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post Feb 20 2014, 05:08 AM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 20 2014, 01:19 AM)
Hi,

<<there is sth that confuse me about the With Effect From 2009 (Graduate Year)
it is accredited by BEM for the latest gradute year which is 2013 - 2014.>>
W.E.F 2009 - mean starting from 2009 accreditation on engineering course based on graduate year.
BEM will come your university and accredited your course. If fail, then gg. As simple as that.
Just before this, they come early.. Now change to come late to accredited the course.

Before 2009 eg. 2006-2008, accreditation based on intakes years (see the pdf again). Meaning that if university get accreditation on 2007, your intake year also 2007.. Mean you will graduate safely without worry anything.

<<hmm, do u mind elaborate more about the 'certain company prefer certain university' statement ? >>
For example Intel do like to recruit UTM students because their study syllabus is preferable by Intel.
Some engineering like Mineral & Resources from USM have very high demand from those mining company etc because other universities unable to provide such graduates.
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I tot i misunderstood that wef meaning previously...
For what reason they would have this kind of system in place T.T

isnt it the bem accreditation initial purpose is to make sure no students will enroll into the not recognized courses? So now with that being said , is it no private unis will not hv to 'worry' and all will be a bit 'risky' now?

I really gg now , dono how to choose.

So i suppose ure a public uni graduate , am i rite?
would u mind to tel me what field r u in?

Last but not least , thank you again =]

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post Feb 20 2014, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(Bean17 @ Feb 20 2014, 05:08 AM)
I tot i misunderstood that wef meaning previously...
For what reason they would have this kind of system in place T.T

isnt it the bem accreditation initial purpose is to make sure no students will enroll into the not recognized courses? So now with that being said , is it no private unis will not hv to 'worry' and all will be a bit 'risky' now?

I really gg now , dono how to choose.

So i suppose ure a public uni graduate , am i rite?
would u mind to tel me what field r u in?

Last but not least , thank you again =]
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<<isnt it the bem accreditation initial purpose is to make sure no students will enroll into the not recognized courses? So now with that being said , is it no private unis will not hv to 'worry' and all will be a bit 'risky' now?>>
EAC accreditation is to ensure that graduates of the accredited engineering programmes satisfy the minimum academic requirements for registration as a graduate engineer with the Board of Engineers Malaysia (BEM) and for admission to graduate membership of IEM.

Why EAC Accreditation is important?
 Accreditation helps students and their parents to choose quality college programmes.
 Accreditation enables employers to recruit graduates they know are well-prepared.
 Accreditation gives colleges and universities a structured mechanism to assess,
evaluate, and improve the quality of their programs.

I'm graduated from USM, engineering.
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post Feb 20 2014, 02:53 PM

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<<isnt it the bem accreditation initial purpose is to make sure no students will enroll into the not recognized courses? So now with that being said , is it no private unis will not hv to 'worry' and all will be a bit 'risky' now?>>
EAC accreditation is to ensure that graduates of the accredited engineering programmes satisfy the minimum academic requirements for registration as a graduate engineer with the Board of Engineers Malaysia (BEM) and for admission to graduate membership of IEM.

Why EAC Accreditation is important?
 Accreditation helps students and their parents to choose quality college programmes.
 Accreditation enables employers to recruit graduates they know are well-prepared.
 Accreditation gives colleges and universities a structured mechanism to assess,
evaluate, and improve the quality of their programs.

I'm graduated from USM, engineering.
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Their first aim < Accreditation helps students and their parents to choose quality college programmes > and the following FAQ sound a bit controversial for me. It's like if ur course fails to get accredited , thats it u , go dai.

FAQ No 16.
If a student enrolled in any accredited programme, but later on during the programme the
accreditation status is withdrawn, then what will be the status of the degree that a
student gained?

Accreditation with the BEM is voluntary. However, MQA requires all programmes in Malaysia
to be accredited. If it happens that the programme is not accredited, there is not much
recourse except the graduate may sue the University for not maintaining the standard to
such an extent that accreditation is withdrawn. That is why it is the best that you look for
universities with good track records.

