f4tE,

<<But not all Bumis are like what u said mr dreamer.>>

Whether they are or they are not is IRRELEVANT. The BOTTOM LINE is they stand by and DID NOTHING while non-bumi are FORCED OUT. Given that many of them work at 90+% environment, they CANNOT CLAIM that they DO NOT KNOW this is going on.

Now, we have 1.2 millions civil servants and 300K to 500K GLC employees. And, those organizations are 90+%. Plus, they are SUPPORTED by OIL MONEY. The OIL MONEY is running out. Time to pay the price. We cannot escape punishment from God / Karma. We all have to pay for our sins.

Water can float a ship. Water can sink a ship too.

<<Current trend, even the Bumis are aware and they are not supporting the government>>

Of course. The resource is limited. Now, there are DISCRIMINATION against BUMI too. BUMI need connection to get those benefits. So, they are starting to suffer along like the non-bumi. Share the pain. So, now, they see that it can be used against them too.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Apr 22 2010, 09:06 PM

I see no point to worry about this kinda situation at all. If you look at the richest men list in Malaysia, how many of them are bumis, even if they are, how many of them are genuine entrepreneur? I do not see highly in someone who cannot build something out of nothing, time will tell all those bumi's owned corporation whether they can last long under the test of time.

Sometimes I'm even happy that the way how the government is protecting bumis, in the end of the day, if one does not understand that struggling is a MUST process for one to be great. Protectionism only makes one weaker over time. LOL, instead of trying to help their own race to triumph under current policy, they did it the other way around. Thank god, some ppl are STUPID!

meebo,

<<I see no point to worry about this kinda situation at all.>>

Do you want to be in Malaysia when we run out of OIL MONEY and the government has to VSS a few hundred K of people??

I don't.

Dreamer

1. It is so wrong to judge the quality of a journal solely on the IF.

2. Do not make generalize statement on lecturers in Malaysia. You seemed to brag alot, saying overqualification in the other thread etc, but you have yet to reply on how many patents have you filled and how many papers have you published.

Well sometimes, people from different backgrounds have a really hard time to understand each others. But I always try my best to respect others with differences.

I have starved before, and I knows what it is like when you beg like a dog for survival when I was in financial crisis. ( I meant those literally, not metaphor!) But here I'm standing still, I cant boast that I have the ability to create a gold mine out of the dust like some of the world renowned entrepreneurs, BUT I know! I could survive way better than a bunch of well-spoiled kids even if another financial crisis come hit us again in the future. And that's why even if Malaysia runs out of oil in the future, it doesn't really concern me much if I m moving out or stay.

meebo,

<<I could survive way better than a bunch of well-spoiled kids even if another financial crisis come hit us again in the future.>>

You still do not get IT.

A) All the financial crisis over the past 30+ years did not affect the 90+% environment. They were protected by OIL MONEY. So, the next one will be a lot worse.

B) YOU could survive. But, what happen when a few hundred K of people that could not SURVIVE plus their families hit the street for the next crisis. Do you mean that it WILL NOT affect you?? Do you want to be around when that happened??

Dreamer

Hi guys, i am newbie in this tread.

What the potential for PhD holder in private sectors ? In Malaysia...

Thanks alot.

Hi.

Depends on what kind of phd you are talking about. If its engineering can get rm10k

Wow sikitnya !!!!????

Currently i am doing MBA, thinking after this will doin PhD in Investment (pick 1 specialize area....say Beta stuff).

Anyway thanks mate.

of course having an mba is a totally different ball altogether from engineering field ;-)

It is so wrong to quash my point without good justifications from your side. It's by international standard researchers use Impact Factor (that covers citation) to justify the qualities of the journals.

You FAIL to understand the problem.

PhD holders MUST understand who is their employer aka the universities. In Australia, NZ, US, Singapore and HK, you are judged based on the ranking and impact factor of your journals and conference publications!

In Malaysia, impact factor is NOT considered well or any at all!

Human nature, you have no experience at overseas. You never know!

Who bragged? Read my previous mails to find out when I mentioned about humbleness! I have my own preference to choose not to tell, please respect.

