a scientific theory is not only backed by evidence,but it also fulfills one of the most fundamental principles of science,i.e.it's FALSIFIABLE,it can be proven wrong if counter evidence is found thereby leading scientists to abandon the theory,faith on the other hand is entirely unfalsifiable,the proponents of such ideology inclined to make unlimited predictions,almost not a single discovery can prove it false,and just in case you wonder,most of the objections come from creationists,their discoveries do not receive recognition in scientific community mainly because they do not adhere to scientific methodology,unable to meet the fundamental principles of science,make constant vacuous statements,and turns out most of the times they are involved in forgery...
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turns out that I've misconstrued your gist,my fault...
back to the point,if one wants to resort to a third party explanation,it has to based on evidence,not lead by opaque reasons...
I hope this clarifies my stance...

This post has been edited by CleverDick: Apr 14 2010, 03:28 AM

What if one day all that we understand and perceive about reality turn out to be just delusion and joke even it make sense to us???? Don't stop , have faith that it wouldn't


jUSt DO IT!!!

sorry, accidentally used my friend's ID while using his laptop

This post has been edited by rndm: Apr 13 2010, 02:40 PM

Is that some idea from that Turkish creationist guy called Oktar?

as long u got the point then it's settled cleverdick it's not that i dont believe in science and i appreciate ur explanation there (indeed i love science even when i was a kid) just that when it comes to forgery, not only matter of faith but science also involved. Just look at how many frauds made by scientist and archeologist just to prove themselves right? It's against the principle of science right? but they still did it just to show how true they are regardless of whatever it's need to be done (making false evidences for instance) as long it support the theory made.

just how many frauds are there in archeology compare with legitimate finding? one in a hundred, on in thousand. and it is the archeology community themself that expose those fraud. because in science your finding in to be open to examination by other scientist.

exactly...

Those fraud findings were always part of some religious belief. Remember about the "discovery" of giant sized skeleton and the subsequent widespread of the findings throughout the Internet? It's because the mumbo jumbo of ancient human being big in size, later shrinking into the present size. Now, that's faith influencing science to make it agreeable with preconceived notion.

Funny it does not work the other way around. One believer examine the other believer. With many believer it becomes accepted. LOL

Exactly, because most of the researcher know to think better than others religious people who consisted much of the population. However, this does not imply to cleverdick who is an atheist instead pioneer....

U should stop shooting people who wan to learn like BlazeHit....U are killing his enthusiastic of curiosity..I guess that is why religious people just hate us for this reason

This post has been edited by communist892003: Apr 13 2010, 04:14 PM

I apologize if I over-reacted...

I cannot imagine this world consist of one religion. Is good to have more, so that we don't act according to what we think is right.

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Added on April 13, 2010, 4:24 pmI don't get you

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Added on April 13, 2010, 4:26 pmThis post has been edited by communist892003: Apr 13 2010, 04:26 PM

here,read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Oktar

Nope, pls i demand no apology in fact what is told by kenmirzz is true. I check about the pictures of those gigantic bones years ago and it's obviously fake that's why i dun argue over such thing. That's why when i saw one here im surprised to see such ppl exist. Still, that doesnt mean ppl should stop just because they failed. Thanks communist892003 for understanding. I wish to learn more. About how many frauds, i would say many robertngo. Your ratio of frauds made by archeologist 1/100 and 1/1000 seems to be exaggerated.

This post has been edited by Blaze_hit: Apr 13 2010, 04:31 PM

I was replying to Rndn post about everything is not real and could be illusion. That idea is propagated by creationist Adnan Oktar who seek to disprove evolutionary biology with his creationism crap. Well, his version of creationism though.

This post has been edited by kenmirzz: Apr 13 2010, 06:17 PM

mind to elaborate more?i'd like to see more of your baseless argument...

This post has been edited by CleverDick: Apr 13 2010, 08:46 PM

That is sarcasm that i wrote specifically to you. It would be better u read some metaphysics or epistemology. The fact that our eyes perceive that the land is flat , but does not implied that earth is flat. The fact that knowledge said whatever it said, doesn't mean it would be necessary be the truth.

This post has been edited by communist892003: Apr 13 2010, 09:59 PM

this notion is vacuous in the face of concrete scientific evidence,and the logic itself is flawed,it essentially implies something like this---our knowledge tells us that there is no flying spaghetti monster,but is it true?

This post has been edited by CleverDick: Apr 13 2010, 10:16 PM

faith does not come into play. i do not believe my facts to be true, i know my facts to be true within the boundary set.

The lives of an average human will consist of both reality and illusion. What we perceive as reality could be illusion or wad we perceive illusion could be reality.
Some people would want live with illusion (which is their reality) if it makes them happier and more productive, and shuns the harmful reality. They are very different from realists. Some chose to believe in the existence of god since the whole salvation thingy would make them happier, and why not? Its not like anyone is coming along with hard evidence showing tat omnipotent being does not exist.

Realists demand reality in their lives, although they still live and believed into some illusions. But reality does not really begets happiness tat often. But being realistic is not being skeptical, its 2 different traits. Some of them even demand 100% facts in their lives, which they will never get of course.

As people always say "ignorance is a bliss". And people with lots of this "bliss" live happier and longer. Why demand the facts if it makes you miserable? If you could live with the illusion and be happy throughout your life? That's the way of non - realists.