guys lets discuss on how to improve our Malaysian league and our Malaysian national team as a whole.
i know some of us don't give 2 shit about our national team or our local clubs. but what is wrong here???
why singapore can market their league so much better and improve on their footballing level so fast, whiles we are still idling.

To improve in terms of footballing qualities, it has to start from the grass roots. Talented youths must be spotted at earlier stages, there must be proper talent scouts.. maybe scouting on talents during Primary School football tournaments at state level and up to country level (MSSM). Once spotted, they can maybe be drafted to bukit jalil (BJSS). But wait, isn't this what they're doing now? Maybe instead of all going to BJSS, can be drafted to a special school or academy created by the state FA.. Go to school and go for training.. Then who knows, they can play for the state and then go to play for Malaysia.

But somehow... good talent always goes missing. I know a few friends who were marvelous and skillful players during our youth back in the 90s. But they later never turn up to play football and instead involves in other careers....

Another aspect that I think our FA has overlooked is how to generate money from our local football. Easiest mistake is on the merchandising area. Tell me, how do local fans want to buy the state team's replica jersey? Is it easy? Maybe for some states, it is. You can go to the stadium and look for stalls selling them. But why la don't the FA setup an official store to sell them. The money goes back to the state FA. And why don't the FA copyright the Liga Super or M league's tournament logo, nameset.. Do it like what the EPL is doing now. The namesets are all standardized and that you must buy the standardized one to apply them.. Money goes to FAM...

Just an idea from me..

After Tony Fernandez take over WestHam, can send some Malaysian players there for training since their academy is great?

agree with schmeichel87 on the grassroots thing. good players need to be developed at an early stage. i'd like to add that football teams and the FAM in general should be free from too much political interests. the top guys should be those who are involved in football from their early life and knows everythong there is about football.

I agree with this.. I hate when politic people become a sport committee.. they only interested in money, nothing else than that..

This post has been edited by sanfa: Jan 15 2010, 10:30 AM

1st: politic people involved in this field..nothing good from but..but only s**T..

2nd: because football is short term career..so many talented skillful player didnt become a professional football player because of this.

i think we need to improve the football field first. seriusly. the state of the football field in malaysia is horrendous. then improve facility and technical ability of coaches. and yes, kick the politician out of FA. bring back the tobacoe companys as sponsor

1. throw politics out from FAM

2. need to start from akar umbi, like from school, liga kampung,daerah

3. bring the import player again and make a quota 3 import player in 1 team

4. players must show passion & commitment on their club or to malaysian football, because nowdays i see player play for money

how about malaysian mentality on football as a career??? parents wont allow their children to become footballer, playing football doesn't put food on the table.

the government need to put more fund, or just privatize it, or legalize sports betting, cuz that how the club earn big money from. look at singapore and their football league, they are doing very good, some players are payed 30k S$ a month. in Singapore they take their football seriously, we dont..

obvious answers.

1. put somebody that knows and love football in charge of FAM. somebody who got the credibility.

2. no tie-ins with political person / org. hard to do bcoz of our gov mentality.

3. marketing team that capable of bringing private company to sponsored. the tobacco company ban from sponsoring sports even has been cancel so it was a good 1st step.

4. stop whining and actually go to the games sometimes. even it's not as good as BPL, it's quite entertaining if u lowered your expectation honestly. suport the league. i'm going to plus fc vs selangor.. let's go!

sports betting is a no-no. with our bribe culture, it will destroy the game like it once did in the 90's.

the thing about growing from grass roots, youth football is kinda good. example: malaysia under 23, 20, 16. but classic FAM, after the fine display at sea games they planning for not allowing the players to play in the super league. how to sharpen the skill and match fitness if not regularly play?

football for a living? harimau muda (under 20) makes 2.5k a month. and average earning among my friends who play in the super / premier league is about 5k. some players even earn > 10k. so it's not that bad. only they need to taught how to spend and invest after retirement.

I disagree with this. A friend of mine handles the insurance coverage for some of the players from the team that won the SEA games. They earn 5 figure incomes. Not enough money? More like lack of meritocracy in selection. That and politics.

