Syabas kepada PBT Tanjong Malim for being a shinning example to other PBTs. Wish other state government can do the same.

Kedah also has similar guidelines but Tanjong Malim's is simply the best so far.

Uncle West Wing, my BH 24 x 72 x 3 floor opened sound for 5 wks already. I see around 3 birds that comes to my BH almost daily, visiting several times between 6 to 11.30 am but I see no signs of nest. They always stay at the top of the monkey house near to the Entrance Hole and they don't go into the nesting area. In the evening, I get more birds visiting but none of them stay overnight and most of them play at the top of the monkey house too. Once in a blue moon, 1 or 2 will go into the nesting area but will exit in a rather short time.

I have 8 cameras that monitor their movements and visits. The temperature/humidity is ok and no signs of predators. I use Pak Hen's aroma H3N1 and recently I sprayed some bird droppings solution on the floor and walls. The first day when I sprayed the bird droppings solution, many birds came but the number dropped over the next few days. It is getting rather depressing to see no improvement. Can you suggest some tips on how I can improve the situation? I am trying out your suggestion to have some external sound in the nesting area. Currently my external sound goes into the roving area only.

My take is that my external sound seems to be able to attract birds to come, but I am not able to pull them right into the nesting area. Oh, sometimes the birds will play for quite some time in the roving area, but always the top part. My bh has the airwell design.

The 3 birds that you say come daily, does it means it is staying overnight or not? That's very important because once it stays you can be sure it will start making nests when the time comes. Be patient and be happy you already have a couple of 'tenants' in your BH, some might be young birds so it will be a couple months before they reach maturity before mating and start making nests.

As you would have noticed they make nests to nurture their young not to stay in since they can cling onto the nesting planks perfectly fine without needing a nest.

Your external sound configuration might be a problem but can't really tell what's wrong by your description through a forum, and it always take a little time before AF venture deeper into a BH so you claiming birds only playing at top floor is perfectly logical.

I guess u hv cemented wall in ur bh. maybe the cement smell still there. u can use some light lime water to wash the wall and reduce the smell. but at the first place. 5 week is rather short to draw any conclusion. it is a long term investment. ur passion and patient r needed. cheer.

The first nest is the hardest...

going to reinstall the wiring for the Bh as the previous wire was melted. the previous wire was low quality although got 30 cores. half year only. it melted especially the internal tweeter. got to b careful to avoid double works.

If your wires melted even if 30 core I think something is wrong with your wiring.
There are consultants out there that still can't figure out how parallel and series wiring work. There might be a short circuit in your wiring system. Don't just blindly replace the wiring as it is make sure tweeters and their wiring are installed correctly.

I hate to say it but there are still ppl out there who thinks they should wire their tweeters/speakers in series configuration, 1 speaker kaboom the rest of the sound GONE because your circuit is cut off. Here's a guide to basic electrical system for those whom are interested:

Normally even if you use cheap cables it is pretty hard for it to melt because amps don't use a lot of power. A normal BH amplifier might have a 200-300 Watt output power and 30 core cheap cable is enough to withstand the current. So I suggest checking the wiring before blaming it on cheap wire because my 1st BH the consultant use cheap wire I think 20 core only it still lasted 2-3 years before need an overhaul.



http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/seriespa.htm

This post has been edited by northface: Nov 18 2011, 02:17 PM

Never overnight, so, not a single tenant. The behaviour of these 3 swiftlets are rather puzzling. The come in the morning, do a look-look see-see then they leave. And they come a few times in the morning. I am holding out these birds to be "potential" tenants. Perhaps, they are checking out the potential bh to stay when mating/breeding starts. I hope...But they don't check out the nesting area though, only the roving area.

Based upon the previous discussions in the forum, I am experimenting to have external sounds in the nesting area. Today, I introduced new tweeters into the nesting area to bring in some external sounds (about 30% penetration) into the nesting area. Just the 3rd floor for a start. Basically am extending the song for the roving area into the nesting area and the song has 50/50 mix of external/internal sound. If I am doing something really wrong, pls shout!

Provide an accurate plan of your BH as well as the tweeter placements.

Pls see attached files.

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?v8fdk7hs8mjqiqn

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Pls see attached files.




pls indicate the west n north.


2nd floor shouldnt install full length wall at the air well.

if u study the design carefully, without the full length wall v still can manage to block the sunlight.


new bird will be afraid to venture further in n down for the new bh.

[quote=xunji,Nov 18 2011, 09:28 PM]
[quote=sfchung,Nov 18 2011, 08:22 PM]
Pls see attached files.
pls indicate the west n north.
2nd floor shouldnt install full length wall at the air well.

if u study the design carefully, without the full length wall v still can manage to block the sunlight.
new bird will be afraid to venture further in n down for the new bh.