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post Feb 20 2014, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(Bean17 @ Feb 20 2014, 02:53 PM)
Their first aim < Accreditation helps students and their parents to choose quality college programmes > and the following FAQ sound a bit controversial for me. It's like if ur course fails to get accredited , thats it u , go dai.

FAQ No 16.
If a student enrolled in any accredited programme, but later on during the programme the
accreditation status is withdrawn, then what will be the status of the degree that a
student gained? 

Accreditation with the BEM is voluntary. However, MQA requires all programmes in Malaysia
to be accredited. If it happens that the programme is not accredited, there is not much
recourse except the graduate may sue the University for not maintaining the standard to
such an extent that accreditation is withdrawn. That is why it is the best that you look for
universities with good track records.
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You see those universities have good track records will be fine. Mostly, they know how to pass the accreditation.
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post Feb 20 2014, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 20 2014, 03:04 PM)
You see those universities have good track records will be fine. Mostly, they know how to pass the accreditation.
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haha , okay . Thanks for your info thumbup.gif

I'll think about everything again from now until i get my spm result ,
still looking for direction in the middle of the ocean shakehead.gif

btw , you dont like ur engineering job? i saw that u said u jumped from an eng to become an app developer .
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post Feb 20 2014, 03:25 PM

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Hi, I have a simple question to ask although I am already working now.

Recently graduated with a Software Engineering degree although working in a predominantly Electrical Engineering workplace.

Would you consider that as an engineering degree? or just another fancy way of saying programming. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Bean17 @ Feb 20 2014, 03:24 PM)
haha , okay . Thanks for your info  thumbup.gif

I'll think about everything again from now until i get my spm result ,
still looking for direction in the middle of the ocean  shakehead.gif

btw , you dont like ur engineering job? i saw that u said u jumped from an eng to become an app developer .
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It's just move to what I want. Not that I don't like engineering jobs. brows.gif
Not all engineering graduates remained in engineering, some moved to banking, arts etc.
Learn to let go your past, will benefits for your future. laugh.gif
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post Feb 20 2014, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 20 2014, 03:29 PM)
It's just move to what I want. Not that I don't like engineering jobs.  brows.gif
Not all engineering graduates remained in engineering, some moved to banking, arts etc.
Learn to let go your past, will benefits for your future. laugh.gif
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oh well, learned sth today rclxm9.gif

hope u all the best and btw , u re developing games ? rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(Bean17 @ Feb 20 2014, 04:15 PM)
oh well, learned sth today rclxm9.gif

hope u all the best and btw , u re developing games ? rclxm9.gif
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Nope. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Phanjon @ Feb 20 2014, 03:25 PM)
Hi, I have a simple question to ask although I am already working now.

Recently graduated with a Software Engineering degree although working in a predominantly Electrical Engineering workplace.

Would you consider that as an engineering degree? or just another fancy way of saying programming. tongue.gif
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Nope.

Software Engineering is not consider as an Engineering degree by BEM/EAC, although the name is included "Engineering".
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Hello guys, I have posted this in Reddit but unfortunately no one replied my post.

You see, I'm very interested in the space industry. You know..seeing Commander Chris Hadfield doing his fantastic stuff up there just made my heart move. When I look at the moon, I have this feeling that "wow, look at god's creation..we need to explore more into deep space and discover what god has created for us."
So..the problem in Malaysia is basically there is no job relating to space at all. No rockets, nada.

All of my friends are recommending me to take electrical engineering. Is it good for me to go for the course? What should I learn and prepare before I continue my studies?

There is also Aeronautical and Mechatronics but looking for jobs are kinda hard in that field. (That was what I've been told by my mother/friends).

So what should I do? What should I sharpen before I join in ANY engineering courses anyway? Maths? Physics? AHHH BRAIN DAMAGEEEE!
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QUOTE(bestdo @ Feb 27 2014, 02:22 PM)
Hello guys, I have posted this in Reddit but unfortunately no one replied my post.

You see, I'm very interested in the space industry. You know..seeing Commander Chris Hadfield doing his fantastic stuff up there just made my heart move. When I look at the moon, I have this feeling that "wow, look at god's creation..we need to explore more into deep space and discover what god has created for us."
So..the problem in Malaysia is basically there is no job relating to space at all. No rockets, nada.

