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SUSDavid83
post Jan 12 2011, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(specializedmin @ Jan 12 2011, 11:57 AM)
PBINDOBF drop agn. now oli left NAV 0.2297.  What hpn to indonesia lately?  The the NAV keep on dropping? I bought the fund on 3 Jan at NAV 0.2432. Quite disappointed to c the current result.
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Hot money are flushing out from SEA market. Indonesia stock exchange is being hit the most on Monday followed by Thailand and Philippine stock exchanges.
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post Jan 12 2011, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jan 12 2011, 12:04 PM)
Indonesia has dropped about 10% in 1 week, also their currency have devalued by about 4.5% also in 1 week. This is due to their recent inflation figures reached 7%  sweat.gif. The government now taking emergency action and maybe will need to raise interest rate by 1% by next month to 7.5%. Since yours is a balanced fund, raise interest rate, you also will lose even more money in your bond portion.  doh.gif Public mutual always have the knack of launching funds right at the peak similar to China funds. sweat.gif

After raising interest rate, hopefully the market will be more stable, but the bond funds, will lose out. wink.gif
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I plan to top up RM100 monthly for the 1k PBINDOBF no matter its NAV is high or low
For the 10k tat i've invested in PBFI, i plan to do nthg untill 1 yr then oli withdraw it out if the selling price in nice.
Really worried tat i m having lose at the end.
Wat m i suppose to do now? :S
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post Jan 12 2011, 08:52 PM

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u make wrong move by enter at such a high KLCI index and too much initial 10k
specializedmin
post Jan 12 2011, 09:21 PM

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Wat should i do now? Can i withdraw some/all of my money frm the bond fund now. I made the investment on 4 jan 2011.
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post Jan 12 2011, 09:25 PM

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u will lose if u withdraw now.

u better wait or switch to other fund.
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post Jan 12 2011, 09:51 PM

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Currently any recommended PB series fund?
2mr i will ask the financial executive bt sure he wants to gain commission. I m the beginner n i hope some1 can tell me frankly abt which fund is more potential to gain profit in future.
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post Jan 12 2011, 10:04 PM

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didn't the sophisticated trend following proprietary says up, means up laugh.gif
the system sample looks like technical analysis with bb, adx, guppy, macd, rsi & etc rojak inside hmm.gif
here is for fun reading BUT mad.gif I not ejen & get zero benefit out of it
the question to ask, is where is ur frenly ejen when u need them? when they're needed, they go to the perigi izit? doh.gif

Indonesia, India Lead Heavy Sell-Off, Inflation Fears Blamed

Investors fear central banks will have to raise rates to slow economies
More weakness in India and Indonesia led a global sell-off Monday on worries that they will raise interest rates to control inflation.
India’s central bank is expected to raise rates sooner than anticipated to stave off food inflation. An Indonesian central bank authority said
Monday that it’s ready to hike rates if food and oil prices keep rising.

“[This] is a microcosm of the headwinds facing emerging markets looking forward,”Alan Zafran, partner at Menlo Park, Calif.-based Luminous Capital, wrote in an e-mail. “The underlying economic growth outlook for these countries remains solid,” he added. “But should inflation get out of control, these countries’ central banks will be forced to impose restrictive monetary policies that will hamper the economic growth being forecast.”
India’s GDP grew9.7% in 2010 and is seen growing 8.4%in 2011, according to the International Monetary Fund. Indonesia’s economy is estimated
to have grown 5.9% in 2010 and is projected to expand 6.1% in 2011, according to Moody’s Economy.

Wisdom Tree India Earnings EPI gapped down 2.4% and iPath MSCI India Index ETN INP gapped down 3% to six-week lows. Asia’s 2010 performance leader, Market Vectors Indonesia Index IDX, gapped down 5% in more than 1 1/2 times average volume, booking its largest one-day drop in seven months. Emerging markets overall, which outpaced the U.S. since the March 2009 bottom, have been underperforming the U.S. since November. They’ve failed to join U.S. indexes in making new highs in the new year.

“That’s usually a signal that something unpleasant is likely to happen to global equity markets because these markets should be the ones leading the way up and they aren’t,” said Vinny Catalano, president of Blue Marble Research. Although the bull market hasn’t signaled that it’s over, emerging
markets are likely to correct more and investors should wait until the correction ends, Catalano says. EPI closed just above its 200-day average. And INP closed right on that key line. They’ve corrected 14% from their 52-week highs, so they’re not in a confirmed bear market, which by definition is a 20% drop from a 52-week high. The biggest downside moves often happen below the 200-day line. When INP closed below its 200-day
in February of 2008, it fell 68%. It took 15 months for it to recover that line. EPI and INP both returned2 0% in 2010, outdoing the benchmark
MSCI Emerging Markets index’s 15% gain.

On a valuation basis, India’s market is expensive relative to the rest of Asia. It’s trading at nearly 19 times 2010 earnings and 15.3 times 2011 earnings, according to Credit Suisse. By contrast Asia Pacific is trading at 15 times 2010 earnings and13.3 times 2011 earnings. India is expected to grow earnings by 24% in 2010 and 22% in 2011, while Asia overall grows earnings by 47% and 14% during those periods. Credit Suisse analysts recommend underweighting the country because there was too much foreign buying in 2010. “(India’s) valuations are very high,” Carl Delfeld, founder of iGlobalStrategist.com, wrote in an e-mail. “And despite (its) raising interest rates six times in 2010, its central bank is behind the inflation
curve and they will have to keep raising rates.”