FuturisticWiz

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Added on April 24, 2010, 4:38 amDreamer,

You have enlightened us for another time. Thanks. I truly believe we have been cushioned by the oil money thus far in any untoward economic crisis. Now that our oil is depleting in less than a decade, the real disaster is about to happen. Oil money has been contributing to more than 50% of the subsidies to 'help' the people, imagine what would happen when we no longer able to enjoy this: No more luxury scholarship packages to pursue PhDs and Masters at overseas for certain race. This is a good news as this has been clearly racial biased!

So far, the oil money has only benefited a certain race, clearly portrayed by a certain race domination in Petronas.

Our oil reserve in running out in 6 to 8 years from NOW. What's next? VSS? Government adsorbs the employees again? Anyway, we will learn to be stronger

But then Dreamer, this might be a bad news as well! The tax payers in the country have been from the minorities. I wonder if the government is going to raise it, so that money could be channel to the non tax payers comprised of a certain race, therefore discrimination does exist in any situations!

FuturisticWiz

This post has been edited by futuristicwiz: Apr 24 2010, 04:42 AM

futuristicwiz,

You have not been watching for a long time. There has been MANY IMPLICIT tax increases over the last few years that hit all Malaysians. It is no longer good enough to milk the non-bumi.

1) Civil servants get up to 30% increase on their salaries before the 2008 GE.

2) Meanwhile, you have toll increases and so on....

Now, it is between the 90+% people versus people that do not work in 90+%. And, it will not make any difference anyhow. There are NOT ENOUGH places to find 50 billions a year to fill this hole.

Dreamer

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Added on April 24, 2010, 6:05 amfuturisticwiz,

1) You REALLY do not understand the culture of the people that you are dealing with. There is NO CONCEPT of meritocracy in that culture. You hurt his feeling so YOU must be WRONG.

2) For "Jaguh Kampung", why do they care about world standard?? They can hid under a coconut shell until the OIL MONEY runs out.

Dreamer



This post has been edited by dreamer101: Apr 24 2010, 06:05 AM

That is the problem. How do you know IF is not considered WELL or AT ALL in malaysia? Again you are making a generalized statement. You asked people to respect your opinion yet you blatantly discredit all local lecturers with your remark. Humbleness? Point in case, you straight away questioned the quality of the 15 journals of our fellow forumer, and you claimed I have no overseas experience, how would you know? For sure you have your right not to tell, until you keep bragging about how overqualified you are and every lecturers in Malaysia is of lower standard than you.

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Added on April 24, 2010, 10:22 amDreamer, just for your information, if you wish to play the racial card, I am a Chinese so I do not belong in the culture. I have refrained myself from commenting on your little debate on the meritocracy, NEP topic etc and I would like to keep it that way. I rather strive for the best than lament on the situation, bragged about own achievement and to soothe own feeling, proceed to say everyone else is inferior. Get my drift?

This post has been edited by Human Nature: Apr 24 2010, 10:22 AM

1. Most Malaysian lecturers never shows a good list of publications in their professional website. Worst still, some never have a personal website. How do you expect the world to evaluate understand their quality at the first place?!

2. "questioned the quality of the 15 journals" is being professional, NOT bragging. People shows their FULL profile on website.

3. You are lack of knowledge what's happening around the world. Impact factor is of paramount importance, and yet you quashed my point at the first place without sound justification!

4. Read the comments from my previous mail below:
Please stop your pathetic rant of "until you keep bragging about how overqualified you are and every lecturers in Malaysia is of lower standard than you." Fact is fact, it's difficult to find a real lecturer with PhD in Malaysia. What's there to argue about?! If you think Malaysia's lecturers are so good... then why are we falling behind our close neighbour Singapore, HK, Australia, NZ, UK and US? I remind you that I am being fair to compare our country with those developed countries because we are just short of less than a decade to reach year 2020 as a developed nation, and yet we could not achieve even 10% of their research capacity. You judge yourself.

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Added on April 24, 2010, 10:39 amNo one is bragging or being inferior in professional sense. Look at the professional website below:

http://www.ece.nus.edu.sg/staff/web.asp?id=eleckc&page=home

He is not bragging at all! He is just showing off his capability and publications and patents. You can browse them at in his website.

