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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club- The Kop Talks 2010, Hodgson in the house!

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post May 5 2010, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 5 2010, 12:46 AM)
It's either
big stadium with fat revenue
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rich boss.

Most of the clubs opt for rich boss nowadays. It's faster and more efficient to get money. Ask and shall be given.

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For the club self sustainable issue, big stadium is a must.

Rich boss is something you can hope for, but cannot be expected everytimes. No doubt, it is a quick solution but cannot forever rely on this.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 5 2010, 12:58 AM)
They are blinded by trophies in the past 15 years.
So, i think it's okay.


Added on May 5, 2010, 12:58 am
Go check the facts.
Man City / Tottenham / Aston Villa had spent more than Liverpool in the past 3-4 years.
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that is what I mean bro, sorry for my english

we are so poor that we cant fight with Aston Villa over Heskey .Personally I think we should go for Michael Johnson at ManCity, I dont know how is the fella doing but his playing style is very similar to Gerrard.Remember Luca Modric case, he was interest to join us but 18Million bid was too hard to resist.
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QUOTE(leaF @ May 5 2010, 12:59 AM)
we sell Arbeloa and Alonso 30M + 6M = 36M

so we get back Aquilani 20M + 18M =38M

that mean the 2 stupid yanks didnt give any fund to Rafa this season
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Sorry, what is the 18m?
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 5 2010, 12:42 AM)
Yes, and but
With the world class players he have, the players capability is not brought up in the pitch, and this season performance and final end result is as good as during Houllier time. No offence.  smile.gif

MU fans can look pass because even AF bought some expensive players that not able to perform, but the team performance and result still rather good in general, the whole team still able to deliver.

5 away wins for the entire season speaks out why the world class players capability is not brought up at all.

There is little point of having world class players if they cannot deliver in the team play.  smile.gif
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Yes we have plenty of world class players. This season, however..injuries has played a huge part in our poor form. Imagine United without Rooney for more than half the season. This season has f***ed us over in terms of injuries. Torres, Gerrard, Agger, Skrtel, Benayoun, Aquilani and Glen Johnson have all been injured for extended periods of time. Thats almost half of our first team right there.

The bottomline is, our squad isn't good enough. When you look at our bench, we have babel, el zhar, ngog and pachecho. Now look at Chelsea's bench. Look at MU's bench. Hell, even City has a better bench than us. Our first team is good enough to defeat any team in the world on our day, even barca. Our subs however, needs to be improved.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 5 2010, 01:04 AM)
Sorry, what is the 18m?
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glen johnson i think
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 5 2010, 01:04 AM)
Sorry, what is the 18m?
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sorry I miss out , Glen Johnson 18M

some source were stating we pay Aquilani installment for 5 years.So where's all the money go?Sponsor and ticket money all went to player salary?It is obvious that Mr Rick Parry and 2 fat yanks playing fool on liverpool supporters
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QUOTE(Something Else @ May 5 2010, 01:06 AM)
Yes we have plenty of world class players. This season, however..injuries has played a huge part in our poor form. Imagine United without Rooney for more than half the season. This season has f***ed us over in terms of injuries. Torres, Gerrard, Agger, Skrtel, Benayoun, Aquilani and Glen Johnson have all been injured for extended periods of time. Thats almost half of our first team right there.

The bottomline is, our squad isn't good enough. When you look at our bench, we have babel, el zhar, ngog and pachecho. Now look at Chelsea's bench. Look at MU's bench. Hell, even City has a better bench than us. Our first team is good enough to defeat any team in the world on our day, even barca. Our subs however, needs to be improved.
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We need to sell Alonso to get money.
We could only sign a half-cacat "world class" player at 20m (pay by installment?).
We don't even have money to buy bench warmers.

Want to attract world class bench warmers?
It's very easy. We need 60-80millions of transfer fund. Increase the wage by 200-300%.
Players like Michael Owen, Tevez would be happy to warm the bench.
See how many "world class" bench warmers at Real Madrid.

P/S Is Peter Crouch a bench warmer at Tottenham?