All of my friends are recommending me to take electrical engineering. Is it good for me to go for the course? What should I learn and prepare before I continue my studies?

There is also Aeronautical and Mechatronics but looking for jobs are kinda hard in that field. (That was what I've been told by my mother/friends).

So what should I do? What should I sharpen before I join in ANY engineering courses anyway? Maths? Physics? AHHH BRAIN DAMAGEEEE!
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There are a myriad of things you can do. It really depends on what is your core interest?

You have the propulsion, comms, materials etc that are all related to space. If you are keen on doing space related stuff, your best chances will be abroad.

Maths, physics & chemistry I would say.
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post Feb 28 2014, 01:04 PM

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Hi , few questions here..

First and foremost , it is about that career prospect in the mech.eng field. Ihave checked the employability of mechanical engineer thru the newspaper and saw most of them require a minimum of three to four years experience in the related field . So whats there for the fresh graduates? Is it the internship programme? Can u enlighten me on this internship matter since i do not know anyone who had studied eng in a uni bfore in my 'real' life.
Also , for mech eng, can u recommend me afew of the unis which are reputable of their edu qualiities? Both public and private. Am i correct that its the usm or utm for the public unis?
Btw, have u ever heard of Heriot Watt uni malaysia campus? I contacted them after reading their ads in the star. According to their 'employee'(i used whatsapp) , they are yet to be accredited by the bem and its the rocedure of every new uni. She also said the current year one will only receive the provisional accreditation tilll their graduate year only will they receive the full recognition. Is it true and r they reputable for their quality of edu ?

Im really sorry for this long post and once again distrb u . I just want to make sure which one is the best route/move as im not from a well to do family. I have a very deep interest in engineering ,even a 'simple' steam engine will intrigue me alot of how it works.
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QUOTE(Bean17 @ Feb 28 2014, 01:04 PM)
Hi , few questions here..

First and foremost , it is about that career prospect in the mech.eng field. Ihave checked the employability of mechanical engineer thru the newspaper and saw most of them require a minimum of three to four years experience in the related field . So whats there for the fresh graduates? Is it the internship programme?  Can u enlighten me on this internship matter since i do not know anyone who had studied eng in a uni  bfore in my 'real' life.
Also , for mech eng, can u recommend me afew of the unis which are reputable of their edu qualiities? Both public and private. Am i correct that its the usm or utm for the public unis?
Btw, have u ever heard of Heriot Watt uni malaysia campus? I contacted them after reading their ads in the star. According to their 'employee'(i used whatsapp) , they are yet to be accredited by the bem and its the rocedure of every new uni. She also said the current year one will only receive the provisional accreditation tilll their graduate year only will they receive the full recognition. Is it true and r they reputable for their quality of edu ?

Im  really sorry for this long post and once again distrb u . I just want to make sure which one is the best route/move as im not from a well to do family. I have a very deep interest in engineering ,even a 'simple' steam engine will intrigue me alot of how it works.
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<<So whats there for the fresh graduates?>>
Yup, there are job for freshie too, just apply those 1 year exp or fresh grad job

<<Is it the internship programme? >>
Internship is industrial training before you graduate from University, normally you will go for internship during end of 3rd year. Engineering need to study for 4 years.
You will apply a job and work around 3months, some university 6 months and exposed to engineering working environment.

<<for mech eng, can u recommend me afew of the unis which are reputable of their edu qualiities?>>
USM, UM - You can get in using A level / STPM / Matrix
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...post&id=3871210
To be safe, cgpa around >3.7 to 4.0 in STPM will get you there.

<< Am i correct that its the usm or utm for the public unis? >>
Yup

<<Btw, have u ever heard of Heriot Watt uni malaysia campus?>>
Never heard of, and if they have yet accredited by BEM, just forget about this choice.
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QUOTE(Geminist @ Feb 28 2014, 07:31 AM)
There are a myriad of things you can do.  It really depends on what is your core interest? 

You have the propulsion, comms, materials etc that are all related to space.  If you are keen on doing space related stuff, your best chances will be abroad. 

