abit LCLY. The tone he spoke as though he is the authority and had forgotten he is a government servant to the rakyat. Keep saying words like saman, tutup, keluarkan burung and yet asked farmers don't blame him... blame the 1GP instead. Everything also jangan marah saya...marah ini (showing the Melaka GP book).
BH in the melaka heritage area will be totally eliminated after 3 years grace period ended 31/12/2013.
Melaka GP has been slightly modified from 1GP to suit the local situations.

This post has been edited by aeiou228: Nov 16 2010, 01:48 PM

Like what I said, the state Govt. has the last say in the matter and so, the swiftlets association should have taken positive and preventive action to solve the matter and try to compromised or find a solution where the present BHs in the sensitive area need not be destroyed. All depend on who is the govt of the day and whether they want to help us or not and most importance of all, are the BH owners all honest and trustworthy.

Like I said, try find a win win way out where we don't need to move and the Local Govt and the raayat are happy. New BH in the area is definitely a no no as it will create more problems and difficulties to solve as the present ones are already in deep shit without having to bear more load in the sinking ship. New biz will surely disagree with me here but then, is is better that we all sink together or at least the present ones saved????

Last year, an influential man told me that the present ones may remain but not the new ones and I just don't know what is meant by new here....New as today or effective from a certain date like 1st.January2010 or later or immediate on the implementation of the GP in the state. As we discuss, many are still building BHs @ town and so what advice shall we give to them. To do or not to do.........this is the Question?

Pray that all is well for the BH owners@ town.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Nov 16 2010, 07:04 PM

From the 1GP, it is crystal clear that the "Rumah Baru" in "Pusat Tumpuan Utaman Aktiviti Bandar (PTUAB) will not be licensed.
The "Sedia Ada" in PTUAB will be given license to operate temporary with the condition the BH MUST BE GAHP compliance until a closure date to be determined later.

Therefore, if one have an existing BH in PTUAB but can't comply with GAHP for some reasons, the BH will not be given license too.

New investor should avoid building new BH in town area at all cost.

Bro, PTUAB is itself argumentative, I believe as how to define the area and who determine which is it or not????? Here, I believe that the state and the local authorities will have a say in the matter and if they spread the area, more will die. Any area may one day be PTUAB and then what........close shop and move again but not the birds.

Here, we have a area called Business Centre and so, it must be PTUAB and there is another area where there are banks, so is it a PTUAB? Anyway, I am lucky and safe as far as PTUAB is concerned. Long ago, I see far and didn't buy my properties at such populated and prime area even though the rental for the GF is high. I always believe that where there is alot of people, there will be trouble no matter how or what.

Thanks Bro as you provided alot of information here and we thank you but we all are concerned.


When your BH is at the location, maybe it's better not to register. If you didn't register, no one know or even care and maybe you get lucky and will be able to stay for longer period. Once that you have admitted that you are having a BH at the said address, there will be no escape and the law will get to you. Put up a big sign " To Let" and hope that no one will notice and pray that you will have only the most afew thousand birds and no more. This way, you may be able to keep your BH secretive and safe and still continue providing sanctuary to swiftlets without anyone knowing. Authorities will believe that the birds are from your neighbouring BHs and when all your neighbouring BHs have been destroyed or closed; it will take more time before the authorities will notice that you are operating a BH in the area as most birds will still remain at the area after all BHs have been closed as we all know that you move, the birds don't.

Above is just a suggestion and not a recommendation for if it doesn't work, I am not to be blame, OK hahahaha.

The bandaraya guy said an example of PTUAB is even a small town with commercial activities with at least a bank branch, school, rumah ibadat, taman is PTUAB.
To me, I would liquidate the BH asap if my gut feeling tells me that my BH is in PTUAB. I don't want to wait till the argument of PTUAB become clearer and clearer. By the time everyone knows the official definition of PTUAB, RM1000 per nest become RM30 per nest liao......

The above is my personal view only.

May be can consider come to thailand. NO authorities problem. All free flow. Better condition i.e. huge bird population with less BH.

That is why Thai always better the Here.

Rangnok,
I did some shallow research some time ago and I recall none of the Asean countries allow foreign ownership of land.
Were there any legislative changes (in Thailand specifically) easing ownership the past 2 years or ownership is achieved the roundabout way.
Thks

As far as I know, the State has the final decision and if you really want to save your BH in a NO NO area, go seek help from anyone like Politicians having connection with state decision making like the MB. The MB with his team has the power in the state and can do amendment in the GP1 to suit the state as he see fit so not all is lost if you try now for later maybe, too late.

Best of Luck to you and you need it.

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Added on November 20, 2010, 10:14 amIn the GP1, under section 4.3.2 a) semua pengusaha menjalani aktiviti perladangan burung walit perlu mengikuti GASP sekali sahaja so what that mean????????????? So, that So and So must be lying when he said NO to you so F*** him!

This post has been edited by West Wing: Nov 20 2010, 10:14 AM

Hello all Sifus,

Need your advice. Conducted 3 bird call tests. Location - Tanjung Malim. Here is the result:

10Nov (Clear Day)
5.30pm = Played Duress sound #1 for 10mins, no bird came at all.
6.45pm = Played Duress sound #2 for 20mins, got around 15birds only.