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The staircase side of the bh is facing west. So for the 2nd floor, what is your recommended design for the wall? Block half and the other half remove the drop down partition? Initially the drop down partition was only 2 ft, but because of the light, I have to increase it to around 4.5 ft drop.

What is the price for current bird nest? still stuck at rm3k?

the surrounding of the stand alone pls?

in these case why u putting the dog opening facing the S direction.

did u measure what the flux when u say id bright?

what is the size air well opening, and from the sketch, do u really required such a size?

when design , pay most attention on the incoming, moderate is the key.

when a wide opening, hence u need to do many partition to prevent sunlight n these will also prevent the bird.

for newcomer cctv will help u understand more behaviour n pls do not assume bird will like it.

is fine if without any partition or 60% length full height partition. generous to bird, 2nd floor act as roving area . when they feel save n feel your generous they will automatically stay in. instinct will made them go further down to 1st floor.

kind to them.

As all are awaiting for the 1GP to take effect, why not take the time to ponder and think on how best the 1GP to be enforced by the the local authorities.

What come to my mind are

Although that a lesen must be taken to regulate the industry but how much is the lesen which should be reasonable and do not cause hardship to the raayat as not all BHs are successful and some infact hardly have any nest after afew years.

I would suggest that the agriculture BHs be given 100% waiver in the lesen fee or a minimum token amount as the government encourages the raayat to build BHs @ agriland. As such, incentives and even subsidy be provided for such venture into the agriland....and the least the government can do is provide free lesen to the agriland BHs.

The government must be fair to those in doing BHs@agriland as these projects must be given similar support by the government like other similar industries. I do agreed that the town BHs may cause problems to the local authorities ans as such should be required to pay for some of the costs for regulating the buz @ town but the Agriland BHs must be spare the hardship.

Hope all share my sentiment on the above subject, any other bright idea?

We were informed that the state guidelines will be ready in 2 - 3 month's time. PBT will then adopt them.

I don't have much confidence in getting license from PBT so soon.

WW, your proposal about licensing for agri BH is good but then, this government is going broke, susahlah ini macam free punya barang.

manjung district i pay b4 d license cause was forced, like it or not they mail to yr address as bill and mention is outstanding. so no choice to pay. but for two year liau didnt receive so tak bayar.

any1 have idea how much shrimp farm, Boer farm, chicken farm pay for or is there any license issue?

i agree with ww, agriland should b free.

for town what the fee or category should follow?

Gr Flr is OK

1st flr not really necessary to have false partition in initial stages as the birds are afraid if it is too dark.

2nd flr. having 2 in/out holes to the airwell only serve to obstruct the new birds. Light should not be an issue as new birds are usually afraid of the dark. Just low light is sufficient and is controlled by the position and size of the external in/out hole.

You should only start making partitions and blocking excess light after the birds start staying. Without any partitions, the birds are likely to make nests at the far end, away from the airwell. After they colonise the far ends, partitioning the airwell end will encourage birds to stay closer to the airwell. This partition may not be needed if birds are not bothered or the beams in the building creates sufficient false partitioning.

Might be a good idea to try open a small external in/out hole, 2ft x 1 ft at the end of the BH on the wall adjacent to the existing hole. The external in/out holes ideally should face open land and not heavy foliage.

Placement of tweeters are very important here. Each in/out hole should have eg. 4 tweeters playing a calling sound and another 4 playing the nesting room sound.

There should be no tweeters in the roving area.

Tweeters playing the calling sound , at least 4 at the entrance of each floor, aimed at the roving area.
Tweeters playing the calling sound leading the birds to the rear of the BH, running along the side of the BH, 5-10ft apart.

Your amp must be able to control the loudness of the calling sound at each level of the BH.

Xunji, Tuckfook,

Thanks for your feedback. It gives me some ideas to work on.

My BH is located near a river on swampy land. The taller trees around the bh have been felled. The BH is next(500 - 800 m away) to a sizable and successful competing bh which is a couple of years old and my LMB direction is copying that BH's direction as well. The location itself is within 1 to 2 km of swiftlet central , ie the town. The town is just across the river.

I briefly opened the adjacent hole previously but I found that the birds are entering though one hole and out the other. Perhaps I should reduce the size of the hole (which is easily done as the hole size is regulated by a sliding door. When I don't use that hole , I just slide the door to close off the hole).

This post has been edited by sfchung: Nov 20 2011, 11:08 AM

my bh noticed the same as bird build nest in the dard area and nearby the entrance. the bird sledom explore to the end of the bh. and i noticed less birddrop at the end of the bh. As my ventilation pipe was in L shape. i am thinking to temporary remove the lower part of the ventilation pipe to give some light enter at the end of the bh. anyone can comment this ?