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post Feb 8 2011, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(JieXian @ Feb 7 2011, 05:36 PM)
Hi I'm very interested to learn Gu Zheng. I've been trying to make some Gu Zheng sounds on my guitar for fun for a long time already but it cannot beat the real thing ~~ I have been learning classical guitar for 6-7 years, but mainly playing other genres (not talking about strum and sing -.-) and tried a bit of harmonica and piano.

Does anyone know any music centres or teachers in KL or Cheras or Serdang? And anyone want to sell their Gu Zheng? Can you give me some tips on buying GuZheng and choosing a good teacher (signs of a good teacher)

Thank you.
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Sorry, JieXian we did not mean to come across like we are ignoring you. We are just excited about firming up our gathering.
You should compare notes with laBella (a classical guitarist attempting the same thing). If you look back 5-10 pages from here, I have listed "sound effect" of the guzheng.

It is a pleasure to meet you. It seems like you are into my kind of instruments. I play the harmonica by ear. I use the keyboard to understand music theory (scales,...). As for guitar, I only know how to hold down chord and change it in split second smile.gif

Somewhere around page 4 onwards, we have covered tips on getting a guzheng. Tips on getting a teacher? That is a new one. I have no clue.
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post Feb 8 2011, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Feb 8 2011, 09:58 AM)
No problem, I am in.. I hope laBella and Karenalvin can make it too. The theme is chinese lah. So, wu-liang-ye is my preference. Mei mei coming? She must bring guzheng along if she is coming. I am going to bring mine, too. It is not really a CNY thingy. It is a CNY + jam session. As for you, just bring your sax.

Little Ice, your company will be missed. I was hoping for Part 2 violin lessons.
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Faceless .... waah u know ur drinks well ah.. drool.gif

Mei-mei cannot b able to make it as she will be xtremely busy wit her Annual Valentine Interact sales tat 2 days.
Busy packing roses and wrapppin choc. gifts for sales.... my house again turn to a big Interact camp again.
In fact she had to drop a Solo Performance in Tropicana Golf club due to tis thing.... and her teacher/band manager is not
veri happy over it .

Me bring out my sax... i'm afraid tat 'bear' is still inside winter zone....zzzzzzZZZZZZZZ and i'm still having my Zithromax. doh.gif

tell u something... SC #10B will b in by twm via FedEx. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif


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post Feb 8 2011, 11:45 AM

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Subang,
You are the one who told me about five pounds of leaf (wuliangye). Since you have one, I might as well sample it lor wink.gif You can bring the twins sax mah. I wanna see if I am really a noob at wind instruments
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post Feb 8 2011, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Feb 8 2011, 11:45 AM)
Subang,
You are the one who told me about five pounds of leaf (wuliangye). Since you have one, I might as well sample it lor wink.gif You can bring the twins sax mah. I wanna see if I am really a noob at wind instruments
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ok lar... i bring the 五粮液 ... u get the kacang. I'll try to get the siew lam... 1 or 2 bone.... El Cerdio better but too early.

Sax... let the bear sleep lor.. later no time to check Empire's DIY pickup... esp after a few rounds of 五粮液.
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post Feb 8 2011, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(subangman @ Feb 8 2011, 04:22 PM)
I'll try to get the siew lam... 1 or 2 bone.... El Cerdio better but too early.
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siew lam...pork rib? siew (roast) lam (belly, "lam" as in "tou lam")?

el cerdio (cerdo) of changkat bukit bintang? hmm.gif

gonna miss some great food and wine... ohmy.gif
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post Feb 8 2011, 10:20 PM

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Little Ice...ya lor. Faceless will bring his super GuZheng and perform his Concert in my hse too. This will be his preview b4 his Concert in MPO hall this year! Hehehehe....
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QUOTE(faceless @ Feb 8 2011, 10:40 AM)
Sorry, JieXian we did not mean to come across like we are ignoring you. We are just excited about firming up our gathering.
You should compare notes with laBella (a classical guitarist attempting the same thing). If you look back 5-10 pages from here, I have listed "sound effect" of the guzheng.

