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semerah padi
post Jun 23 2011, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 14 2011, 05:23 PM)
1.) What kind of risk taker are you?

2.) What is your objective by investing? Pay loan? Buy House? Buy car?
If you are for paying loan, maybe you can opt to take up some performing bonds, so that after a period of time, you can pay back one big lump of money. Bond are rather conservative and save, less risk exposed compared to equity linked fund. So your money invested will be exposed to lesser risk, and you will still be able to pay up those loan from the bond fund that you had invested in case when the market turnaround, as the prices are more stagnant, and less volatile.

If you are for buying cars, house.. Maybe you can opt to go for some moderate to aggressive risk's fund. As house and car is for future plan, you would hope to use a tool that can help you to grow your money more so that you can get your dream house or dream car with a habitual saving plan. The reason i suggest/promote equity linked is because buying a new house/car is not so top a priority if compare to loan. Loan is an obligation to repay, therefore, the tools being used should not put you into more trouble, which is capital loss.

3.) What kind of investor are you? short, medium or long term? Here in mutual fund, we are talking at least 3 years investment to be able to see result.

4.) Are you a one time off investor? Or you will invest consistently (Allocating money each month for investment)?
If you are a one time off with big amount of money (More than 10k), probably you would like to diversified into a few other fund to reduce risk. And get updated with the market condition from time to time, so you can know when is the good time to switch, exit, enter again.

For standing instruction (monthly basis), just invest.. probably some switching in between when market is down, or just continue to get more unit to maximize the ringgit cost averaging. Market down, cost per unit cheaper, so can get more unit with the same amount of investment. Market up, unit cost more expensive.

Anyhow, above is just a simple assessment to understand your own, and to select a correct investment vehicle according to your character, and ability to tolerate on the risk.
Remember, if you do not feel comfortable investing, don't invest at all. Invest only if you are comfortable to do so.
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Added on June 23, 2011, 4:25 pmThks your info-Bonescythe.

Objective-
Iam 29 Year old, planning to saving for my children education for 10-15 years or for my retrenchment.

Kind investor-
I plan start to invest used my EPF every 3 month (Average RM 2K) to invest equity fund (PIOGF & PIEF) and every RM100/month (P Ittikal). Its Ok..????? or any fund suitable for me?

What time frame we can switch our fund? Price? what price we can switch? for example P ittikal lunch price RM0.95 (Since 1997) early Feb 2011 price 0.970 and now price RM0.8892. what price suitable for switch?
other factor we can determine before switch?

Please advice???????




This post has been edited by semerah padi: Jun 23 2011, 04:25 PM
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post Jun 23 2011, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(semerah padi @ Jun 23 2011, 04:04 PM)

Added on June 23, 2011, 4:25 pmThks your info-Bonescythe.

Objective-
Iam 29 Year old, planning to saving for my children education for 10-15 years or for my retrenchment.

Kind investor-
I plan start to invest used my EPF every 3 month (Average RM 2K) to invest equity fund (PIOGF & PIEF) and every RM100/month (P Ittikal). Its Ok..????? or any fund suitable for me?

What time frame we can switch our fund? Price? what price we can switch? for example P ittikal lunch price RM0.95 (Since 1997) early Feb 2011 price 0.970 and now price RM0.8892. what price suitable for switch?
other factor we can determine before switch?

Please advice???????
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There are a lot of funds and depends on which type of funds are you interested in. Any is there any specific reason as to why you are looking forward to switch funds in the future?
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post Jun 23 2011, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(semerah padi @ Jun 23 2011, 04:04 PM)

Added on June 23, 2011, 4:25 pmThks your info-Bonescythe.

Objective-
Iam 29 Year old, planning to saving for my children education for 10-15 years or for my retrenchment.

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Before you start up your investment plan, you must know what is your eventual target & time frame. How much would you need, 200k? 500k? 1 mil? 2mil? Then maybe we can work it out from there. laugh.gif
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post Jun 23 2011, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(semerah padi @ Jun 23 2011, 04:04 PM)

Added on June 23, 2011, 4:25 pmThks your info-Bonescythe.

