QUOTE(kotmj @ Feb 28 2010, 06:56 PM)
PhDexpert, maybe you can tell us how the recruitment process for a lecturer looks like.
1. To be hired as a lecturer, one must have a PhD.
2. To be promoted to a senior lecturer, one must have a string of high quality publications. Low quality publications do NOT count. A lecturer must achieve sufficient amount of points for promotion. For instance, several countries have their own ranking though they are pretty much the same:
Singapore:
Ranking in SingaporeAustralia:
Ranking in Australia3. To be promoted to an Associate Professor, one must achieve certain amount of points in publications. In addition, one must have sufficient number of referees from well recognised institutions from Malaysia and Overseas. Any conflicts must be declared. This is another reason why universities at overseas are frantically looking for collaboration opportunities.
4. To be promoted to a Prof, similar procedure to point 3, but with more stringent rules.
At overseas, promotion is very much based on this system.
The Australia, NZ and Singapore use the system I mentioned.
In UK, publication citation from other universities count most.
In China, point system is based on points given by the international EI index
In Malaysia, what we have? A big NIL! So, there is NO transparency and our effort at overseas are NOT well appreciated to say the least.
Added on March 1, 2010, 5:31 amQUOTE(azarimy @ Feb 28 2010, 06:46 PM)
my dear PHDExpert,
it's true that everyone deserve to be paid based on what they can give back. but malaysia cant pay what u deserve simply because we lack the economic backing. IPTAs rely heavily on government funding to function while IPTS rely heavily on the students.
almost none of the universities are capable of sustaining themselves purely via academic research, despite having some of the leading experts in the world. we are here at IPTAs because we can contribute back to the country so that one day, whenever that will be, malaysia will be capable of paying PhD holders like u with equal salary as the developed countries. if u wanna join now, well, u gotta work hard just like the rest of us.
yes, it's a brain leak. but there are other things that the government has to maintain while we pull ourselves together.
My main point is NOT salary. You misunderstood. I mentioned I could take the job at RM6,000-7,000, although an extra RM1,000 is fair and square. My main concern is:
1. Discrimination based on racial ground, as you have mentioned non-malays are hired under contract. Why the special treatment to Malays even in the hiring process. Promotion wise, it's even hopeless for non-Malays.
2. Lack of transparency in promotion, read my previous post. Where is the ranking and point system? Is it because the Head of Department or those in high position are of low quality that they never adopt the point system adopted by most institutions in the world?
Added on March 1, 2010, 5:50 amQUOTE(depster666 @ Feb 28 2010, 07:48 PM)
This must be one of the most amusing threads I've ever read....
PhdExpert, with all due respect to your qualifications and recognitions, bla bla bla... there are few things you have to remember, and remember them well you must in chasing your dream
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As I mentioned, everyone deserves due recognition in Malaysia. I do NOT need extra careful treatment, just hope there is enough transparency and recognition. To be transparent, there must be a good system like those applied in UK, Australia, NZ and China. Yet, I do NOT see such transparency in Malaysia.
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1. This is Malaysia, not some other developed countries like you always mentioned previously. In fact, people could say you are contradicting yourself when you keep comparing those ivy leagues, conferences and what not, WITH what malaysian institutions had managed to offer as far. So, how can local institutions could compare with those ivy leagues in terms of salary/recognition/remuneration???
Read my previous post. In China, academic position is very competitive as there is surplus of PhDs. They recruit through a point system, that's fair and square. Now you know why Beijing University and Tsing Hua University are ivy league. Am I asking too much for Malaysia to follow China?
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2. Based on your qualifications, you are smart... but I would say you have to be a bit more street smart, ie understanding the local market environment, understanding what your prospective employers are looking in you, and how you can match the expectations with your profile.. You may know A to Z, but what if you employer wants you to do A, and only willing to pay you to do A?
Malaysia is competing with the rest of the world to become one of the top education hubs, adn to put some Unis in the ivy league. Did you mean the world should consider the local market environment before finalising the ivy league? Oh yeah, I remember a popular quote "Ini Malaysia" probably from a loser eh?
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3. Nobody's here is telling you that you are wrong is seeking equal recognition on par with the qualification. They are all just saying that it might be a dream too far
. Except for select few industries and some Fortune 100/500 MNC, everybody else has to swallow a bitter pill throughout their working career in malaysia. Ever wonder why is there so much publicity about brain drain in malaysia? Why people still leaving, working and taking residence somewhere else, if malaysia really value the human capital? People in malaysia are at a cross road, move out for better pay and lifestyle, or stay back due to family commitment, etc, etc.
So, to work in Malaysia, one must swallow the bitter pills, whereas, to work in a developed country, one should just sit back and enjoy the sweet pleasures eh?
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4. Refer to point 2. There's a small matter of organization/office politic that you have to tread as well in almost everywhere in malaysia..
Neway, good luck.. remember, dont just be book smart, be street smart as well. It's valuable ingredient for survival..
What do you mean by street smart? Is that to understand the Malaysian 'special' way? May be you admit that discrimination is wide spread in Malaysia, yet nothing is done, and so one has to be street smart, right? At overseas, they adopt point system backed with reference report in consideration of promotion, fair and square. In addition, all employees have to sign "Equal Opportunity" form in any application including research funding and promotion.
Are there Equal Opportunity in Malaysia? How does Malaysia compete in ivy league then?
This post has been edited by PhDExpert: Mar 1 2010, 05:50 AM 
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I'm a modest person learning and researching my field most of the times, though I admit, after years of education, I hope my salary is not disappointing.
I'm learning to invest 
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