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wongmunkeong
post Jun 13 2011, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Jun 13 2011, 01:59 PM)
This fund already closed. If not chase after hot fund, we should look at what fund then? Normally i refer to lipperleader and morningstar. But got to agree this fund i think need at least 3 years to see the return. Buy peak during 2007 and break even early 2010. So holding power is important here  brows.gif
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I think the best mindset would be "Any $ put into investments must be $ unneeded for >=5yrs". Thus, no urgency tongue.gif
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post Jun 13 2011, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Jun 13 2011, 01:59 PM)
This fund already closed. If not chase after hot fund, we should look at what fund then? Normally i refer to lipperleader and morningstar. But got to agree this fund i think need at least 3 years to see the return. Buy peak during 2007 and break even early 2010. So holding power is important here  brows.gif

I think hot funds are much better than those new funds. Especially those with good record since 10 years ago.
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The fund re-opened recently, lots of money flow in due to funds 'historical performance'. For me I don't look at fund performance over short term, usually need to gauge >5 years, ideally 10 years. Earning stability is much more important than one time performance. Also look at the fund turnover, if it is more than 100%, that means the manager is actively trading and not investing. I hold smallcap fund since 2001, so I am not the least worried. Lipper and Morningstar are good guides but your own due diligence is more important. Also look at the overall stock market PE ratio before you buy, to avoid getting caught during bull run. Now KLSE's PE ratio is about 17x, 2011 forward PE is 15x is it cheap or expensive? You decide. tongue.gif
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post Jun 13 2011, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jun 13 2011, 02:01 PM)
I think the best mindset would be "Any $ put into investments must be $ unneeded for >=5yrs". Thus, no urgency  tongue.gif
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Indeed laugh.gif But youngsters mindset gonna be like "put in $$, must see money after 1 month". tongue.gif
Honestly i think investment really need a good mindset and good emotion control. Some people say short term investment is bad because might get burned. Is this really true? I see some of them make a decent profit.

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post Jun 13 2011, 03:47 PM

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What is the best bond fund currently still open under Public Mutual? What you think of Public Select Bond? I need to have an option to park all my equities funds when the market is experiencing serious downtrend.
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post Jun 13 2011, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(milentechie @ Jun 13 2011, 03:47 PM)
WTA
What is the best bond fund currently still open under Public Mutual? What you think of Public Select Bond? I need to have an option to park all my equities funds when the market is experiencing serious downtrend.
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as for now, 'best' bond fund opened for investment is PBFI
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post Jun 13 2011, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Jun 13 2011, 02:13 PM)
Indeed  laugh.gif  But youngsters mindset gonna be like "put in $$, must see money after 1 month".  tongue.gif
Honestly i think investment really need a good mindset and good emotion control. Some people say short term investment is bad because might get burned. Is this really true? I see some of them make a decent profit.
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Mois, my momma says if we play with fire... tongue.gif
If we need that lump sum of cash within 1 yr or worse, in a few months' time, AND we gungho threw it into an Equity mutual fund, i bet U statistically that person will be BURNT. I dont want to bet against statistical probabilities brows.gif

Of course, unless they have a crystal ball OR the market has fallen 40% or more (less risky, but still time-risk to "return to mean" is there VS need to use that $ in several months) lar blush.gif
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post Jun 14 2011, 09:24 AM

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Wonder if anyone knows is there a cost and limit to switch one fund to another?
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QUOTE(kucingfight @ Jun 13 2011, 04:51 PM)
as for now, 'best' bond fund opened for investment is PBFI
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Thanks for the suggestion. But, I don't think I can switch fund from my existing Public fund to PB fund.
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post Jun 14 2011, 03:12 PM

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HOW ABOUT PM VS CIMB WEALTH FUND CURRENT SITUATION???
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QUOTE(semerah padi @ Jun 14 2011, 03:12 PM)
HOW ABOUT PM VS CIMB WEALTH FUND CURRENT SITUATION???
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What u meant by current situation?
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post Jun 14 2011, 04:28 PM

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which one fund better to invest?
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post Jun 14 2011, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(semerah padi @ Jun 14 2011, 04:28 PM)
which one fund better to invest?
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what is your target? How many years do you willing to invest? U want low risk or high risk?
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QUOTE(semerah padi @ Jun 14 2011, 04:28 PM)
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1.) What kind of risk taker are you?

2.) What is your objective by investing? Pay loan? Buy House? Buy car?
If you are for paying loan, maybe you can opt to take up some performing bonds, so that after a period of time, you can pay back one big lump of money. Bond are rather conservative and save, less risk exposed compared to equity linked fund. So your money invested will be exposed to lesser risk, and you will still be able to pay up those loan from the bond fund that you had invested in case when the market turnaround, as the prices are more stagnant, and less volatile.

