I think you're being a bit unfair here. I put that down to your unfamiliarity with law and legal academics.

Law publications tend to be country specific unless you are publishing in broad-reaching areas, eg international law. New findings that are applicable to all jurisdictions are rare. Even if a landmark case/decision is released in a particular country, it will not necessarily be relevant/applicable to other countries.

Yes, there is some borrowing and law academics should be familiar with major developments in overseas jurisdictions (at least within the common law system). However, the primary area of expertise will be in the domestic jurisdiction. This is the case here in NZ as it is anywhere else. Malaysia is no exception.

You seem to have scrolled right down to the Mass Media section of his publications to extract Nanyang Xiang Pau etc, while ignoring his other publications. Scanning through his publications, I notice he has publications by Sweet and Maxwell Asia, the Malayan Law Journal and what looks like definitive guides/books on Malaysian taxation law. Not too shabby by any standards.

Let's get into realit here. we all understand what is going on in our tertiary education here in Malaysia. But bottom line is do we want to come back and serve our country??

Btw, is there any distinctive difference between a researcher and a lecturer in malaysia universities????

Let's put it "bottom line is do we want to come back and discriminated by our country?"

Yes, at least the case at overseas. But, I'm not sure the case in Malaysia.

This post has been edited by PhDExpert: Mar 4 2010, 10:45 AM

Have you thought of what can we do to change this country?? Instead of thinking what the country can give you, please think of what can you give the country.

I'm 29 years old. At this age, I gotta think more about my own future.

As for "what can you give the country", I might consider that 20 years later lah...

What do you expect from me? I'm just a small fry. In Malaysia, most people looks at your qualification and experience (aka age/seniority) before they listen to you!

This post has been edited by PhDExpert: Mar 5 2010, 10:33 AM

I think we would be wise to expect nothing from you, from what I have seen

Anywhere you go, people will look at your qualification and experience first, because what you "have done" is a simple, objective measure of what you "can potentially do". If you learn computer architecture, this is the basis of branch prediction. Past behavior is a good indication of future behavior

This post has been edited by epic.engineer: Mar 5 2010, 09:57 PM

JUST WORK AT UK......

Hi, I hold a Phd and have been working in IPTS for 7 years. I am in my early 30s and currently working as an associate professor while holding some admin position in the college as well. I can tell you the pay is ok but not comparable to industry. I take in about RM8000 a month and that is including RM1k allowance for my administrative position. In terms of public university, i was offered as an associate professor as well and the pay is not that good, overall is RM7800 (Basic = RM5800 Allowances = RM2000). Anyway, although you have an MSC from LSE, if you were to join private UCs or colleges, without a PhD, the most you can get is probably around 4K plus and not more than 5K. This is a high end pay for a lecturer. Most established private universities or universities college would not offer you a senior lecturer post as you will need to have some good publications, teaching experiencce etc. For Monash in Malaysia, a lecturer will get you Rm7k plus while some senior lecturers get RM8-9k. But again, you need to have good academic records (i.e. publications, research etc).

If you apply to UTAR, you might get less than 4k (probably 3 plus). So I would say try do a PhD in the UK before coming back to Malaysia to lecture if you want a good pay. Thanks.

thanks very informative.

Hello, I'm 31 years old, and am a Engineering PhD holder. I got Bachelor (Uni Malaya), Masters (NUS), PhD (Uni Tech. Sydney) and PostDoc (Uni Tokyo).

May I know what's salary will I expect? Thanks!

This post has been edited by futuristicwiz: Apr 21 2010, 03:36 PM

Apply to USM. the richest University since getting APEX status. Dr qualification about 8K. Prof abt 13k... n there many research funds waiting for U. hahah... good luck =)

Not sure about USM. However, the public uni which offered me an assoc prof is University Malaya. They sent me a KPI and I got the associate professor post as I met the requirement of having at least 8 ISI ranked papers (I have around 15 ISI papers). Professor (B) needs 25 ISI papers minimum while Professor (A) needs 35 minimum. This is not including others such as phd students supervised, fundings etc. But I was offered Rm7800 as mentioned in earlier posting (Basic 5800 allowances 2000). Public universities' pay is quite fixed but USM being APEX I am not sure. Anyway, this is no big secret, the pay are listed in http://www.jobstreet.com.ph/jobs/2008/12/d...756389.htm?fr=J for example. ABout 1 - 2 months ago UM also advertised on The Star and they list out the salary. Anyway, with your profile, try foreign universities instead of Malaysia, or try private unis such as Monash and Nottingham!

will universty malaya salary be different from USM because its located in KL so higher living cost?

For a PhD (to be a full fledge lecturer in PHLI/IPTA) grad, our lecturer salary is a peanut. Better find some other jobs.

Starting rm7k+ is peanuts? How much do u earn?

I don't think so. The salary scale is fixed but the range do vary. But as mentioned, APEX uni has the advantage of being able to offer more. However, these universities are willing to pay for PhD holders as there is a lack of doctorates in Malaysia (The genuine ones).

