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kelvinyam
post Jul 28 2011, 12:15 PM

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Do you have the list of funds managed by him?
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post Jul 28 2011, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jul 27 2011, 04:27 PM)
Any PB Mutual fund agent client that had bought China Select fund here?

Just curious and want to know how the client is doing now
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for the fund performance, why not just check the perforance chart available in the PM website, or just go to tge independent morningstar.com website, most of the agents need to refer to the same charts b4 answering u the questions.
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post Jul 28 2011, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jul 27 2011, 04:27 PM)
Any PB Mutual fund agent client that had bought China Select fund here?

Just curious and want to know how the client is doing now
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The Jessen-Alpha ratio for Public China Select Fund (PCSF) - 3 year average is of negative value.

This means the fund manager suxs and he/she has destroyed his clients' wealth.

Please fire him by redeeming your funds into better performing ones.

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post Jul 28 2011, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jul 28 2011, 12:20 PM)
for the fund performance, why not just check the perforance chart available in the PM website, or just go to tge independent morningstar.com website, most of the agents need to refer to the same charts b4 answering u the questions.
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Methinks Boney is rubbing salt on wound / making a point about "in time, it'll recover and still make $" / long term concept. Just an ass u me pmtion tongue.gif

IMHO, them charts are a bit unreliable for personal investors to gauge their holding(s) as it depends on their personal cost of entry or entries and time held. Each of us may have gone in at different time/cost, thus, those lump sum at the opening VS value-averaging every 3 to 6 months, the value averagers are making better % for PCSF.

Yes, i'm anal about tracking my transactions - even down to per annum profit/loss per transaction basis (not the lump sum gross garbage produced by fund houses) blush.gif I need laxatives.... laugh.gif


Added on July 28, 2011, 12:30 pm
QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 28 2011, 12:24 PM)
The Jessen-Alpha ratio for Public China Select Fund (PCSF) - 3 year average is of negative value.

This means the fund manager suxs and he/she has destroyed his clients' wealth.

Please fire him by redeeming your funds into better performing ones.

Xuzen
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er.. yeah - what Xuzen said rclxms.gif (sounds of wind blowing over my head rclxub.gif )

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post Jul 28 2011, 12:36 PM

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y all -ve comment? damn. bank wont give so easy return as they need to feed managers. HAHA
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post Jul 28 2011, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(garagesell @ Jul 28 2011, 12:36 PM)
y all -ve comment? damn. bank wont give so easy return as they need to feed managers. HAHA
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The return has nothing to do with the bank, but more like how the underlying asset class and fund managers' perform.

By using mathematical model, we can deduce that some managers sucks and some good. If you know how, then you can construct a optimal porfolio.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 28 2011, 12:41 PM)
The return has nothing to do with the bank, but more like how the underlying asset class and fund managers' perform.

By using mathematical model, we can deduce that some managers sucks and some good. If you know how, then you can construct a optimal porfolio.

Xuzen
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Xuzen - how U calculate "the Jessen-Alpha ratio" for Public China Select Fund (PCSF) - 3 year average is of negative value.

Is it derived from some of the ratios from the Financial Planner software (fund performance)? Keypoh mar - want to run the numbers for other funds heheh, especially the ones my family, friends and i are holding. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 28 2011, 12:54 PM)
Xuzen - how U calculate "the Jessen-Alpha ratio" for Public China Select Fund (PCSF) - 3 year average is of negative value.

Is it derived from some of the ratios from the Financial Planner software (fund performance)? Keypoh mar - want to run the numbers for other funds heheh, especially the ones my family, friends and i are holding.  tongue.gif
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J-A ratio = fund return - [risk free rate + Fund beta x (benchmark return - risk free rate) ]

J = Rj - [Rf - B.(Rm - Rf) ]

Quite a simple formula actually.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 28 2011, 01:13 PM)
J-A ratio = fund return - [risk free rate + Fund beta x (benchmark return - risk free rate) ]

J = Rj - [Rf - B.(Rm - Rf) ]

Quite a simple formula actually.