Objective-
Iam 29 Year old, planning to saving for my children education for 10-15 years or for my retrenchment.

Kind investor-
I plan start to invest used my EPF every 3 month (Average RM 2K) to invest equity fund (PIOGF & PIEF) and every RM100/month (P Ittikal). Its Ok..????? or any fund suitable for me?

What time frame we can switch our fund? Price? what price we can switch? for example P ittikal lunch price RM0.95 (Since 1997) early Feb 2011 price 0.970 and now price RM0.8892. what price suitable for switch?
other factor we can determine before switch?

Please advice???????
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Children or Retrenchment.. I would say this 2 is totally not same.. So better use 2 separate investment vehicle.

For retrenchment, I am sure, this is something that no one will want to play a gamble on it. Because, it is the time where you are not working, and totally dependent on it.
Go for Bond.. Conservative risk investment, with a month standing instruction. RM100 will be nice smile.gif
Performing PB Bond can beat inflation, and less volatile overall.

For children studies.. Can go for medium risk. Uni fee are definitely shooting like rocket in the future. Since you got 10-15 years to prepare, PEF/PSF is good, because at a long run, you can maximize your dollar averaging. And from past performance, although very volatile, but the gain vs risk is good. As long as you keep on the standing instruction.
I could suggest PEF/PSF for your children education in the future.

On switching. Switching can be good if you will monitor on the UT prices, especially on high risk - medium risk UT.
Switching will be good when the market tend to go down. So switch to other fund first to maintain capital value.
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post Jun 23 2011, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(semerah padi @ Jun 23 2011, 04:04 PM)

Added on June 23, 2011, 4:25 pmThks your info-Bonescythe.

Objective-
Iam 29 Year old, planning to saving for my children education for 10-15 years or for my retrenchment.

Kind investor-
I plan start to invest used my EPF every 3 month (Average RM 2K) to invest equity fund (PIOGF & PIEF) and every RM100/month (P Ittikal). Its Ok..????? or any fund suitable for me?

What time frame we can switch our fund? Price? what price we can switch? for example P ittikal lunch price RM0.95 (Since 1997) early Feb 2011 price 0.970 and now price RM0.8892. what price suitable for switch?
other factor we can determine before switch?

Please advice???????
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Retirement plan;
the fund u choosed its ok for epf scheme. p ittikal fund is close for new investor.

why u choose aggressive fund for epf scheme and moderate p.ittikal for cash/regular . is it for free ins? if u looking for moderate fund, PIDF pun ok-lah since p.ittikal not available. u still can go for aggressive for cash investment if u an aggressive investor. or can maintain as moderate to balanced ur portfolio.

hv u to plan how much u need for ur retirment. if not pls click here.


Education plan;
how many children u hv? what is the cource/study ur children going to take? what is the current fees and FV?
u can do education plan for ur children by clicking here.

study the funds, the asset allocation and some other relevant info in master prospectus and qtrly fund review. u may track the past performance as well.


Added on June 23, 2011, 7:04 pm
QUOTE(kparam77 @ Jun 23 2011, 06:53 PM)
Retirement plan;
the fund u choosed its ok for epf scheme. p ittikal fund is close for new investor.

why u choose aggressive fund for epf scheme and moderate p.ittikal for cash/regular . is it for free ins? if u looking for moderate fund, PIDF pun ok-lah since p.ittikal not available. u still can go for aggressive for cash investment if u an aggressive investor. or can maintain as moderate to balanced ur portfolio.

hv u to plan how much u need for ur retirment. if not pls click here.
Education plan;
how many children u hv? what is the cource/study ur children going to take? what is the current fees and FV?
u can do education plan for ur children by clicking here.

study the funds, the asset allocation and some other relevant info in master prospectus and qtrly fund review. u may track the past performance as well.
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u only need to switch to save ur investment. if not, switching is not need.

don't confuce with unit price movement. if u plan, go for long term, not need to worry abt price movemennt. just make sure ur investment value is gaining and accumulation of ur units.

u can do switching if any major correction/crach in the market. u need to set ur stop lost value...maybe 10-20% or less than 10% to save ur investment and switch to low risk funds/bond/money market. and switch back whe the market recover. bear in mind, there are fees and charges for switching which u can read in master prospectus.