However, working in a university is more than just about the salary. It is passing on knowledge to students, passionate about your research field, contributing to your research area etc. Depending on your academic rank, an academician jobs' in universities include research, teaching, supervising project students, being a mentor to students, marking papers, setting papers, giving talks, R&D, consultancies etc. Those who do well will gain professorship, good pays, good reputation etc while those who just want to "Cari Makan" in the field will just become a "fake lecturer". They just teach their students (badly) and have no passion in their field. These type of "lecturers" might not progress or even get kicked out after many years due to the current competitions in universities. Most universities are obssessed with university rankings and therefore they are recruiting those with Phds and those who can publish and do research. Universities in Singapore, Hong Kong have been paying a lot to attract talents.

Hope the info helps. Good luck.

Starting salary for IPTA it is NOT RM7K+........Their basic salary is +- 4.5K (DS51 Grade) plus other allowances, total (at most) around 6K


Around the same figure but I only have first degree.....I don't have to spend time study at master and PhD level though. Safe me around 5 years (will add up to my working experience).

This post has been edited by nakTT: Apr 21 2010, 09:40 PM

Hi. Actually a lecturer's main concern is not just pay as stated earlier. IF yes, no one would lecture and who would teaching you during your first degree? Secondly, most people are confused thinking that people "study" for their masters or Phd. This is probably due to Malaysia's culture where they are being taught even at PhD level. Most people doing PhD are working on projects. It is usually a 2-3 years research projects, and often, it is funded by the private industry.

Who would be the ones working on drugs for cancer, HIV etc but researchers in universities. Sure, private industry will also work on this but imagine if there are drugs from the industry, what would the price be?

If the person just now who mentioned he/she has a masters from such a top university, he/she would probably get scholarship to work on his/her Phd which can be funded by the university or industry. Of course, after coming out with a PhD, experience needs to be gained. However, do not ever underestimate one's career progress. You might not know what happen to someone's career in 10 years' time. A Phd lecturer can probably find a job in any part of the world. Although most people will think that degrees in IT, Engineering etc will lead you to the same thing, there is a lack of good Phds compared to tons of degree holders. Look at the hiring at top companies like Google. Many of their staffs are PhD holders and masters holders as well. In business, who came up with Porter's Five Forces or Blue Ocean strategies which are being applied by CEOs? These are ideas from the academicians! We are surfing the net happily now. But who invented Fiber Optics? This is none other than Professor Charles Kao, former VC of HK Chinese University. We hope that one day, those Phds and researchers will contribute to Malaysia.

Malaysia needs to move towards the knowledge based economy. Unfortunately, how many knowledge workers are we producing? Yes, we have workers in the IT field in Cyberjaya, but these are not knowledge workers. The knowledge workers are in the United States, Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong etc. Those in Cyberjaya are probably doing jobs such as support, migration engineering etc. Industries such as biotechnology, sciences etc are also behind other developed countries or even China. We have graduates who can't speak proper English, and neither have the skills to compete with people from other countries. Therefore, we should not discourage potential, motivated people to join the academic fields. We are already losing great professors and researchers to other countries such as Singapore, Australia etc. What would happen to your children in the future? You might need to send them to study overseas, why? Because you probably know that Malaysia's education is not that good, and although you might earn 10-20 k a month, the money will also be spent on your children's education overseas because our education is not good enough.

So it is time that we encourage people to join the academic work force in Malaysia if they have the passion and interest, instead of saying you will not earn much, no progress etc. Look at Dr. Chua http://www.smu.edu.sg/news_room/smu_in_the...s/ST_030720.pdf He is a Malaysian but contributing to Singapore instead of Malaysia... we would do better if more people like him contribute to our education industry in malaysia and we can start by encouraging those interested to join..

Dear All,

When I was a kid, I dream to be a teacher. It might sound kind of lame but it is still my dream, since graduate in KTAR, I went to UK for my Bsc. (Hon) in Construction Management

For now, I been working for 3 years now and manage to save enough money for my Msc. in Project Management. I hope by doing this, I will stand a chance for a position as a lecturer in KTAR or UTAR but after some reading, I found that a PHD is very important for fulfill my dream.

I am working in oversea now and if I am able to fulfil my contract (not getting fire), I will be having enough money to fund my study (Msc).

Question:
1. Based on above situation, what should be my next plan after Msc?? Go for my PHD??
2. What will be my main consideration/obstruct in this quest??
3. Is my subject/study/education qualification adequate to be a lecturer after I obtain a Msc or PHD in my area of studies??

I know the information might be too brief, please advice.

PS: I don’t have the money for PHD

Thanks & Regards

Likimikuku

If you really want to excel in research and education at the highest level, our country is not the best place. I know money is not always the 1st thing in life (especially for those who love knowledge), but you need certain amount of money every month to at least have a decent living.

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Added on April 22, 2010, 12:38 amNo worries bro. I know a thing or two about education (at MSc and PhD level), and believe me I know about the research on drugs for cancer, HIV and all. I myself was once seriously contemplating whether or not to further my study but someone have to put bread on the table for our future family. As for my earlier post, I just want to make it short and to make it clear that if the money is the one that they after, education might not be the best place (from their perspective).

I agree with you that it is not just about money. That is exactly why I let (and encourage) my fiancee to further her study. She is now in her early phase of her PhD. As for me, I just have to sacrifice for our future family and if god willing I will further mine when she have done hers.

This post has been edited by nakTT: Apr 22 2010, 12:45 AM