It is a pleasure to meet you. It seems like you are into my kind of instruments. I play the harmonica by ear. I use the keyboard to understand music theory (scales,...). As for guitar, I only know how to hold down chord and change it in split second smile.gif

Somewhere around page 4 onwards, we have covered tips on getting a guzheng. Tips on getting a teacher? That is a new one. I have no clue.
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Haha, having a really hard time to buy chinese instrument for me too.. my friend is actually looking for an pi pa? but urm.. i don't know where else to point him too.. =(
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post Feb 9 2011, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(subangman @ Feb 8 2011, 04:22 PM)
ok lar... i bring the  五粮液 ... u get the kacang. I'll try to get the siew lam... 1 or 2 bone.... El Cerdio better but too early.

Sax... let the bear sleep lor.. later no time to check Empire's DIY pickup... esp after a few rounds of 五粮液.
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Thank you bru. Now I get to savour your highly recommended chinese wine. I think the El Cerdro's siew lam must make booking if we need it in the late morning.
QUOTE(little ice @ Feb 8 2011, 10:09 PM)
siew lam...pork rib? siew (roast) lam (belly, "lam" as in "tou lam")?

el cerdio (cerdo) of changkat bukit bintang? hmm.gif correct

gonna miss some great food and wine... ohmy.gif
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The sages say the cultured savors food, wine and song. You can always rush over after your classes. If you can make it, let us know and we can reserve some goodies for you. Alternatively we can start later.
QUOTE(empire @ Feb 8 2011, 10:20 PM)
Little Ice...ya lor. Faceless will bring his super GuZheng and perform his Concert in my hse too. This will be his preview b4 his Concert in MPO hall this year! Hehehehe....
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MPO hall is a very long way for me unless you share with me some short cuts and tips. smile.gif You should call you guzheng angel along so we can compare notes.

Little Ice you gf is guzheng player too right. If you can make it bring her along too.
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I wonder what happened to La Bella and Alvin??

Faceless...my guZheng Angel also teaching on Saturday wo.
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post Feb 9 2011, 02:00 PM

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I think the are on long holiday. Most likely they only start work on Monday.

Look like I will miss seeing the Sultanah of Swing in action. Any angel will do lor smile.gif
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QUOTE(faceless @ Feb 8 2011, 10:40 AM)
Sorry, JieXian we did not mean to come across like we are ignoring you. We are just excited about firming up our gathering.
You should compare notes with laBella (a classical guitarist attempting the same thing). If you look back 5-10 pages from here, I have listed "sound effect" of the guzheng.

It is a pleasure to meet you. It seems like you are into my kind of instruments. I play the harmonica by ear. I use the keyboard to understand music theory (scales,...). As for guitar, I only know how to hold down chord and change it in split second smile.gif

Somewhere around page 4 onwards, we have covered tips on getting a guzheng. Tips on getting a teacher? That is a new one. I have no clue.
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I read back until July 2010 But couldn;t find the post about the sound effect. I read the post on page 4 about drying process - how can I judge a gu zheng and look for signs?

You also mentioned about wood used. It is good information which is similar to classical guitar but I always listen to the sound and worry too much about the wood of course - I always compare with my own guitar because many semi decent ones sound good to me, but mine is actually better when I went back the second time with my guitar. The problem is that for Gu Zheng I have no reference point and no experience. It is not surprising at all to me if one guitar with better wood sounds inferior to another guitar because there are so many many other things involved.

Teachers are a big problem in my opinion. PhilBoey said that most teachers and his own teacher taught him the "wrong" things and he had to relearn a lot of things when he went to China. Same thing for flamenco. A lot of bogus US people on youtube and even Malaysians don't have good technique and many aren't even playing flamenco but falsely label their music as flamenco. Since there's a saxophonist here I would think you have some problems about Kenny G calling his stuff "jazz"

I have a sister and a cousin who learnt piano and they don't seem to know much about music at all. My sister learnt the same time as me and all she knows is to play notes written on the sheet, following the forte or piano. I met another guy at a guitar exam who is in the same situation as my sister, his teacher didn't show him anything. I'm very sure most music students are like that, especially classical piano players.

OF course I taught my sister and cousin and things are different, but although I discovered a lot of things myself and thanks to the internet, my teacher also played a big role in exposure.

