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buylowsellhigh
post Jan 22 2011, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Jan 22 2011, 01:34 PM)
Sigh. Just wanna share something. Just a lesson i learned. Few days ago, i was discussing with my agent about to switch over bond fund because investors are pulling out from the market due to cny is coming. Volume trades of course drop alot.

So my agent told me, "dont too rush, if u can put 5 years consistent u will get return more than 50%". I was like  doh.gif . He told me if got big crisis only that consider me to switch. "IF not after u switch to bond u cant switch back to equity fund"-->why cant switch back? i thought switching is allowed anytime. I ask him why cant switch back, and he said "If market go up faster then how u switch back? If market down u can go back." So i just diam diam

Here is what i thought and observe. During the last few weeks rally in the stock market, im sure everybody here gain alot from it. So last week, i was planning to lock my profit which worth 30k since december until now. Lock profit for now, then if cny is over and trade volume is high(i assume investors are coming back) and no bad news over regional markets, i switch back to equity funds. Sadly im too young and i could not afford to do my decision myself, so i diam diam again and just follow the agent advice. So for yesterday, the NAV price for most of my equity funds drop 1%+. It costs me 5k-6k lost in a day.  cry.gif

I know unit trusts are meant for long term investment and is a risky asset( less risky than stock). But i got the times (since im a student) to do some researches. Im willing to follow the market condition daily too. If I follow my own decision, i could have avoid the big drop. Any comments, guys?
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1. Read the prospectus under switching. I believe if you do frequent switching,in less than 21 days, PM has the right to refuse it.
2. Some of the equity funds can easily move by 1% in a day, many of these moves are unpredictable. by not staying invested, you may miss these moves. Most people will do well going for the big trends which switch every few years instead.
3. If you have the urge to do short term trading, "paper trade" first or have dedicated money in the stock market for your "tuition fee", money that you can afford to get burned for experience.
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post Jan 22 2011, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Jan 16 2011, 06:55 PM)
does anyone know where i can refer to for comparison between PM ut and PNB ASx in term of performance or anything?
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Some of the PNB funds performance are listed in http://www.trustnetoffshore.com/. You can also find most of the public mutual funds there. The charts in trustnetoffshore are a bit different from pm website though as they show in cumulative performance while PM shows total return. If I'm not wrong, cumulative performance does not include the interest/dividend reinvested which is why their % is lower than total return.
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post Jan 23 2011, 11:23 PM

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i wanna ask that if i dun hv PB a/c, can i invest via PM online by transfering my Maybank deposit to my fund?
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post Jan 23 2011, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(jingle1103 @ Jan 23 2011, 11:23 PM)
i wanna ask that if i dun hv PB a/c, can i invest via PM online by transfering my Maybank deposit to my fund?
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Yes, you can. It will ask you to select whcih bank and then you need to log in from there.
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post Jan 23 2011, 11:51 PM

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Other banks use FPX processor.

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post Jan 24 2011, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(Algorith @ Jan 22 2011, 11:48 PM)
Some of the PNB funds performance are listed in http://www.trustnetoffshore.com/. You can also find most of the public mutual funds there. The  charts in trustnetoffshore are a bit different from pm website though as they show in cumulative performance while PM shows total return. If I'm not wrong, cumulative performance does not include the interest/dividend reinvested which is why their % is lower than total return.
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Thanks. i'm looking at this site now. a bit complicated.

QUOTE(David83 @ Jan 23 2011, 11:51 PM)
Other banks use FPX processor.
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So, its mean that other than maybank, public bank & BSN, other bank also can? by FPX?
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post Jan 24 2011, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Jan 24 2011, 12:13 AM)
Thanks. i'm looking at this site now. a bit complicated.
So, its mean that other than maybank, public bank & BSN, other bank also can? by FPX?
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Yes, as long as they're under the participating banks.
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post Jan 24 2011, 02:29 PM

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Just out of curiosity.

I am considering of taking out portion of my EPF money to invest with Public Mutual (not sure what fund and what kind of risk yet) but I'm not much of a risk taker. About moderate.

Will Public Mutual return more interest than our KWSP interest rate?

What is the process?

