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post Mar 18 2010, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(imax80 @ Mar 18 2010, 01:00 PM)
how to monitor NAV for certain UT fund for the latest one?
can i buy UT units online without UT agents, i want to control the U.T myself?
what charges involve?
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Which fund?

So that I can provide the link.

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post Mar 27 2010, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 26 2010, 07:51 PM)
1. ETF is very cost effective - plus point
2. ETF offering in Malaysia small choice - minus point
3. ETF volume is thinly traded - minus point
4. ETF mostly tracks the benchmark, won't do better or worse - Neutral point
5. ETF is passive investment not active - plus or minus depend on your standing  laugh.gif

Overall ETF in malaysia is minus point. If you want to play ETF you must venture out of Malaysia stock market.
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I wish in M'sia there are more low load index fund/ETFs.

My wish is to have low load index fund or ETF for the different indices.

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post Mar 31 2010, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(tungstenx @ Mar 31 2010, 03:10 PM)
got 10k epf to invest into PM. which new fund has the most potential now. i prefer agressive fund. would appreciate any advice. my UT agen a bit blur blur smile.gif
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For aggressive fund, Public Index (PIX).

For moderate aggressive, Public Islam Equity (PIEF).

There are some other good funds, but I don't know why for Public Mutual disallow so many funds when one is investing using EPF money.

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post Apr 6 2010, 05:20 PM

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Someone out there should start low load index linked funds that chooses not to outperform the index but just mirror the indices.

I wish there are finance index link funds, syariah index linked funds etc etc etc with 0.25% initial load like bond fund charge. No need to hire expensive fund managers. This fund should be for those investors that only need passive management, and will do the monitoring themselves.

Tall order? I hope they will have it soon....

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post May 1 2010, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ May 1 2010, 11:48 AM)
Unfortunately you can't invest with them directly from Malaysia as BNM does not allow foreign financial institutions (scared of the competition?). You will have to open an offshore investment account (distributor) and probably an foreign bank account to facilitate fund transfer.  laugh.gif
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Just travel across the causeway... open an account with their bank there. Contact a Financial Planner in SG.

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post May 25 2010, 11:28 PM

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Since I am now an agent, My EPF investment is only 1% sales charge... not bad being a PM UTC.

Only beef I have with PM is that some of the very good funds we cannot use the EPF portion to buy. Eg. PIBOND, PBF, PSF , PSMALLCAP

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post Jun 4 2010, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 2 2010, 12:07 AM)
Public Mutual declares distributions for 11 funds

Public Bank’s wholly-owned subsidiary, Public Mutual, declared distributions for eleven funds totalling over RM440 million. The gross distributions declared for the respective funds for the financial year ended 31 May 2010 are as follow:

Fund | Gross Distribution / Unit
Public Dividend Select Fund | 3.00 sen per unit
Public Ittikal Fund | 8.00 sen per unit
Public Islamic Equity Fund | 1.75 sen per unit
Public Islamic Select Treasures Fund | 1.25 sen per unit
Public Far-East Select Fund | 1.75 sen per unit
Public Regional Sector Fund | 1.75 sen per unit
Public Global Select Fund | 0.75 sen per unit
Public China Titans Fund | 1.50 sen per unit
PB ASEAN Dividend Fund | 1.50 sen per unit
Public Balanced Fund | 7.00 sen per unit
Public Select Bond Fund | 4.50 sen per unit

Public Mutual Chief Executive Officer Ms. Yeoh Kim Hong said Public Dividend Select Fund has generated a one-year return of 28.91% for the period ended 14 May 2010, according to The Edge-Lipper Fund Table dated 24 May 2010.

Meanwhile, Public Ittikal Fund and Public Islamic Equity Fund have generated one-year returns of 21.78% and 23.97% respectively for the period ended 14 May 2010. Public Ittikal Fund, which was launched in 1997, is an award winning fund, having received a total of 20 awards in its category from The Edge-Lipper Malaysia Fund Awards and The Star/Standard & Poor’s Investment Fund Awards Malaysia.

Public Islamic Select Treasures Fund, which was launched in 2008, has generated a one-year return of 21.54% for the period ended 14 May 2010. This fund is open for EPF Members Investment Scheme.

URL: http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...rls_100601_1700
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I own some units in one of the funds listed above. Since the distribution was @31-5-2010 as of today (4-6-2010) the extra units (I chose the auto re-invest option) are still not credited into my accounts yet. Does PM take such a long time or is there something wrong?

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post Jun 7 2010, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(guanteik @ Jun 4 2010, 11:07 PM)
@xuzen,David83
From my experience, the auditor of PM needs at least one weekend to calculate the returns, so you will be able to know by next Monday.


