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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 19 2010, 05:23 PM)
I would say, if this always happened, this is down to poor management of players' contract then.
You let the contract run down, then for sure, it will be cut price or buyer has more bargain.
One thing, whenever Liv intend to buy or target certain players, seller party always put a higher price.
Last year nearly 40 million spent (Aqualani 20 mil + Johnson 18.5 mil) on 2 players which one didn't play more than 10 games.
I really doubt 50 or 60 million spent can bring a lot of improvement or challenge the title, if the purchase of players like last year.
Yes, money does play major role to attract good player, but you need to buy wisely and utilise fully and bring best the team out with available resources, including some youngster and fringe players that needed occassionally.
MU, Chelsea, Arsenal doesn't consist superstar throughout. There are a few name that doesn't cost much but can gel into the team effectively.
If you bring those players to Liv or other teams else, they can be as average as well.
It is more about building a team, not only limited to individual players alone issue.
QUOTE(koolspyda @ Apr 19 2010, 05:33 PM)
lets see ;
Malignant Tumuor < Malignant tumors are ambitious. malignant tumors have two goals in life: to survive (offers nothing or benefit except feeding of host) and to conquer new territory.
Hicks & Gillett < American duo is ambitious. The duo too have goals, to search & conquer by buying desperate but famous clubs & to feed of $$$$ from profits of the club & milk the sale of the club.
true, but the Lfc current state of turmoil is also the by product of Hicks & Gillett.
the ironic fact that the term 'sink & swim together' doesn't compute in any way with Hicks & Gillett. Lets see a certain blue club was critiqued like hell when the rich owner bought them the title.
But when they weren't doing as well, he wiped out his own loans to the club (loans to buy $$$ players) to stabilise the club or at least be of some stability to continue challenge for league honours.
'sink & swim together'; some owners we have. it's Business they say. We were completely & utterly shafted by the yanks. All the potential good work of the club that began from houllier & the LFc's potential to ever challenge for trophies next 2-4 years has been drown by the greed of the american duo.
look at chelsea & MU, the two has been consistently exchanging honours between then of late because they dip & spend. Look at the millions pound players ON their bench.
Arsenal....only arsenal fan understands
why they missed trophies when wenger
refuse to spend on squad. exciting & elegant to watch but true gunners will know all they need is to have 2-3 good fringe players to help in KEY players where its crucial. when cesc fabregas or Van Persie is out, arsenal HAS been reduced to almost average team. (opps not accounting of NOT buying a proper keeper). sure arsenal books will be really healthy in long term. (this is a reality, even without hunours they remain profitable, not obese nor fat profit but still well in good health)
LFc, we are dire straits, or at least soon. New owners WILL mean starting again (owners taking risk in huge loans) sorry only a mad russian is willing to wipe off his own debt & roman abramovich potentially looked one-in-a-miilion type of owner.
yeah, lilredridinghood, Liverpool will take a while be among the top again and some say its not the yanks fault. I pray & hope lfc is not plague to be like newcastle or leeds