16Nov (Rainy Day)
6.30pm = played Duress Sound #2, after 1 min around 4 birds. By 2nd min, rain started to pour. Ended bird call test early.

19Nov (Rainy Day).
6.45pm = Very heavy rain in the evening. Waited until rain stops (but still slight drizzle). Played Duress sound#2, within 1 mins got around 100+ circling the sky.

With 3rd test result, is the result good enough to start the BH project?

Has anyone done Bird Call test in the MORNING before - just checking? If not, why must the test be done during the evening?

Does anyone knows a reliable contractor and wood (KD Dark Red Meranti) supplier in Tanjung Malim?

Thanx a lot.

Me thinks we are allowing the PBT to frame the issue here, which we should challenge.
The basis of most of the public complaints are
1)noise
2)smell
3)uninformed fear of some unknown swiftlet borne diseases
How did the authorities did a 'superman' leap to arrive at PTUAB from the above 3 points?
As such we are stuck worrying about how the PTUAB is going to be defined for each PBT geographical jurisdiction!!!
Use of PTUAB is merely a convenient adoption w/o basis.

IMHO all should attend the current roadshows by the authorities and voice your dissent for such artificial construct as PTUAB.
The authorities should stick to the matter ie
1)noise - what level?
2)smell - use of EM or other ammonia reducing methods or better still do research for the industry.
3)disease - educate the public ...here the assoc in conjunction with research facilities should go on a sustained news blitz on this unfounded fear.

Remember towns normally do not die out as such will at some point encroach into your NOW non-PTUAB BH.
As such the use of PTUAB is missing the real issues and unsustainable in the long run.
However if we stick to the basis (ie the above 3 pts) it will remain current for the long haul.

As such IMHO I advocate questioning use of PTUAB as part of the guideline.
This is a creeping definition.
I think the proper term is 'legislative risk' and a most unnecessary one at that.
With a stroke of the pen your BH now falls foul of the definition through no fault of yours nor within your control.
Now anyone game to invest RM500,000 to have your nuts in a vice.??

Another major issue whcih I have with the 1GP is the need to adhere to the building bylaws!!!
Except for shophouse units which are dual usage, standalone are not purpose built for human habitation.
More people are killed from poorly designed cars that burst into flames upon impact than people killed from collapsing BHs.
How many incidents have you heard of collapsing BHs?
I may have heard of 1 where the guy was DIY all the way.
The most we know (from the forum) are falling incidents which in my view are 'accidents'.
Essentially occupational hazard!!

A particular bank is now advocating those RM30K BHs built from plywood!
Anyone know if these are structurally certified? Do these comply with the building bylaws?
What BH will those recipients of the govt grant go for with the RM10K given out?

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Added on November 20, 2010, 10:14 am
In the GP1, under section 4.3.2 a) semua pengusaha menjalani aktiviti perladangan burung walit perlu mengikuti GASP sekali sahaja so what that mean????????????? So, that So and So must be lying when he said NO to you so F*** him!

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2 years ago, 1GP or Melaka GP not even approved by cabinet. According to the officer, the latest GAPH explain the latest Melaka GP guideline. So we need to attend to understand what is the guideline for license application. Although is waste of time and money for me as I attended before, but at least I can see that Melaka government is seriously want to legalize the swiftlet farming.

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Added on November 20, 2010, 10:14 am
In the GP1, under section 4.3.2 a) semua pengusaha menjalani aktiviti perladangan burung walit perlu mengikuti GASP sekali sahaja so what that mean????????????? So, that So and So must be lying when he said NO to you so F*** him!

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2 years ago, 1GP or Melaka GP not even approved by cabinet. According to the officer, the latest GAPH explain the latest Melaka GP guideline. So we need to attend to understand what is the guideline for license application. Although is waste of time and money for me as I attended before, but at least I can see that Melaka government is seriously want to legalize the swiftlet farming.

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As I see it, there is nothing illegal about providing sanctuaries for swifltets but then again, there should be some form of guildlines and standards that all must adhere to so that in future, there shall be no problem facing the industry like sound complaints from the public which infact, I am also a victim of the noise polution .

We, human are all greedy and selfish when come to $$$$$$$$ and only when problem arises like summon served, will run to the Association to seek help. Here, we have similar problem and that the YTP has issued one month notice to more than 10 BH owners to return the building to as original within a month or face a fine up to 25,000 and the Association has taken up the case and things seem OK until today, one BH owner again ran me up to tell me that the bandaran people has just enter his bh as his workers are doing renovation....why do it now and not stay low as advised until the storm is over for good. This storm just died and here you start another crisis.

So, everyone in the trade, be a nice guy and be good and hope all well for all of us.

For "Setia Ada" BH, you do not need to comply with the 50 meter or 100 meters from residential area. So, if your shop lot is close to residential area, by doing it now and register with JPV before the deadline, most likely your BH can get license.

You need to be friend with your neighbor. Most of the time, Majlis only come and check after receive complain.