This is the semitone that Little Ice is saying below right? In piano terms the 4 is the black key for 3 and the 7 is the black key for 6. My choir master master who taught me to read notes once told me you can think of F as E# of Gb. Come to think of it my guzheng teacher told me this in the first class. He used the glissando and said without 4 and 7 is more smooth. If only I counted the semitones I will understand why 比较顺.
This I know from playing experience. I am still studying the 5,3,1 (the triad). You can use 6,5,2 same number of string apart on the guzheng, but it is not the "triad" as we know it. Yet it an acceptable as a chord in guzheng. On diatonic, any two notes with a string in between is a chord for guzheng. This the other thing I am still trying to figure out. Figuring out the theory makes me go crazy. Playing it is a different story
This is news to me. I am going to tune it that way and explore the "tranquil" tuning

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Added on February 14, 2011, 4:34 pmWah, this is trying to put pressure on me le. Yes I look forward to trying out you baby guzheng.

This post has been edited by faceless: Feb 14 2011, 04:34 PM

faceless...I am sure you will don wonders on the GuZheng. Some pressure is good ma. hahaha....

For those u dun know tat most of the chinese song onli got 5 notes... watch tis clip... he will tell u why ..(min 6:48 to 6:58) hahahahaha.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHze61WV0o8

This post has been edited by subangman: Feb 14 2011, 07:01 PM

nice meeting you guys. big thanks to subangman for the excellent roast duck and wine, faceless for the titbits, and empire for the cake. i left early and i hope you guys were still enjoying after i left.

Yes...I think all of us did learn something from each otehr ...no matter how small.

Yes...subangman...your generousity in buying the Delicious Donald Duck is highly appreciated! BUt I still hate you *evil laughs*

FAceless.....sorry to put so much pressure on you today, hehehe....
but you did a fine job detailing the finer aspects in guzehng playing to the girls! Your killer muruku is also excellent!Thx also for the Pringles.

La Bella...good to hear you play guitar...but you were too soft wo. Why ah?

Glad you guys tried my chocolate cheesecake :-)

Thank you guys.. it was a nice gathering. Enjoyed it

empire, I admit that my playing is not that aggressive. I didn't practise much lah. I actually like your chocolate cheese cake.

subangman, thank you for the foods and wine! It would be great if your gal comes also next time.

Faceless, you really did a good job by explaining to me about guzheng playing. Thanks for your tutorial. Really appreciate it!

I'm happy to watch the duet of little ice and empire, you guys are fantastic!

Aiya sorry I didn't read the thread for a day. If not I would have brought my guitar. I thought I will only be watching all the sifus play gu zheng hahaha but aisehhhhhh got so many problems. Stand wobbling la this la that la drunk la nervous la...

Actually there's a lot of different types of pentatonic. The one without 4 and 7 is Ionian Pentatonic. For example this is, 1 3 4 6 b7. But I don't know what is it called.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhBHCwZ7SXk&feature=related

Thank you all the sifus for all the advice!

Subangman I've already found the address to PCCO. Is it the only one in KL/Cheras or near Serdang?

Thanks.

This post has been edited by JieXian: Feb 16 2011, 12:40 PM

Jie Xian..good meeting you. Your guitar playing has potential.

Subanman...Faceless...what you think of these:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Metal-Dan-Tranh-Finger...=item4cf4cc61bb

http://cgi.ebay.com/Guzheng-Finger-Picks-G...=item4cecfa2992

Which one better ha?

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Added on February 16, 2011, 1:12 amSubangman..forgot to thank for your kindness in offering your super expensive Wine!! It tasted wonderful!

This post has been edited by empire: Feb 16 2011, 01:12 AM

Subang, the 五粮液 is fantastic. Thank you very much for sharing it. It does hit you slowly. I end up falling asleep and overshooting my lrt station. After dinner at home I knock out straight away. Good night's sleep too.

la Bella, the guitar will always lose out to the guzheng when it comes to 按音,点音，揉音and 颤音。 With bending you can do 滑音only. As it is JieXian had mistaken the 点音 for 滑音. From supporting mei mei in competition, I know guzheng judges will pay attention to these little details to give marks.