Added on May 5, 2010, 1:12 am
QUOTE(RyanHo @ May 5 2010, 01:08 AM)
glen johnson i think
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Yeap. I missed that one.
Both Aquilani and Glen Johnson are good players.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: May 5 2010, 09:21 AM
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QUOTE(Something Else @ May 5 2010, 01:06 AM)
Yes we have plenty of world class players. This season, however..injuries has played a huge part in our poor form. Imagine United without Rooney for more than half the season. This season has f***ed us over in terms of injuries. Torres, Gerrard, Agger, Skrtel, Benayoun, Aquilani and Glen Johnson have all been injured for extended periods of time. Thats almost half of our first team right there.

The bottomline is, our squad isn't good enough. When you look at our bench, we have babel, el zhar, ngog and pachecho. Now look at Chelsea's bench. Look at MU's bench. Hell, even City has a better bench than us. Our first team is good enough to defeat any team in the world on our day, even barca. Our subs however, needs to be improved.
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IMO , injuries and referees are the lame excuse for a team failure, I believe every team will encounter this 2 every season.Just looks on our bench most of the season,

Cavialieri-3M if no mistaken
Ayala-youth product from Spain
Kelly-academy product
Babel-11.5M
Ngog-1.5M
Aquilani-20M
Degen-free
Krygiakos-3M
pacheco-youth product from Spain


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QUOTE(leaF @ May 5 2010, 01:18 AM)
IMO , injuries and referees are the lame excuse for a team failure, I believe every team will encounter this 2 every season.Just looks on our bench most of the season,

Cavialieri-3M if no mistaken
Ayala-youth product from Spain
Kelly-academy product
Babel-11.5M
Ngog-1.5M
Aquilani-20M
Degen-free
Krygiakos-3M
pacheco-youth product from Spain
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I think the main reasons are the injuries and inconsistent form of our big names.

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post May 5 2010, 01:24 AM

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next season, rafa will stay and could be our turning point..
this season is excuse cz the team suffered mental distortion after the lose of alonso
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here is more complete one bout our bench

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one more question? Did anyone of you agree the tactics used by Rafa in last 2 games was wrong?He able to shut up Forlan and Aguero most of the time and our game against chelsea, I see a ManU fans said we control the game well before Gerrard give the 'assist'.
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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ May 4 2010, 06:42 PM)
I agree whole-heartedly.
Mourinho only cares about two things, his wage and transfer fees.
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mourinho managed porto to win treble. Porto not a big club.
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QUOTE(gry @ May 5 2010, 04:46 AM)
mourinho managed porto to win treble. Porto not a big club.
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That was before he was special. flex.gif
His head isnt so big back then. Back then, he needs to build rep which he has now. Porto not a big club? Seriously? Even before Mourinho?


Added on May 5, 2010, 5:32 am
QUOTE(nando @ May 4 2010, 09:16 PM)
I'll like to get back to you two if the shock move does happen!  biggrin.gif

A winner is not necessary always one that looks for sure win club/horse/team

sometimes, a winner maybe a person who has the ability to see a potential in a sleeping giant and turn things around...
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Given the extra wage and transfer fees he could turn anything to a winner. wink.gif
And not necessarily Mourinho has your perspective on the subject.

And if im being as arrogant, cocky and whatever name that associates with Mourinho, i wouldnt be going to England just yet since there is still Spain to conquer.

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Food for thought.
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Finance expert predicts bleak Liverpool future

Liverpool's asking price for a takeover may be as much as an inflated £800 million, according to analysis from a leading City expert in football finance.
And David Bick, Chairman of Square 1 Consulting, argues that Liverpool are in urgent need of a "rescue" package rather than a takeover, as the club need to move from their crumbling Anfield to a new stadium, and are in danger of losing star players such as Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard.
Bick is an advisor to Keith Harris, who has been behind two abortive takeover bids for the stricken club in the recent past, and says City sources have informed him that even the reduced price the two American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett might accept, £500 million, is far too high, saying: "Rumours abound of a price being asked from £500 million up to an incredible £800 million."