Once again I have to disagree. More and more money has been poured in over the years. The league has turned Pro since the days I watched it when it was Semi-Pro and the standard has steadily declined. The more money that's pumped in, the more we fill the pockets of these fat greedy politicians. In fact, we should reduce funding to rid the game of these greedy gits. The FAM need to go through and overhaul. Rest assured, there is no quick fix here.

have you guys gone to a Singaporean league matches??
they are very fun(with cheerleader and all) and happening. not sure why we cant make it like that, most of the time it is pack, but their capacity is very small la... the super reds stadium i think can only fill 3k-4k...but it is still nice to see everybody coming in to the stadium to support their own local club. i hope that in my life time i can see Malaysia league becoming like that. i think privatizing the sector, no more political links.

how about setting up a university just for sports educated people. since some of my high school friends last time was good at sport but very bad at studies. at least the players have something to fall back on after their playing time is over.

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Added on January 15, 2010, 2:57 pmi really do love this country and hope its football is taken seriously. i hate when our own Malaysian people making jokes about our football. i am proud to see those youngster win the sea games. didn't expected it. the future is looking good. hope we can develop those young talent.

This post has been edited by super messi: Jan 15 2010, 02:57 PM

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/22122009/58/...ons-league.html very good indeed.....

omg...didnt know that...but the last time i went there...seems happening..hmmm...should believe what i see sometimes...but they are in the top 10 ranking in the asian league??? how come??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Football_Confederation

when was it?

not sure i think last year...enjoyed myself..maybe i was been delusional...hahaha... but they do play nice football...maybe they going down too...

Because choosing sports (or football in particular) as your career in this country doesn't look like it will provide a very promising future. I believe this is why many parents will try to alleviate their children from that path. Instead, they'll push them to pursue other more prospective careers.

Yep, you're right. They need to find ways to get better funding so in order to provide better facilities and training. It'll be a chain reaction as the number of supporters will increase cause more money to be injected etc.

Honestly, I would really love to see the national team rise up. I do watch them from time to time, but usually ends with disappointment.

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Added on January 15, 2010, 6:18 pm5 figure salary is for those right at the top of the scale..how many of them actually make it all the way up there? compare that to other career paths that they can take..

but i do agree that politicizing it has majorly contributed to the sport's decline. a lot of times it has been mentioned that everything in malaysia is politicized.

This post has been edited by zx12: Jan 15 2010, 06:20 PM

how about bring back the days where Malaysian clubs play with the Singaporean clubs. this will increase the popularity of the sports. more viewers. Malaysia+ Singapore + Brunei...this will be more interesting.

even for average player in poor club such as KL is getting above 3k which is i think not bad considering many 9 to 5 office workers doesnt make that much.



singapore withdrawn because they want to build up their own league.

Not even every schools has a soccer field(just like my school). People prefer to play street soccer or futsal too, due to most of the football fields not well taken care of. When it rains, gonna be damn muddy. Goal pole no net, nobody cares. These primary schools or secondary don't actually encourage football.

This post has been edited by gerrardtorres9: Jan 15 2010, 07:33 PM

Youth Development is another story. It's all about money

Allow beer and cigarette company to sponsor Malaysian League like before. More income from sponsorship is always a good things ( as long not go to the wrong place )

Can give club more participant and prize money. No more unpaid salary for coach and player. Club can hire foreign coach which will always benefit. Start back 3 foreign player rule. 2 season is enough to get undiscovered local player shine

Lastly yet importantly Shebby Singh as FAM general secretary

This post has been edited by Sifha238: Jan 15 2010, 08:45 PM

true....i agree its all about the money...if there is more prize money then it will be more competitive. you said about beer and cigarette sponsoring.
i say legalize sports betting, rather than having those illegal bookie running around, government should run it or privatize it then tax them, it is a very lucrative sector.

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Added on January 15, 2010, 8:55 pmsame here too...last time when i was young, i always wonder how those EPL footballer do those sliding celebration, i tried to do it end up hurting my knees...i was around 9 i think...hahaha.stupid of me.

This post has been edited by super messi: Jan 15 2010, 08:55 PM

The root of the problem is obvious.