Added on June 4, 2010, 11:57 pmGuys, FYI the distribution is in already smile.gif Please check from PMO
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Yup, they credited the units into my a/c on Mon, 7-6-2010.

QUOTE(David83)
I think they take time to do that. I also wondering why so slow. How you check? Through PMO or Telemutual?


I checked using PMO.

One more noobie question:

Will I get any physical document about the distribution for tax purposes? I also want to know how much PM take as Managerial/Admin expenses as the distribution credited is less than what I had calculated.

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post Jun 18 2010, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jun 8 2010, 08:18 PM)
gark,

It has nothing to do with marketing gimmick or confusion. The reason is simple. It is easier to manage funds with smaller size than funds with gargantuan size. By introducing new funds, the fund managers can easily manage 5 funds with total NAV of RM1 billion, rather than 1 fund with NAV of RM1 billion.
jeff_ckf,

I am not really sure of the data used, because different rating companies use different approach, but I would assume it is the net change in NAV for the year and the distributions paid out for the year.
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Annual Rate of Rtn =
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(Price at end of period - Price at the begin period + any distribution)/Price at the begin period


Annualised Rate of rtn = same formula as above but multiply by ^1/n where n= # of year

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post Jun 21 2010, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 21 2010, 12:33 AM)
Please check your statement or the dividend slip.

The number of units you get through reinvest is based on the NAV that reinvest is executed.
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Hi David83,

The distribution was done on 31-5-2010. Today is 21-6-2010 (3weeks already) and I have not receive any physical documents about my distribution. Does PM takes such a long time to send out the statement?

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QUOTE(mois @ Jun 27 2010, 02:24 PM)
Hi unitholders, currently im helping my mother to plan our family funds. First of all, she invest in PM around 1996 and invest rm500 monthly until today for my sister. Which bring a total of 172k. She just blindly invest only. However, few weeks ago my mom opened another 1 account for me. Total 108k. I dont understand how the 5.5% charge works. Now my mum got around 120k in amanah saham wawasan 2020. So after ASW2020 pay out the interests, she plans to transfer all the money into PM. So here are the questions:
1. Should we put 120k into my sister's one? Based on my calculation, the returns for this year based on my sister account is 12%. Total amount invested rm61k+, and the return is 7k+(this is for 1 fund. got another fund i dont know the amount)

Sorry im secondary school leaver so i dont know much about unit trust or mutual fund. Learning it now by the way. Because im solely looking at the return % only. Assuming invest 500k with minimum 8.5% return, can get RM42500 annually which is more than enough to bear my education fees + living expenses in college.

2. If put 120k into my account, will the return as high as in putting 120k into my sister account?
3. Is that worth to transfer all FD from other banks into PM?
4. I heard some people say PM is riskier than amanah saham. But from my POV, lately many rumors that government will bankrupt and bla bla due to corruptions. This make me trust PM more than ASW2020 but we still need to prepare for the worst case scenario. So if PM really going down, what to do? withdraw all the money?
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Mois,

i) 5.5 % works this way; let's say you invest RM 100,000 into X funds. Public Mutual will only invest using RM 100,000/1.055 = RM 94,786.73. The RM 5,213.27 will be deducted as initial charge. Half of this goes to the agent, and the other will go to Pub Mut i.e., RM 5,213.27/2 =RM 2,606.63

ii) No, it is not a good idea to put all the money from FD to PM. Maintain at least 6 months work of your average monthly expenditure in FD to cushion against emergency.

iii) Only ASB has less risk simply because their buy/sell price is artificially maintained at RM 1.00/unit with regards to how market perform. I would put ASB more like a capital guarantee fund.

Next a little comment on your PRSF (Public regular saving Fund) and PIttikal:

PRSF is moderately performing, Pittikal is lousy performing. My comment is based on my computation of the funds using Jessen-Alpha Ratio and Treynor ratio.

NB: I have access to the funds Beta, benchmark rtn and KLIBOR rtn. Better funds are PBGF (Public Bank Growth Fund) and PSF (Public Saving Fund) not Public Regular Saving Funds. Please note my comment are strictly based on 3 year average historical mathematical modeling. As always, past performance may not reflect the future performance.

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P/S Jessen-Alpha & Treynor ratio are mathematical model for evaluating unit trust, if you do not understand them don't worry, you are not expected too. But you can google them to appreciate them further.

This post has been edited by xuzen: Jun 28 2010, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(idunnolol @ Jul 1 2010, 04:28 PM)
i just checked with PM, Most of my dad's fund were bought at 2007 ogos. Put in a total of 59k and now value is 62k.