This post has been edited by kparam77: Jun 23 2011, 07:04 PM
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post Jun 23 2011, 08:10 PM

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I just realise that I need 5000 units in P Ittikal only entitled for the insurance. sad.gif

I got 4700 units, can I top up another 300 units since I'm not new investor and this fund alr closed?
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 23 2011, 10:05 AM)
Yeap.. That is right
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Means that if now i start for DDI invest in PsmallCap,
is it still available for invest ??
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post Jun 23 2011, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(Felice821 @ Jun 23 2011, 08:10 PM)
I just realise that I need 5000 units in P Ittikal only entitled for the insurance. sad.gif

I got 4700 units, can I top up another 300 units since I'm not new investor and this fund alr closed?
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No, DDI only for those sign up before the fund close. but ur units will accumulates when there is distribution or unit split in future. no worries 300 units is not too far to reach 5000 units.

best of luck
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post Jun 24 2011, 06:09 AM

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Hi.. I'm newbie..

1) is it a good time to start investing in PM?
2) lets say i have 5k to invest and timeframe 2-3 years, which fund is suitable for me to grow most money?

Thanks..
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QUOTE(mfa333 @ Jun 24 2011, 06:09 AM)
Hi.. I'm newbie..

1) is it a good time to start investing in PM?
2) lets say i have 5k to invest and timeframe 2-3 years, which fund is suitable for me to grow most money?

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Hi mfa333.
1) If U ask any Sales agents, any time is a good time to start investing in PM tongue.gif
a. IMHO, best time is after a nice market crash OR when U have a working crystal ball if you're doing lump sum injection of $.

b. If you're injecting $ quarterly / periodically using Dollar Cost Averaging or better yet, Value Averaging, for at least 3 to 5 years, then anytime is nearly as good as any.


2) $5K and U want to take out by 3 years time max? Er.. IMHO, better stick with FD and Bond funds. In Equity funds / market, you'll never know how high is high, how low is low. Look at 1997 just as the currency crisis hit MY. It looked to have bottomed out and started moving up in early 1998 up to about 700 points +/- if my memory aint too foggy. However, in later part of 1998, the fall was even worse - KLCI 200+ points only.

Bottomline - IMHO, whatever U put into equity markets, ESPECIALLY ones that charges U 3% or 5.5% upfront (ie. U lose straight away that amount), U better be prepared for the long haul of 5 to 10 years.
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post Jun 24 2011, 08:26 AM

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takanlah u tak tahu.....u r senior member since 2003 and already more 2492 posts.......... testing kah??

mfa = mutual fund agent??

1. unit trust - buy cheap and sell hign to make profits. so study the market for better/best timing.

2. unit trust - medium to long term. below 2-3 yrs not recommended. as current market trend, moderate/aggressive funds is the option but cannot guarantee the returns.


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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Jun 24 2011, 08:26 AM)
takanlah u tak tahu.....u r senior member since 2003  and already more 2492 posts.......... testing kah??

mfa = mutual fund agent??

1. unit trust - buy cheap and sell hign to make profits. so study the market for better/best timing.

2. unit trust - medium to long term. below 2-3 yrs not recommended. as current market trend, moderate/aggressive  funds is the option but cannot guarantee the returns.
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KParam77, mfa may be a senior member since 2003 and with 2K+ posts... in other topics or threads. LYN has many threads / topics, most of which doesnt fall into Mutual Funds. brows.gif Click on his name by the left side, U'll see he mostly post in my ex-favorite gaming console, "Playstation" tongue.gif

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post Jun 24 2011, 12:25 PM

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@kparam77
LOL! i'm newbie in public mutual for serious. Most of my time in lowyat forum involves in playstation, apple, education and others. This is my 2nd post in sub-forum Finance, Business and Investment House.