While Harris is a leading light in the 'Red Knights' group heavily linked with trying to buy out the Glazers at Manchester United, Bick has focused on their North-West rivals and warns of an impending £10 million fee to be imposed by the Royal Bank of Scotland to extend bank-loan facilities for a further six months.

And Bick suggests that, while the club is due to publish and publicise a £35 million profit, there are huge similarities with the recent Manchester United bond issue launched after a similar posting of a putative financial gain.

As part of their bond prospectus, United were able to claim a £48.2 million profit, having sold Cristiano Ronaldo for £80 million while Liverpool sold Xabi Alonso for £35 million to Real Madrid last summer - almost the exact amount Bick believes will be trumpeted as this year's profit.

In a damning indictment of financial affairs and long-standing neglect at Liverpool, Bick writes in an open letter: "Liverpool has potentially reached its most important historic point. The club has now gone 20 years without winning the English League title. It has never won the Premier League. It was drummed out earlier than expected from this year's Champions League and now, as one of the world's biggest clubs, faces the ignominy and reality of failing to qualify for next season's premier European competition.

"To my mind, the people running the club over the last two decades must bear the bulk of the responsibility and the brunt of the criticism. On a recent visit to Anfield to watch my team, West Ham, play like a pub team with a Force 10 hangover, one had only to look at the stadium to see the years of dreadful neglect at first hand. Unbelievably, there are still pillars holding up one roof!

"Whether it comes down to incompetence or thoughtless arrogance at Liverpool, we have seen the club left behind by the other great clubs like Arsenal, Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea and Spurs. They have rebuilt their stadia to high standards and, largely speaking, to capacities that accommodate their substantial fan bases. Yet all Liverpool fans have heard is talk and a string of broken promises.

"The other clubs have built their revenue streams or attracted owners that have given them the wherewithal to compete effectively at the top of the modern game. It seems to me that the Liverpool fans are being treated to a 'product' that is rooted in the 1970s. Sadly, in very recent times, Liverpool has also been owned by people who have said much and delivered little of the stated vision. Replacing them is a very urgent imperative.

"Liverpool claimed in a recent statement that it has 'overseen a significant improvement in the financial performance of the club since 2007'. Well, that's difficult to assess. The management has not published accounts for Kop Football (Holdings) Limited - the main trading company - since the filing for the year to 31 July 2008 and, in that year, the business showed net losses of over £42 million and net interest payments on debt of £35 million not covered at all (let alone adequately) by operating profit - pre-player amortisation and trading - of £25 million.

"Debt remains stubbornly near a reported £240 million, so what profits are produced do not leave much, if anything, for the manager to work with, even if we believe rumours of a £35 million profit for the year that will end this 31 July. In short, Liverpool's financial structure can't work in my opinion and, since the sale of the club in 2007, it was never going to.

"If the manager cannot operate competitively in the transfer market, he has no chance of competing regularly in the top four. We have now seen the first concrete sign of this with the failure to even stay in the top four. Manchester United, a club manfully trying to cope with a similarly onerous financial structure will also, I believe, start to experience similar problems, although their state of decline is nowhere near as advanced as Liverpool's.

"It seems axiomatic to me that Liverpool needs new, responsible owners and new top-flight, football-experienced executive management. It will not be beyond the wit of man, the new well regarded chairman included, to find such a new owner. But first of all, Liverpool needs to stop spinning silly numbers. Rumours abound of a price being asked from £500 million up to an incredible £800 million, the lower of which is, in my view, way over the top for a club in its current condition and by any sensible comparison with Arsenal or Manchester United.

Bick pinpoints the burning issue of a new stadium, a project that has stalled during over three years of American ownership, and says that this can only make any takeover more complicated.

"Financially at least, Liverpool must have a new stadium if it is to have any hope of restoring past glories," he writes. "But the finance for that, and any subsequent financial benefit to owners, must accrue to those who put up the money. In any case, this will not be a conventional acquisition of a football asset - it is more likely now to be a rescue.

"The new owners will need to be people of high calibre. They will need to have access to very large sums of money to build the new stadium, revitalise the management and allow for a well thought-through strengthening of the playing squad."