Kick those bloody politician's out of football. They are good for nothing.

I think football team and games should make like extra-co. Meaning students will join and practice and play. Of course they don't practice everydat but 3 times a week then very 2 week gaming with other school or near by school. Although it can't develop a good team, but at least it provide opportunity for the kids to involve in the football. Then those are good will make as 1st team and so on. Scouting squad should go around and scout the players. Then choose them and form a district team, at least A and B, train them. Give them some min allowance. I sure is ok for kid with small amount of allowance. Then move to state level. Train and study in state level football school. Something like scholarship, everything paid for the kids. Every month inter state competition.
State level team is important, bcoz as national scouting they can move from one state to another to check on the kids.
At the begining lever, we should provide opportunity for the kids to play then choose the better one, go for state footbal schooling.
But here we spend alot on sponsoring competition but involve only certain players. It just restrict to those in the squad. Of course some of the non sport brain in the management will also come out funny ideas which doesnt really help on the development. We spend but we spend in wrong idea. That's why we don't have result. I think is better go to semipro, reason is players are gurantee jobs and even they retired they still can work on and carry on their life. It makes them feel security. If going pro, what happen if they can't preform or injured, what happen after retired? Our pro doesn't pay as much as those in euro, and job opportunity for football is less compare to them. Football coach doesn't have much vacancy. Actually they can be train as sport teache in school and in the same time manage the school football extro-co. For exp, i will going to U do my degree. If I go football after retired what can i do? If i can do my degree in the same time involve in football then i can go on. But now no choice need to choose the security one.

i'm hearing what you say, and i agree. security is the most important thing in a man's life, i dont think playing football gonna put the food on the table, anyway not in our country.

i think we need to push those politician to do something about it, if we dont push them they wont do anything. even our motosport grow better than our football.

Malaysia football league has been sliding since Singapore left Malaysia League and started their own league. Say whatever you want about Singapore football, they was lower ranked than us 10 years ago, but they are ranked higher than us. Malaysia is slowly slipping while Singapore is slowly climbing.

And look at Singapore league. They even have a Japanese club playing in their league.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albirex_Niigata_FC_(Singapore)

Their local players can gain experience from playing the Japanese, but Malaysia even kicked out imported players. How to improve when you don't compete with better players? I suggest Malaysia do the same, invite Japanese, Korean or Chinese (as in from China) teams to play in our league.

This post has been edited by kalandra: Jan 17 2010, 01:41 PM

lol..its a stupid concept right? if you can't beat them, kick them out..how on earth are we going to improve if we keep on using this policy..

i think only a few people care about what is gonna happen to malaysian football...i wish we could be as passionate about our local football club as we are with the EPL club.

Wanna add something.

This money / sponsorship things become a problem because FAM been handle by political people. They afraid about people vote ( Malay will not vote you if you allow beer company to sponsor , PAS will use this as an issue etc ) . Football must be seen as business and handle by business people . One good example is Russia football handle by Chelsea owner Roman Abrahamovich

This post has been edited by Sifha238: Jan 17 2010, 04:05 PM

I am not totally agreed with your ideas. Yes, our football community needs more efficient business and marketing plans. But that doesn't necessarily means bringing in beer companies to invest in our football scene. My reasoning:

As things stand by now, huge majority of local football fans are Malays. Majority of the players are Malays (I'm not sure how can you overlook this fact). If local football clubs start to display all sorts of beer brands on their shirt, just imagine the uproar it will cause. Yes, in the long run, a lot of money will be generated. But that idea will not kick off very smoothly. You do know how sensitive such issue is to the Malays, do you not? Malay players will not even be willing to wear shirts with Carlsberg imprinted on them.

I'm sure many other companies from other industries will be interested to invest into our football scene, if the football scene itself have something in return to its sponsors. Football community needs to think about that. That's why more business minded people are needed in FAM and other State FAs. They are not required to bring in tobacco or beer companies. We need their brains.

This post has been edited by matyrze: Jan 17 2010, 05:05 PM

http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?fil...2953&sec=sports


Singapore League gets more interesting. Malaysia?