JieXian sorry to disappoint you.

Little Ice, your Meditation solo made me realise the power of the violin. This piece is composed to show the unique sound of the violin. I am not sure an erhu a bow instrument can do this piece.

Empire,
It was not the pressure. I am among friends and was at ease. Wobbling stand and height was the main problem that cause me to keeping hitting the wrong strings. I must work on this.

The china made plectrum are available here for the same price + transport cost. The catch is where to buy it. One shops in Sg Wang had sold it for RM40. If you want to buy it here then you had to find the right shop for around RM25. It is the same one I used so you have already tested it

I believe the metal plectrum was design for classical guitar. I had plastic/nylon version of it. The plastic version are stretchable to fit all fingers but guzheng player are use to plectrum sticking to their fingers. You will find it too lose. The one on the left is not recommended. The "nails" is bent at the end. You need a lot of precision to strike the strings with it.

This post has been edited by faceless: Feb 16 2011, 09:24 AM

按音,点音 and 滑音 All are called bending in western music I think. That's why I was a bit blur, but I know what the difference is thanks to your demonstration la.
But of course any instruments that can bend got use those 3 techniques. Just that they are all called bending.

揉音and 颤音 is vibrato. 1 less 1 more vibrato.

Can watch the videos in this place to confirm the difference between 按音,点音 and 滑音.
http://v.guqu.net/guzhengT/6912.html

Youngman.... tis is for u and ur 16 strings dino....

http://www.chinesezither.net/forum/viewtop...e2d8e8a500f4534

"""" 16-stringed guzheng is generally tunned in G. But the last string being a D or 5 in the guzheng music notation.

So the order is:

D E G A B D E G A B D E G A B D

Most of the traditional songs are written in G major, but we just play it on 21-stringed D major without changing the key."""""

Thanks thanks. After my guitar exam I plan to buy a proper 21-string after listening to you. At first I thought all must be 1k-2k but ehhh actually can be like KG's one cheaper

I thought he learned something but then again

What to doooo my father not big dai kor own company 1... He also don't support me learning music. He said gu zheng for girls to play only. And girly boys. "See this guy play gu zheng one. PONDAN OR NOT?"

"Have you heard of [Jack of all trades, master at none] or not?" he said to me. "Lucky you didn't go Australia, if not you will come back buying their long big ugly sounding horn simply POOOT POOOT POT. HAahahahaHahahAHa"

But of course la he really support me with studies la.

Slowly start with basic and wait till I got money lo... If you can sell me your old 1 cheap cheap then I will be very happy also



This post has been edited by JieXian: Feb 18 2011, 03:57 PM

JX...yoru dad said those things to discourage from being too serious in Music. He meant well...of course.

Now you gotta concentrate on your studies. After you graduated... you wanna do what...you do la! :-)

Hahaha no la he really don't think it's important. My semester is starting in March (meaning the whole gu zheng thing was happening during my break) and I don't have much problems with studies, although I'm not a top student at all la. My mother is worried about my studies but supports music things. My father, not too much.

My father thinks it's a waste of money mostly. Lucky I didn't begin with electric guitar.. If not habis.

And that me playing gu zheng is a big joke ~ Go relative's house watch a drama saw the 太监 playing gu zheng straight away laugh at me T_T


But I'm not angry or very disappointed la. I know it's expensive -- for normal people like us.

So when is the next gathering?

lol didn't you watch stephen chow's kung fu? that guy's guzheng got air blade coming out one. very cool.

Good one bro. I need to get an engineer (subangman) to turn my guzheng into a weapon.

yes faceless. Your mighty guzheng does look a like lethal weapoN! hehehe...

This post has been edited by empire: Feb 24 2011, 12:08 PM