If you are for buying cars, house.. Maybe you can opt to go for some moderate to aggressive risk's fund. As house and car is for future plan, you would hope to use a tool that can help you to grow your money more so that you can get your dream house or dream car with a habitual saving plan. The reason i suggest/promote equity linked is because buying a new house/car is not so top a priority if compare to loan. Loan is an obligation to repay, therefore, the tools being used should not put you into more trouble, which is capital loss.

3.) What kind of investor are you? short, medium or long term? Here in mutual fund, we are talking at least 3 years investment to be able to see result.

4.) Are you a one time off investor? Or you will invest consistently (Allocating money each month for investment)?
If you are a one time off with big amount of money (More than 10k), probably you would like to diversified into a few other fund to reduce risk. And get updated with the market condition from time to time, so you can know when is the good time to switch, exit, enter again.

For standing instruction (monthly basis), just invest.. probably some switching in between when market is down, or just continue to get more unit to maximize the ringgit cost averaging. Market down, cost per unit cheaper, so can get more unit with the same amount of investment. Market up, unit cost more expensive.

Anyhow, above is just a simple assessment to understand your own, and to select a correct investment vehicle according to your character, and ability to tolerate on the risk.
Remember, if you do not feel comfortable investing, don't invest at all. Invest only if you are comfortable to do so.

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post Jun 14 2011, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(XboX720 @ Jun 14 2011, 09:24 AM)
Wonder if anyone knows is there a cost and limit to switch one fund to another?
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Yes, it is covered in the Master Prospectus. Page 35 and 36. It is summarized in table form for easier understanding.
You can actually get the PDF version at Public Mutual website. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(XboX720 @ Jun 14 2011, 09:24 AM)
Wonder if anyone knows is there a cost and limit to switch one fund to another?
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Depends.. If you switch within 3 months after purchasing the fund, fees will be higher.

If you switch after 3 months, switching to Money Market fund will be free, but switching back to other fund from money market fund will have some minor charges.

For more info, ask your consultant about it
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post Jun 15 2011, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 13 2011, 02:11 PM)
The fund re-opened recently, lots of money flow in due to funds 'historical performance'. For me I don't look at fund performance over short term, usually need to gauge >5 years, ideally 10 years. Earning stability is much more important than one time performance. Also look at the fund turnover, if it is more than 100%, that means the manager is actively trading and not investing. I hold smallcap fund since 2001, so I am not the least worried. Lipper and Morningstar are good guides but your own due diligence is more important. Also look at the overall stock market PE ratio before you buy, to avoid getting caught during bull run. Now KLSE's PE ratio is about 17x, 2011 forward PE is 15x is it cheap or expensive? You decide.  tongue.gif
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the fund is reopen? can please clarify? thank you=)
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post Jun 15 2011, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(cashzz @ Jun 15 2011, 06:00 PM)
the fund is reopen? can please clarify? thank you=)
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If not mistaken, it is already closed back, too much 'heat' sweat.gif . Anyone can confirm?
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post Jun 15 2011, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jun 14 2011, 08:05 PM)
Depends.. If you switch within 3 months after purchasing the fund, fees will be higher.
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Please supply a link, or any other source of official PM information which states this 3-month/higher-fees condition.

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QUOTE(howszat @ Jun 15 2011, 09:04 PM)
Please supply a link, or any other source of official PM information which states this 3-month/higher-fees condition.
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I don't think there are any links from the official PM website.

Well, actually I cannot say that within 3 month, switching will be more expensive either.. My bad. Because it depends on where do you switch to, and the value of the switching.

My initial reply was based on value more than 10k. That is why I say more expensive if you switch within 3 month.
After 3 months, most switching fee are fixed or free if go to money market fund.

Minimum switching is 1000 unit per switch.

PIN Bond minimum will need 1million unit as minimum switching quota.

Within 90 days

Recipient Fund -----------Equity/Balanced---------Bond/Fixed Income------------M.Market
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Switch out from

Equity/Balanced----------0.75%--------------------0.75%---------------------------0.75%

Bond (Loaded)------------0.25%-------------------0.25%----------------------------0.25%

Bond (Low Load)---------Up to 5.5%--------------0.25%----------------------------0.25%

M.Market (Loaded)-------RM50----------------------RM50----------------------------RM50

M.Market (Low Load)-----up to 5.5%--------------RM50-----------------------------RM50



After 90 days

Recipient Fund -----------Equity/Balanced---------Bond/Fixed Income------------M.Market
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Switch out from

Equity/Balanced----------RM25---------------------RM25------------------------------Free

Bond (Loaded)------------RM25---------------------RM25------------------------------Free

Bond (Low Load)---------up to 5.5%---------------RM25------------------------------Free

M.Market (Loaded)-------RM25---------------------RM25-------------------------------Free

M.Market (Low Load)-----up to 5.5%---------------RM25------------------------------Free



Hope this helps a lot..

This post has been edited by Bonescythe: Jun 16 2011, 12:02 AM
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