IDX has corrected 13% from its 52-week high. It closed Monday just above its 200-day moving average, its lowest price in five months. It’s formed a bearish head-and shoulders or rounded-topchart pattern, a shape that many investors use as a sell signal. IDX outpaced all major Asian markets
in 2010, returning 40%.Indonesia’s market is also trading at a slight premium compared to the region. It’s trading at 16.4 times 2010 earnings and 13.5 times 2011 earnings, according to Credit Suisse. It’s projected to grow earnings by 20% in 2010 and 21% in 2011.


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post Jan 12 2011, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(sulifeisgreat @ Jan 12 2011, 10:04 PM)
didn't the sophisticated trend following proprietary says up, means up  laugh.gif
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But trend following is not forecasting though. If it's up, it means up... smile.gif

However, I'm reasonably confident that the India/Indonesia markets are not in trouble, yet. Reason being - inflation is a sign of a growing economy. From stock market point of view, raising interest rates is bad because it slows down the growth - but the keyword still remains growth.


Added on January 12, 2011, 11:01 pm
QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 12 2011, 12:16 PM)
PBFI is good, PB Indonesia Balanced... not sure, too new, no track record to base on.

Xuzen


Added on January 12, 2011, 12:19 pm

I have not invested in these two funds, my opinion is based on the calculated Jensen-Alpha Ratio.

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And has the Jensen thing actually done anything useful (profitable) for you?, or is it just something you found on wiki?

This post has been edited by howszat: Jan 12 2011, 11:01 PM
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post Jan 13 2011, 12:12 AM

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I do agree tat trend following is not forecasting, coz up, really means up. nothing to forecast, coz it just means up shakehead.gif
its just tat sole proprietary secretive software to predict trend keeps nagging me laugh.gif
if its so good, y not trade futures? ut is not famous for making quick big bugs hmm.gif
no position in either markets but someone asked y drop, so just took the article, interpretation depends on each investor skill & knowledge


QUOTE(howszat @ Jan 12 2011, 10:40 PM)
But trend following is not forecasting though. If it's up, it means up... smile.gif

However, I'm reasonably confident that the India/Indonesia markets are not in trouble, yet. Reason being - inflation is a sign of a growing economy. From stock market point of view, raising interest rates is bad because it slows down the growth - but the keyword still remains growth.


Added on January 12, 2011, 11:01 pmAnd has the Jensen thing actually done anything useful (profitable) for you?, or is it just something you found on wiki?
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post Jan 13 2011, 11:16 AM

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Just found out the following from a website:-

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Public Mutual: The 5 Star Funds rated by Morningstar Rating™
These days, rating has become so important to the extent that rating can seriously affect the sales of a certain product. So now I will like to list out the funds rated 5 Star (which is the maximum) rated by Morningstar Rating™, and their fund managers for the excellent jobs in making these funds profitable to the extent of 5 Star.

Public Aggressive Growth Fund (PAGF)
Designated Fund Managers:
Tan Yan Heong
Lum Peck Woon

Public Equity Fund (PEF)
Designated Fund Managers:
Tan Yan Heong
Lum Peck Woon

Public Growth Fund (PGF)
Designated Fund Managers:
Tan Yan Heong
Lum Peck Woon

Public Regular Savings Fund (PRSF)
Designated Fund Managers:
Tan Yan Heong
Chen Yuet Fong

Public Smallcap Fund (P SmallCap)
Designated Fund Managers:
Lum Ming Jang
Tan Yan Heong

Public Enhanced Bond (PEBF)
Designated Fund Managers:
Chan Kam Khoon
Chiang Kang Pey

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post Jan 13 2011, 09:06 PM

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hi guys, currently i'm holding 2 funds. PSF and PBOND.
would like to invest in either PSSF or PDSF, is it advisable?
or i should invest fund related to other country?
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post Jan 13 2011, 09:30 PM

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can somebody introduce to a very good UTC that able to give advise and guidance when there is a chance to gain profit?
there is one UTC in my place that introduce to me with this PM FUND BUT he is more on pbittikal....
i dont want An UTC THAT only receive commision from clients but do nothing....
if any UTC have a great expereince in this field, please do inbox me because i really need a good advisor... Thank you..

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post Jan 14 2011, 10:13 AM

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post Jan 14 2011, 05:37 PM

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@dayvarn
Unit trust agents are NOT unit trust managers, thus they do not control the market based on your investment. They can only advise you on the fund potential, perspectives, what/where does your investment goes to etc. Another thing is you cannot depend 100% on what your agent tells you. Even your agent is very experience, you still need to do your own study.
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Hi all,

im new to unit trust actually, and i wondering what is Mutual Gold? In my statement, it said minimum requirement = 100,000. This represent the total unit of the fund? or the total balance($)?

Im still google-ing about the definition of equity and bond... never learn all this in my engineering course.. sweat.gif
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post Jan 16 2011, 05:58 PM

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Mutual Gold is like elite membership. One of the obvious privilege is switching at FOC.
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post Jan 16 2011, 06:55 PM

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does anyone know where i can refer to for comparison between PM ut and PNB ASx in term of performance or anything?
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QUOTE(UltraConductor_41 @ Jan 16 2011, 05:14 PM)
Hi all,

im new to unit trust actually, and i wondering what is Mutual Gold? In my statement, it said minimum requirement  = 100,000. This represent the total unit of the fund? or the total balance($)?

Im still google-ing about the definition of equity and bond... never learn all this in my engineering course.. sweat.gif
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Im doing engineering course but doing part time thing as an investor laugh.gif ..Mutual Gold is just like elite membership..RM 100k in equity fund i think. Elite Mutual Gold = 500k.


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What should I do if I want to change my current agent? ie my current fund all change to new agent to handle.
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QUOTE(jady @ Jan 17 2011, 09:15 PM)
What should I do if I want to change my current agent? ie my current fund all change to new agent to handle.
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Get a consent from both old and new agents. Then, submit a request to the customer service; preferable using mail/fax.

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