Already lost out to inflation  rclxub.gif
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[[(Rm62,000 - RM 59,000)/RM 59,000]^(1/22)]x12 = 2.7735% annualized rtn from Aug'2007 until today (Jun 2010)

The above is with assumption that the dividend payout is reinvested. Idunolol, please let us know which fund is it so I can also avoid it like the Bubonic plaque.

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QUOTE(gark @ Jul 1 2010, 04:52 PM)
Well he bought near the peak (end 2007) so even if it is a good fund, the loss and poor performance is inevitable.  tongue.gif
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Yeah, mea culpa. Must also measure against the fund's benchmark.

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QUOTE(idunnolol @ Jul 1 2010, 08:30 PM)
IIRC my dad have a fund that is public islamic dividend fund. Return is absolutely rubbish with 5.1k in  at 2007 and now only 5.2k

Was thinking to put them into highly aggressive fund such as Small Cap
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My data shows that the annualized 3 year rtn is at 6.69% vs benchmark 2.03% (KLSE EMAS SHARIAH). Having performed 3 times better than benchmark is not too bad. It is not the best performing PM fund, but it beat its benchmark.


To Dannyme,

If the fund underperform the benchmark, I too will be pissed off. Just switch to a fund. The charge is RM 25.00 per switch irrespective of amt.

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QUOTE(idunnolol @ Jul 2 2010, 06:26 PM)
Dear xuzen. Can you show how you get the 6% return as as the simple profit now is only a 1.9% increase and an online calculator show an annualized return of 0.649 % only
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I got the 3-Yr annualised 6.xx% from the monthly report that PM send to me.

But the actual mathematical formula is quite easy:

Annualised return = [[Dividend received + End period NAV - Begin period NAV]/Begin Period NAV]^1/n -1 where n = periods (can be day, month or year)

Since I do not have the raw data of your fund, I will just based on the report supplied by PM.

You can calculate the annualised rtn using the above formula.

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QUOTE(elvenchou1987 @ Jul 14 2010, 11:30 AM)
Dear Gark,

Could you share your insight with us why you would say that DCA is rubbish? My agent recommended me to invest by DCA.

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This are my thoughts regarding DCA:

i) DCA is not a strategy to maximize or guarantee profit; it is a strategy to minimize volatility esp for passive investors.

ii) DCA is not the only strategy to use for financial planning but many UTCs harp on DCA making it as though it is the end all and be all of financial planning.

iii) For passive investor, use asset allocation whilst utilizing DCA as the entry strategy is doubly more effective. It was explain to me during my CFP class. Some research done in the US previously. I do not have the actual paper, it was mentioned "in-passe" by the lecturer.

iv) Recently I read in a personal finance journal , the next in-thing about personal investing is called value-investing. This is basically a re-branding of the "buy a lot at trough; buy less at peak" strategy.

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QUOTE(MNet @ Dec 20 2010, 10:24 PM)
PM cannot fight AMB now.

I switch all my ittikal fund to AMB value trust.
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I know that this is an extremely good performing fund. May I know how much is the initial charge and is it sold via banks like Maybank or ASNB counter? Thanks.

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QUOTE(dayvarn @ Jan 11 2011, 02:01 PM)
hi...
i'm planning to invest around 6k in PM... but i'm confuse which fund that can give maximum profit but low risk...
1) i plan to invest either in PB ITTIKAL, PSF OR PRSF... which one is better?
2) do i need to invest into these 3 funds?
please help me...
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Choose PSF & PRSF. Skip PB Ittikal coz it suxs.

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QUOTE(specializedmin @ Jan 11 2011, 09:53 PM)
i hv invested 1k in PB Indonesia Balanced Fund and 10k in2 PB Fixed Income Fund.  Worth 2 invest? Nid some advices frm pro ppl
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PBFI is good, PB Indonesia Balanced... not sure, too new, no track record to base on.

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Added on January 12, 2011, 12:19 pm
QUOTE(dayvarn @ Jan 11 2011, 06:02 PM)
thank you for ur opinion...
juz wanna ask if u have invested one these 2 funds on how many percentage of the return?
thank you,,, nod.gif  nod.gif
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I have not invested in these two funds, my opinion is based on the calculated Jensen-Alpha Ratio.

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QUOTE(howszat @ Jan 12 2011, 10:40 PM)
And has the Jensen thing actually done anything useful (profitable) for you?, or is it just something you found on wiki?


No it is not something I found on wiki. It is a analytical tool one learn as a student of finance theory.

Just like P/PBV, PE ratio, DCM which are useful tools to compare performers vs laggards.

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