This post has been edited by futuristicwiz: Apr 24 2010, 10:42 AM

http://portal.um.edu.my/doc/vc/MESSAGE_FRO..._CHANCELLOR.pdf

http://web.utm.my/vicechancellor/index.php...288&Itemid=156#

I NEVER say the SG researcher is bragging, i am saying YOU are bragging. To say it is difficult to find a real lecturer with PHD in malaysia is uncalled for. What makes you think YOUR PHD is superior? and what makes you think i am lacking in knowledge of what is happening around the world? It's your superiority complex doing the talking again :-)

I NEVER say IF is not important, i just state that it is not the sole justification criteria.

I NEVER say lecturers in malaysia are so good, but you blatantly discredit every malaysian lecturers.

You need to learn to read statements properly.

This post has been edited by Human Nature: Apr 24 2010, 11:14 AM

ISI journals are NOT the yardstick to justify the quality of the journal. My question is HOW many of those ISI publications are from the Premium and Leading???

http://www.comp.nus.edu.sg/~wang06/SoC%20J...l%20Ranking.htm

Publishing ONE journal article in Premium or Leading category takes MANY stages of reviews, at least 2 stages based on my experience. Therefore, it takes MORE THAN ONE YEAR to publish a journal article most of the times. Now, based on your attached document,

Professor Ng Seik Weing published 185 ISI journals in one year alone. This is IMPOSSIBLE considering that the review cycle of the Premium and Leading is so long, unless the ISI journals are of poor quality. Think logically, and you'll understand my points.

futuristicwiz

WTF, first, you guys say Malaysian universities do not consider ISI, then when UM's website shows lecturers publishing in ISI, you say it is poor quality etc. I think for you guys, you should just end the conversation by saying Malaysian universities sux, foreign countries better, malaysia is unfair due to NEP etc etc etc. Typical Malaysians, complain complain complain. If you guys claim that you have so many good things to offer to the country, do something? Yes yes, there is no chance for non bumi bla bla bla. If you want to contribute, just contribute. Don't think about money, opportunity etc.

I think the websites posted demostrated two things 1) Someone mentioned malaysian lecturers never show their CV and profile, then posted an NUS website link. So the UM website shows you that you are wrong, the CVs are available! 2) Malaysian universities don't really focus on ISI, again wrong, because the links show that they do. But please don't compare with universities in US, UK etc. Are you telling me that all universities in the UK, US , are good? How about East London University? How about those lowly ranked universities in the UK?

Someone showed the australian journal ranking ERA.. well, FYI, some of the ranked A journals are not ISI, while some ISI journals are not ranked well in ERA. Forget about ranking of journals. You mean whenever a lecturers want to publish, he has to look at the ranking?? Perhaps the journal's theme is suitable, is is a relatively good journal, good editorial board members, papers there are of good standard etc? What is the point of publishing in ISI journal when your paper is not cited at the end? What if someone publishes a paper in a non ISI journal but the paper is cited 1000 times?

Professor Ng Seik Weing published 185 ISI journals in one year alone. This is IMPOSSIBLE. How do you know? Did you check the journal ranking? Did it show that they are poorly ranked journals? Nothing is impossible.

Fact is fact, nothing to complain. We are just telling fact. You don't like the fact, you should stop ranting.

You don't have the say to tell "Forget about ranking of journals" because the employers at overseas are looking at ranking! However you spin and explain about teh quality of your journal, lowly ranked is lowly ranked. No one is going to listen to your explanation.

185 ISI journals is REAL IMPOSSIBLE. Don't fool people around alright? There is only one reason, that's he himself is the editor of the journal, and so he publish his own article in his own journal. Note that, such a journal is of POOR quality.

TOP tier journals publish about 15 articles from around the world per month, that's about 180 articles per year. how did he managed to published that 185 articles? BULLSHIT!

There are tens of thousands or even more journals in the ISI Knowledge, it's FAIRLY easy to publish one. Each journal could be as short as 8 pages.

It does not take a PhD to understand simple thing you know? I'm MORE interested to know how many of those 185 journal articles are of Premium and Leading levels by Singapore standard.

futuristicwiz

This post has been edited by futuristicwiz: Apr 24 2010, 11:50 AM

This post has been edited by firstamongequal: Apr 24 2010, 12:11 PM