Xuzen
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risk free (Rf) rate = FD rate of 1month's term or 1yr's term? OR some other MM vehicle?

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 28 2011, 01:34 PM)
risk free (Rf) rate = FD rate of 1month's term or 1yr's term? OR some other MM vehicle?

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There is no hard and fast rule about Risk Free rate. Basically it is not defined. However, in the US, Rf is usually taken to be 10Year T-Bills.

I guess, Rf is something that is stable and unfluctuating.

Yeah, I use 12mths FD rate as Rf for my calculation.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 28 2011, 01:53 PM)
There is no hard and fast rule about Risk Free rate. Basically it is not defined. However, in the US, Rf is usually taken to be 10Year T-Bills.

I guess, Rf is something that is stable and unfluctuating.

Yeah, I use 12mths FD rate as Rf for my calculation.

Xuzen
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Good ol M'sia elek T-bills like that right? and even inflation-protected bonds/bills?

Good good 12mths FD rate. Domo arigato sensei Xuzen-sama
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post Jul 29 2011, 07:29 AM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Dec 9 2010, 12:44 AM)
overseas mutual fund such as Franklin Templeton, Fidelity and soo forth, some of the fund never declare distribution, so the initial launching price say USD10, can be go as high as USD60-70 for a period of time, the investment profit will be accumulated and push up the unit price, as long as no dividend is declared, then it is not taxable, so whenever investor wanna sell their unit, will sell at NAV and it is tax free. This thiingy will never happend in Msia
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We can invest in overseas mutual fund? How to do that?
I only have my publicmutualonline account.

Pls be guided. Thanks!

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QUOTE(Onlinemaniac @ Jul 29 2011, 07:29 AM)
We can invest in overseas mutual fund? How to do that?
I only have my publicmutualonline account.

Pls be guided. Thanks!
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do u meant
1) invest in a fund that run and managed by a mutual fund company that registered outside Malaysia like franklin templeton or
2) invest in a local mutual fund company that have funds in foreign equity exposures?

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post Jul 29 2011, 11:42 AM

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the reinvest dividend need how long only they will send the slip to me??thank u to those who are willing to answer my question.
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QUOTE(wenqing @ Jul 29 2011, 11:42 AM)
the reinvest dividend need how long only they will send the slip to me??thank u to those who are willing to answer my question.
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abt 1 month,...... if u hv online, u can c ur balance units in ur acc status.
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Jul 29 2011, 12:14 PM)
abt 1 month,...... if u hv online, u can c ur balance units in ur acc status.
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ok.thank u very much notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
so if my dividend out on 30june, i should have receive the slip around next week?
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 28 2011, 01:57 PM)
Good ol M'sia elek T-bills like that right? and even inflation-protected bonds/bills?

Good good 12mths FD rate. Domo arigato sensei Xuzen-sama
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For me I use the rate of 10 Yr MGS (Malaysian Govt Securities) which is currently about 3.9%. laugh.gif 20 Yr MGS ia about 4.2%.

You can get this data from your brokerage firm, under fixed Income category. wink.gif
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Its easy to change agent? How?
appreciate somebody can answer my question.
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QUOTE(koinibler @ Jul 29 2011, 07:03 PM)
Its easy to change agent? How?
appreciate somebody can answer my question.
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U can start new accounts with another agent
eg. if U already have PIX with Agent A,
now U open another PIX (different account number - dont worry, it'll be auto created) with Agent B.

However, if U are asking how to MOVE YOUR ENTIRE PORTFOLIO FROM Agent A to Agent B... not easy
You'll need 3 signoffs - U as the customer + your current Agent handling that portfolio + your new agent

Unless your current Agent loves U or is close to U, a bit.. colder than water chance... as yr current Agent gets "career benefit" from your equities and loaded funds held by U.

Hope the above clarifies more than rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(koinibler @ Jul 29 2011, 07:03 PM)
Its easy to change agent? How?
appreciate somebody can answer my question.
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an investor can hv more than 1 agent. as he/she wish.

- open new acc with other agents.
- u can leave ur current acc with ur existing agent.

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