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robertngo
post Apr 11 2010, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(communist892003 @ Apr 11 2010, 08:05 PM)
The modern world is a place in which faith and reason are totally separate. Faith has its place, reason has its place. Schools are secularized, so are many hospitals. In short, faith and reason are seen as incompatible. It is believed that in order to individually excel, both need to go their separate way.

However, this view is very new. In the Middle Ages, this was not the case. While most view the Middle Ages as dark and chaotic, this was a period of intense illumination. The works of Aristotle and Muslim philosophers were rediscovered and spread in Europe. Universities first appeared during these times. Scholars wrote extensively on philosophy, science, theology, astronomy, and mathematics. Yet, we owe all this to the Islamic world, since they preserved this knowledge as Rome fell. We owe it to the Catholic Church, to who translated and copied this knowledge when the Islamic world declined.

Those people believed that faith and reason were, not only compatible, but senseless if separated. How can knowledge and values be separated? Are we now, after abandoning this world, living in a world in which people “know the price of everything, but the value of nothing?” (Oscar Wilde).
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the problem is faith often demand we abandon reason. how many religion welcome skeptical view of their god and holy books during their religious gathering?

knowledge and value should always be seperate, knowledge are universal, gravity work the same way everywhere in the world, but moral value are different everywhere in the world.



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post Apr 12 2010, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(communist892003 @ Apr 12 2010, 01:13 PM)
U can define God??? That is the funniest joke i ever heard today. Like u said, god transcend the mere physical existence, and science is our way to understand it. So if u could define god, perhaps god is fall under your intellectual knowledge and just another fact in reality.  laugh.gif
So my point is, God is huge topic, bigger than it could fix inside your brain.
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how is it possible to use science to understand god, a supernatural being. science only deal with the natural world, what can be observe and measured.
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QUOTE(Blaze_hit @ Apr 12 2010, 08:47 PM)
glad u understand then smile.gif ive deliver and tell what ive been told. My job is done. Glad to know u all, hope i can learn more. In the end the truth is just matter of opinions..
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how can the truth be a matter of opinions, then there is be multiple version of the truth because everyone will have their own opinion.
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post Apr 13 2010, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(Blaze_hit @ Apr 13 2010, 03:00 PM)
as long u got the point then it's settled cleverdick smile.gif it's not that i dont believe in science and i appreciate ur explanation there (indeed i love science even when i was a kid) just that when it comes to forgery, not only matter of faith but science also involved. Just look at how many frauds made by scientist and archeologist just to prove themselves right? It's against the principle of science right? but they still did it just to show how true they are regardless of whatever it's need to be done (making false evidences for instance) as long it support the theory made.
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just how many frauds are there in archeology compare with legitimate finding? one in a hundred, on in thousand. and it is the archeology community themself that expose those fraud. because in science your finding in to be open to examination by other scientist.

 

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