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post Jan 24 2011, 11:15 PM

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dear sifus,

i am a noob in investment. but I did buy PDSF since its commencement date and the returns are quite good ( 114% ). I did not sell during the downturn when it was around 77% increase as I was a noob or I wud hv gained more.
Now I want to invest again ( for my kid's education ), what funds shd I go for?
Since PDSF alredi go up so high, is it worth to invest in the same fund again?
What is Public Mutual Gold, is it investment in gold commodity?
thks..
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post Jan 25 2011, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(pskk @ Jan 24 2011, 11:15 PM)
dear sifus,

i am a noob in investment. but I did buy PDSF since its commencement date and the returns are quite good ( 114% ). I did not sell during the downturn when it was around 77% increase as I was a noob or I wud hv gained more.
Now I want to invest again ( for my kid's education ), what funds shd I go for?
Since PDSF alredi go up so high, is it worth to invest in the same fund again?
What is Public Mutual Gold, is it investment in gold commodity?
thks..
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Public Mutual Gold is an elite membership. Not related to gold commodity investment or gold saving account.
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post Jan 25 2011, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(merchant9 @ Jan 24 2011, 02:29 PM)
Just out of curiosity.

I am considering of taking out portion of my EPF money to invest with Public Mutual (not sure what fund and what kind of risk yet) but I'm not much of a risk taker. About moderate.

Will Public Mutual return more interest than our KWSP interest rate?

What is the process?
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You should know that the return can't be predicted, but since we can only buy selected fund fixed by EPF, thus my personal opinion is we can get more by PM fund around 7-8%.
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post Jan 25 2011, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 22 2011, 02:23 PM)
I think what you agent is trying to tell you if you switch from equity to bond, and if the market go up, you will miss the opportunity and pay HIGHER prices for your equity.

For example, lest say equity fund RM1, bond Fund RM 1, and no counting of switching charge to make things simple. If you switch 10,000 units of Equity Fund, you get 10,000 units Bond Fund. Also lets assume the equity market goes up instead of down, in 6 months Equity fund is RM 1.1, Bond Fund is RM 1.05. You switch from bond to equity, you will get 10,000 x 1.05/1.10 = 9,545.45 units so you actually lose on the potential earnings.

But of course if the market down go down instead of up, then you avoid more losses.  rclxms.gif

Instead of timing the market (which most people gets it wrong), maybe you would like to use asset allocation to automatically re balance your portfolio say every 6 months. This is a much simpler method, and avoid timing altogether.

P/S your agent will earn more trailer fees if you hold equity fund. Bond funds have very low fees for the agent.  brows.gif
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What? I thought agent only earn money if we invest. Got trailer fees also? rclxub.gif
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post Jan 25 2011, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(merchant9 @ Jan 24 2011, 02:29 PM)
Just out of curiosity.

I am considering of taking out portion of my EPF money to invest with Public Mutual (not sure what fund and what kind of risk yet) but I'm not much of a risk taker. About moderate.

Will Public Mutual return more interest than our KWSP interest rate?

What is the process?
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piincome is very very steady and pisbf is not bad at all. Historically, both have been consistently better than epf.
if you can take a bit more risk, put say 20% in pittikal or pidf and 80% in pisbf.
This is just an example.

The process is quite simple, it is explained in my blog at http://belirendahjualtinggi.wordpress.com, see page EPF/KWSP. Make sure you use the calculator to find out if you are eligible and by how much.
Any agent can help you with the forms. Submit to public bank/mutual and just wait for your account to be opened within weeks.

This post has been edited by buylowsellhigh: Jan 25 2011, 11:19 PM
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post Jan 26 2011, 12:41 AM

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guys, i'm thinking of investing in either PDSF or PSSF (probably PSSF)
any advices?
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post Jan 26 2011, 03:21 AM

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I only give advise on islamic/shariah compliant funds.

By the way, attached is a sample statement that your PM agent can print for you and what it means. I designed it for my clients but thought it maybe useful for others too.


Added on January 26, 2011, 4:03 amThere seem to be a misconception that the Fund Manager does the switching for you. They can switch companies invested for example, but if their funds strategy is equity fund, they cannot move to bond fund, even though this maybe the best thing to do during a downtrend such as in 2008. If the fund manager is suppose to switch for you, PM does not need to introduce switching. I hope this clarify.

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post Jan 26 2011, 04:06 AM

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A guide to understanding PM's fund performance attached. Please note that the sales charge is not deducted from the performance results here.

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post Jan 27 2011, 10:05 AM

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post Jan 27 2011, 11:17 AM

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Hello all,

If I am not mutual Gold member, can I still register a bank account for repurchase & dividend payout. Currently I'm, re-investing my dividend; might want to swith to pay-out instead. How would I receive my payout? Via cheque (slow mail) or direct deposit (to bank account)? Is there an option, or only for Gold member?
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post Jan 27 2011, 11:53 AM

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If you have not registered for eDividend with PM, then they will issue you a cheque.
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post Jan 27 2011, 12:00 PM

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guys, under the rule of switching in PM, it is stated that if we do frequent of switching under 21 days, PM has the rights to reject.

My question, how often is often? i want to lock profit / cut loss in the future. Dont want to repeat same mistake.

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