Aqualani was a panic buy when we had to sell alonso because the Yanks didnt not sanction to buy an additional guard (gareth barry) to alonso unless we SELL, so sacrificing alonso & thus 'angered' alonso for the NEED to sell him & the saga to real madrid who eventually paid for alonso thus then FUND a crooked Aqualani.
vicious cycle isnt it ?
johnson, oh johnson, well we wrote off Portsmouth owing us (who owned us a lot) & that 18.5 million in truth was just something like half.
so thats it. we never buy big game, big money players unless a freak situation where 30 million for a player we shouldn't have sold & having a dire club in bather trade of what they owe us.
QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Apr 19 2010, 09:53 PM)
Point noted about the fact that we've got a high turnover on our ranks. I wouldn't be surprised, because when you look at how Jose Mourinho built his entire team, not only the players, but almost the entire backroom had to change. My point here is that, if you take the first eleven of Liverpool with the value BOUGHT (not value sold) versus the value of other teams, you'll probably find that we're not even on the top 5. Or maybe we graced it, but I'm pretty sure if you look at the value summed, we're way behind the giants like Man. Utd, Man. City, Chelsea, and now even the "mid table" teams that we kinda tag them.
My point here that I was trying to stress thorough? Its that despite what people like skeleton202 think that Rafa is crap, I say look at the stats, it doesn't lie and it probably may cast a light on others to show that, Rafa has already overachieved with Liverpool. When I say OVERACHIEVED, I say that we're not even fit to be where we're hovering at this moment. Remember Newcastle? Remember other teams with UCL-reliant economy to balance its sheet? We're lucky that we used not to be there before the effin' Yanks came into the fray. We were lucky to even have won the 2005 UCL. That was one miracle, in all sorts. Goatie or no goatie.
Believe me, if all our fans start to really act like how we're acting now, and if this wasn't LIVERPOOL, Rafa would have been sacked. But do you think any other managers will have want to manage this mess, with no money to 'build' this squad on? Hardly.
Considering on paper that we started (even pre-season) on a L-L-D-L-L form to a more respectable D-D-W-W-D form, I'm not going to complain. If we get to play Europa, we play Europa. If we get to play Champions League, we play Champions League. If we get to play FA, we play FA. Remember, we don't live on just dreams and expectations. Liverpool isn't a team of "must get the win or we'll rage RAWRZOMFGOMGWTFBBQRAGE".
And least not forget, even we may not be winning anything major recently, we're still a 'big club' in terms of overachieving.
QUOTE(fenzodahl512 @ Apr 19 2010, 10:11 PM)
We don't really need that much amount of money.. We need the yanks to get out first.. Then we need the new owners to settle the debts and build a new stadium..
With our current players, we definitely can survive in Premiership.. The only thing we need now is another top class striker.. Forget about CL.. Get those stupid yanks out off Liverpool first..
Moores must be regret for the rest of his life because sold Liverpool to stupid yanks.. He should do his homework very carefully and choose the oil-rich guy instead...
QUOTE(MariMo @ Apr 20 2010, 02:42 AM)
Ngog's playing

he has good forward runs and great vision for space.
His finishing might suck , but he has that striker instinct .
Come On U Reds!
QUOTE(bomberkenny @ Apr 20 2010, 03:53 AM)
yea, ngog might have scored one beauty, but he has 2,3 chances to shoot-on-target but he just missed it.
QUOTE(RyanHo @ Apr 20 2010, 04:55 AM)
Ngog's goal is classy. For the another 2 goals was pure luck from gerrard. Haha
QUOTE(ADVedder @ Apr 20 2010, 05:01 AM)
our goals are from set pieces.. nice win! good for the teams confident! now bring on those Spanish!
QUOTE(CKW008 @ Apr 20 2010, 05:26 AM)
but y i still felt 3 lucky goals for us..?...
can c frustrated 20 million man on the bench again..
QUOTE(-nana- @ Apr 20 2010, 05:29 AM)
dont get carried away by the 3-0 scoreline as apart from a few bright moments and ngog's goal and a few dangerous crosses from the gerrard we used to know and adore.. it was a poor performance imo. poor because we were at home.
and where the heck is aquilani ? if he aint fit, he wont be on the bench, i sense lotsa frustration in his part.. having to come to a foreign country, new environment and to prove himself after a huge pricetag.. and limited to cameo appearances..i think if rafa is still in charge next season, aqua is certainly moving back to italy. i'm still hoping to see him with more games during his time here.

QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Apr 20 2010, 05:35 AM)
Green was poor today. Not that im taking anything from our great win.

QUOTE(clsiluf @ Apr 20 2010, 08:00 AM)
at this stage, point is important then performance ...
This post has been edited by solstice818: Apr 20 2010, 09:35 AM