Maths, physics & chemistry I would say.
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I see...before going abroad..I guess I should take an Electrical/Mechanical course in Malaysia. Thanks for the info!
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post Mar 1 2014, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 28 2014, 01:14 PM)
<<So whats there for the fresh graduates?>>
Yup, there are job for freshie too, just apply those 1 year exp or fresh grad job

<<Is it the internship programme? >>
Internship is industrial training before you graduate from University, normally you will go for internship during end of 3rd year. Engineering need to study for 4 years.
You will apply a job and work around 3months, some university 6 months and exposed to engineering working environment.

<<for mech eng, can u recommend me afew of the unis which are reputable of their edu qualiities?>>
USM, UM - You can get in using A level / STPM / Matrix
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...post&id=3871210
To be safe, cgpa around >3.7 to 4.0 in STPM will get you there.

<< Am i correct that its the usm or utm for the public unis? >>
Yup

<<Btw, have u ever heard of Heriot Watt uni malaysia campus?>>
Never heard of, and if they have yet accredited by BEM, just forget about this choice.
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A-level is quite hard to get into IPTAs , am i correct ... ? wink.gif
Actually i was planning to get a scholarship to study A-level and then apply for NUS / maybe NTU , but it all subjects to if i get my scholarship for a-level. Should have taken my tenth subject. 9As will only eligible for 50% scholarship -.-

Dont like STPM cos the pa. im sure things happened during my spm like memorizing , cramming all facts will be happened all over again in my STPM. so trying to avoid it. sweat.gif

Btw , u develop mostly iOS apps ? brows.gif

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Can anybody tell me what's the difference between UNMC's 4 years Master engineering programme and other engineering programme offered by other uni like UTP, UTM etc where getting a bachelor needs 4 years?

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Can anybody tell me what's the difference between UNMC's 4 years Master engineering programme and other engineering programme offered by other uni like UTP, UTM etc where getting a bachelor needs 4 years?
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Every engineering to be accredited by Board of Engineering Malaysia need to study at least 4 years.

For nottingham, http://www.eac.org.my/web/document/list%20...10.12.2013).pdf
Only master degree was accredited by BEM. You will get master at the end of study.
3 years course, you can get bachelor degree, but not accredited by BEM.
So, you need to take 4 years course like Master.

Whereas, other uni, you will get a bachelor degree.

It's same approach, but 1 get master in UNMC and 1 get bachelor in other uni.
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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Mar 4 2014, 01:55 PM)
Every engineering to be accredited by Board of Engineering Malaysia need to study at least 4 years.

For nottingham, http://www.eac.org.my/web/document/list%20...10.12.2013).pdf
Only master degree was accredited by BEM. You will get master at the end of study.
3 years course, you can get bachelor degree, but not accredited by BEM.
So, you need to take 4 years course like Master.

Whereas, other uni, you will get a bachelor degree.

It's same approach, but 1 get master in UNMC and 1 get bachelor in other uni.
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Which means a BEng and MEng from USM has 2 certs, whereas UNMC's BEng/MEng has only 1 cert which is master?

But why other unis need another extra year to get BEng? Modules different?
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QUOTE(EricYong! @ Mar 4 2014, 02:10 PM)
Which means a BEng and MEng from USM has 2 certs, whereas UNMC's BEng/MEng has only 1 cert which is master?

But why other unis need another extra year to get BEng? Modules different?
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Engineering course must need 4 years, requirement stated by BEM.
So, UNMC's bachelor 3 years is not accredited by BEM which is a kind of syok sendiri cert.
But as long as the engineering is 4 years then BEM may be approve the course. Like MEng of UNMC.
UNMC is like a shortcut course only. sweat.gif

If your course don't have accreditation from BEM, in the future you can't apply for professional engineer.
You cert is same like those non-engineering general cert only if no accreditation.

For master in engineering like those USM, there are 2 approach to get it, via research or study.
Yup, USM have 2 different certs for MEng and BEng.


Edit: For degree which is not recognised (e.g. 3 years programme) need to be top up with a master degree by instruction from accredited university.

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