On the current and much-debated issue of Rafael Benitez's future as Liverpool manager, Bick expresses the pressing need for stability to be restored or else the club could face a doomsday scenario. "Right now, Liverpool is at risk of losing its manager and some of its best players, demoralised by a recent Europa Cup semi-final defeat and a poor season. While no-one is irreplaceable, such an exodus will leave a new owner with an even more difficult task. Therefore, the new chairman of Liverpool needs to act with some swiftness.

"Once decline becomes precipitous, even money may not prevent the decline spiralling into permanency."

Bick's open letter, headed 'Rescuing Liverpool', seen by Soccernet, may well cause shock waves among the Premier League community and not just at Anfield.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...england&cc=5739




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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ May 5 2010, 05:29 AM)
That was before he was special.  flex.gif
His head isnt so big back then. Back then, he needs to build rep which he has now. Porto not a big club? Seriously? Even before Mourinho?


Added on May 5, 2010, 5:32 am
Given the extra wage and transfer fees he could turn anything to a winner. wink.gif
And not necessarily Mourinho has your perspective on the subject.

And if im being as arrogant, cocky and whatever name that associates with Mourinho, i wouldnt be going to England just yet since there is still Spain to conquer.
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the vice versa can also be true...he may have the same perspective that i have....

let see..... laugh.gif

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QUOTE(leaF @ May 5 2010, 01:10 AM)
sorry I miss out , Glen Johnson 18M

some source were stating we pay Aquilani installment for 5 years.So where's all the money go?Sponsor and ticket money all went to player salary?It is obvious that Mr Rick Parry and 2 fat yanks playing fool on liverpool supporters
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Btw, we didn't exactly paid 18m for Johnson...we pay about 10 or 11m only because they still owe us Peter Crouch money. Aquilani also we paid about 17m upfront only...the rest havent pay yet.

Arbeloa not 6m, i think he's being sold for just 2-3m. We too sold Sebastian Leto for another 1-2m.

So its something like :

Sold 30m + 3m + 1m
Bought 11m + 17m

But that leaves another 5-6m missing... blink.gif

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no 800m or any less than 500m = owners stay

owners stay = no money to spend

no money to spend = no new stadia, no addition of world class players

no stadia / players = no silverware, no CL

no silverware, no CL = no $$$, club will fall behind

no $$$, club fall behind = death of a once mighty club

the only thing the club has now or in the future, that will never be gone...

are the fans...

reds all over the world unite... lets buy out the club...
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actually i have been wondering, if MU fans can come out with red knight, how come the pool fans never come out with red liverbird or something?


Added on May 5, 2010, 9:52 amIm sure that with the amount of fans we have, 500m to buy out teh club should be possible. and definitely, if the fans have 500m to buy, the yanks will have to sell. right?

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QUOTE(LucasPSS @ May 5 2010, 09:50 AM)
actually i have been wondering, if MU fans can come out with red knight, how come the pool fans never come out with red liverbird or something?


Added on May 5, 2010, 9:52 amIm sure that with the amount of fans we have, 500m to buy out teh club should be possible. and definitely, if the fans have 500m to buy, the yanks will have to sell. right?
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u do know that our fanz has that right??...much much longer than redknight from m.u rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(Monstar @ May 5 2010, 06:59 AM)
Food for thought.
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Good post, that. Things are so depressing at Liverpool, knowing that the club is crashing to the ground bit by bit. Before we know it we would be the next Pompey. sad.gif Until we get the new owners, the last thing we need is a change of manager. Don't forget that on the pitch Rafa represents for a lot of people. If he leaves, what would the players he brought in like Torres, Mascherano, Reina think (And I suspect that out of faith in Rafa that these players were persuaded to join us.)? More importantly, all the backroom staff were brought in by him - from the first team to the academy - what would they make of should he leaves? The instability in the boardroom level is chaotic enough already and it must not seep into the players or staff.

leaF, yes Aqua's transfer is paid by installments but so as most of the transfers. I'm sure Real Madrid didn't pay upfront all that 30m, regardless of how rich they are.

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