What I think is important in actually learning music is ability to play and feel rhythms - with accents by ear, improvisations, exposure to and eventually enjoying music that is not just mainstream club pop (I'm not anti-mainstream but the recent trend of the "songs" that are out around 2010 onwards, at least in the 90's people on the radio actually knew at least simple theory) and of course putting a feeling or mood into a song which does not come from reading the piano and forte signs on the paper.

Edit: Even the formal ABSRM "theory" my sister learnt until grade 6 or 7 was somewhat useless although she always got 90+ for her exams. I read up articles and watch some videos and asked her a few things but she doesn't seem to have learnt simple and useful (imo) things. Simple things like thinking about structure of music (eg ABABCBB), function (very angry with this) of all the scales she and so many piano players practiced like a robot. I flicked through her book before and I was wondering why there are so many general things taught but not the essentials (imo) first.

Improvisation, musicality, playing by ear and feeling the accents and rhythm are very hard to master but I firmly believe in teaching people that so that they will slowly learn. I believe everyone even pros are working those everyday.

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I already PMed empire but I hope you will allow me to meet you all - I don't mind at all if you want to meet each other without anyone intruding because I'm just an outsider - But I can say that I don't mind sitting and just listening without making noise. Mostly I'm very interested to meet musicians because I really only know a few people who don't just play pop songs.

Thank you.

This post has been edited by JieXian: Feb 9 2011, 04:05 PM
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post Feb 9 2011, 04:13 PM

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JieXian,
I am impress that you have read so much of this thread. I must admit some of it is just empty talk. On sound effect, I will make it easy for you http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1286499/+460 Follow my conversation with la Bella on left hand method/technique from there.

On knowing the tong wood, I guess you need the experience of seeing enough guzheng to know it.

On PhilBoey's comment. He certainly gave us an eye opener but were are in no position to know what he is talking about. It is just like the case of the tong wood. We have talked so much about it here but you know nothing unless you see and hear the difference. I can only tell Phil can get the guzheng to render a different sound. As to what he is doing to get that sound, I have no clue.

On the passage below
QUOTE(JieXian @ Feb 9 2011, 03:30 PM)
Improvisation, musicality, playing by ear and feeling the accents and rhythm are very hard to master but I firmly believe in teaching people that so that they will slowly learn. I believe everyone even pros are working those everyday.
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you had just spoke my mind. Having a better foundation in theory, you had the right words in the right place. I think it is the passion in the musician that set them apart form those who are just learning it as a chore. The result is this
QUOTE(JieXian @ Feb 9 2011, 03:30 PM)
Even the formal ABSRM "theory" my sister learnt until grade 6 or 7 was somewhat useless although she always got 90+ for her exams. I read up articles and watch some videos and asked her a few things but she doesn't seem to have learnt simple and useful (imo) things. Simple things like thinking about structure of music (eg ABABCBB), function (very angry with this) of all the scales she and so many piano players practiced like a robot. I flicked through her book before and I was wondering why there are so many general things taught but not the essentials (imo) first.
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post Feb 9 2011, 11:06 PM

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not going to join your guys this saturday, cause teaching basically whole day, and by the end of the day i'll be pretty tired. you guys enjoy! biggrin.gif
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post Feb 9 2011, 11:28 PM

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I'm not free too, sorry can't join also this weekend. You guys have fun!
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post Feb 10 2011, 09:39 AM

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CNY is always a bad time to have gathering. You can never get full attendance. sad.gif
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post Feb 10 2011, 10:57 AM

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Faceless...the best is a public HOliday day this Tuesday 15th Feb 2011. It is Prohpet Muhammad's birthday. So everyone is Free!!
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post Feb 10 2011, 11:14 AM

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Public holiday is when people make plans lah.
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post Feb 10 2011, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Feb 10 2011, 11:14 AM)
Public holiday is when people make plans lah.
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Exactly! If people really sincerely want to meet up with us...they will make plan to meet us!
If they wanna make plan for other things...let them be. Those of us who genuinely love Chinese Musical Instruments
and Music in general will make the effort. You will see.
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If you put it like then I have no comments. You mean you want to open your house again on 15th?
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post Feb 10 2011, 01:56 PM

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Why dont we meet this tuesday since it's a holiday? We already know little Ice and La BElla not free thsi Saturday. Why not we accomodate them?

Subnagman..what you think?

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