So, 5k is too small to invest in PM? Actually I got spare 5k and was thinking maybe this small amount can be my kickstart for a journey towards financial freedom. I'm 24 and just graduated. So, i think it's best to start early right?

@wongmunkeong
As mentioned by you, FD is fixed deposit by commercial bank? and what is bond funds?

for DCA, RM100/mth is enough? tongue.gif

reason i'm choosing 3 years term is i target to get married in 3 years from now.. tongue.gif or else, grow the money to pay my study loan.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Jun 24 2011, 08:26 AM)
takanlah u tak tahu.....u r senior member since 2003  and already more 2492 posts.......... testing kah??

mfa = mutual fund agent??

1. unit trust - buy cheap and sell hign to make profits. so study the market for better/best timing.

2. unit trust - medium to long term. below 2-3 yrs not recommended. as current market trend, moderate/aggressive  funds is the option but cannot guarantee the returns.
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Actually.. I just joined Mutual Fund only..

Any sifu can teach me how to do Mutual Fund? smile.gif
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QUOTE(mfa333 @ Jun 24 2011, 12:25 PM)
@kparam77
LOL! i'm newbie in public mutual for serious. Most of my time in lowyat forum involves in playstation, apple, education and others. This is my 2nd post in sub-forum Finance, Business and Investment House.
So, 5k is too small to invest in PM? Actually I got spare 5k and was thinking maybe this small amount can be my kickstart for a journey towards financial freedom. I'm 24 and just graduated. So, i think it's best to start early right?

@wongmunkeong
As mentioned by you, FD is fixed deposit by commercial bank? and what is bond funds?

for DCA, RM100/mth is enough? tongue.gif

reason i'm choosing 3 years term is i target to get married in 3 years from now.. tongue.gif or else, grow the money to pay my study loan.. laugh.gif
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Bro MFA.
1. $100/mth is enough PER fund for DCA


HOWEVER...
2. since U want to use the $ in 3 years time (ie. use it up right?) for marriage OR study loan,
may i know what's yr %pa U are paying in interest for your study loan?
AND your expected total amount for marriage costs?

look, we've got 2 things to compare here:
a. capital + returns on investment / fixed income VS amount expected to be contributed from your seed of $5K to marriage cost
eg. U want your $5K to grow to $8K to cover a $20K total cost, balance covered by other things?

b. returns on investment %pa VS your study loan %pa charges

Fixed D %pa is widely available - do the comparison to (a.) & (b.) cool?

Bond Funds are mutual funds that invests solely in Bonds and similar vehicles for fixed income. The average returns pa ranges from 4%pa to 8%pa. Mind U, i've seen 11%pa+ before for Public Mutuals tongue.gif but that is EXTRAordinary. I'm talking about normal average.


Keep in mind still - your 2 to 3 years doesn't favor Equity Funds due to the reasons i mentioned earlier.


Added on June 24, 2011, 12:52 pm
QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 24 2011, 12:33 PM)
Actually.. I just joined Mutual Fund only..

Any sifu can teach me how to do Mutual Fund? smile.gif
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Wei Bro BoneScythe, trolling the Sales Agents here ka? brows.gif
Dont lar set an ambush & bushwhack tongue.gif

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need some info from u-,

1. ur age -?
2. ur risk profile - conserveative/moderate/aggressive?
3. waht is ur investment objective? retirement/education or just for saving?
4. want to make use epf scheme?

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 24 2011, 12:33 PM)
Actually.. I just joined Mutual Fund only..

Any sifu can teach me how to do Mutual Fund? smile.gif
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You too 'expert' play shares already. tongue.gif No need to play Mutual fund, it will be too boring for you. laugh.gif

Basically buying mutual fund is like buying shares, just instead looking at individual companies, you have to look at macroeconomics, in terms of countries, sectors & type of instrument. wink.gif Example, if you think china is going to be 'hot' then buy china based fund. If you think china going to go down, the maybe sell or switch (to safer items like bond (just think of REITs) and then buy on the dip. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 24 2011, 12:57 PM)
You too 'expert' play shares already.  tongue.gif No need to play Mutual fund, it will be too boring for you.  laugh.gif

Basically buying mutual fund is like buying shares, just instead looking at individual companies, you have to look at macroeconomics, in terms of countries, sectors & type of instrument.  wink.gif Example, if you think china is going to be 'hot' then  buy china based fund. If you think china going to go down, the maybe sell or switch (to safer items like bond (just think of REITs) and then buy on the dip.  laugh.gif
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No la. High risk, heart attack also faster come sad.gif
Shares sometimes will anytime up down left right front back cucuk.. I got a lot of holes already.. Haha

Ask everyone opinion.

Saving for Retirement and Children education.

Assuming Mode of investment is DDI monthly.
Do you recommend this 2 to combine and go into 1 fund?
Or 2 separate fund? Retirement 1, and Child Education 1.

And now assuming mode of investment is 1 time off. 50k per 1 time off.
Do you recommend this 2 to combine or separate into 2 fund?

Just want to see what are the opinion from you guys.
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 24 2011, 02:04 PM)
No la. High risk, heart attack also faster come sad.gif
Shares sometimes will anytime up down left right front back cucuk.. I got a lot of holes already.. Haha

Ask everyone opinion.

Saving for Retirement and Children education.

Assuming Mode of investment is DDI monthly.
Do you recommend this 2 to combine and go into 1 fund?
Or 2 separate fund? Retirement 1, and Child Education 1.

And now assuming mode of investment is 1 time off. 50k per 1 time off.
Do you recommend this 2 to combine or separate into 2 fund?

Just want to see what are the opinion from you guys.
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I'll bite tongue.gif

Personally, i'd need to know 2 more variables:
a. The time horizon for retirement = XX years

b. The time horizon for children's education = YY years


Your 1st Q
Assuming Mode of investment is DDI monthly.
Do you recommend this 2 to combine and go into 1 fund?
Or 2 separate fund? Retirement 1, and Child Education 1.

Ass-U-ming that XX years & YY years are at least 6 yrs away:
+ I'll combine these 2 "reasons" into the same mutual funds (if i'm limited to mutual funds only).
Reasoning = $ is $ and since the timeline is far enough, why complicate things with different accounts (mutual fund accounts)?
+ However, i'd do at least 2 to 3 mutual funds for Asset Allocation & Sub Asset Allocation reasons, not just 1 fund.
Reasoning = obviously to reduce single Asset risk while maintaining expected returns.


Your 2nd Q
And now assuming mode of investment is 1 time off. 50k per 1 time off.
Do you recommend this 2 to combine or separate into 2 fund?

Ass-U-ming that XX years & YY years are at least 6 yrs away:
+ Same response as above


Realistically however..
+i'd never do a lump sum $50K UNLESS it's like less than 20% of my net worth
+i'd have better things to do with a lump sum of $50K cash than give PM 2.75% of it + the (Govt 26%*2.75%) of it tongue.gif
+i'm not that lazy to do DDI except to take advantage of Agent's Investment / Pink, ie. investing at NAV. I'd rather do Value Averaging every quarter or 1/2 yearly

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 24 2011, 02:04 PM)
No la. High risk, heart attack also faster come sad.gif
Shares sometimes will anytime up down left right front back cucuk.. I got a lot of holes already.. Haha

Ask everyone opinion.

Saving for Retirement and Children education.

Assuming Mode of investment is DDI monthly.
Do you recommend this 2 to combine and go into 1 fund?
Or 2 separate fund? Retirement 1, and Child Education 1.

And now assuming mode of investment is 1 time off. 50k per 1 time off.
Do you recommend this 2 to combine or separate into 2 fund?

Just want to see what are the opinion from you guys.
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Assume u r a high risk taker.

for DDI, better 2 diff acconts/funds.

for 50K, still 2 diff acc/funds. (25k x 2) but not need to pump 1 time. maybe 5k or 10k, whnever u c the correction or lower unit price, just enter to average down ur buying price..

happy investing.

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