didn't take that long to learn the necessary buttons - not more than 10 minutes and everything works fine

hassle of dealing with 2 remotes all the time > hassle of programming the Harmony once

This post has been edited by SiriuslyCold: Jan 3 2010, 12:08 PM

who care.. they just keep promoting, disconnect the service when people forgot to pay the bill and charge for reconnecting the service. ( they also keep charging during rain fade)


Astro Technical people should give a proper explanation [At least] to all subscribers, esp. on technical matters, mode of transmission, type of format etc. And please be more specific and details. we're not 60's, we're in IT area.

Hopefully when we all start paying they should give us optimum bandwidth for HD channel. Right now because they dont charge anything so it still acceptable.

Good quality 720p HD takes at least 10-12Mbps with MPEG-4, and I think 15Mbps is a more reasonable minimum even 28Mbps isn't enough to eliminate all artifacts (based on D-Theater tape bitrates and quality). At 8Mbps, it becomes noticably lower quality.

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The astro installer just installed byond this morning, I've just came home and my sister said everything was fine, until I went and take a look at the "brand" new dish on the roof, and to my surprise the dish looks like the old dish, going to have someone take a look at the back to confirm whether it's the 60 cm or 65cm dish.

it's been more than 2 weeks after calling and no news yet! hmm

you should call Astro cs and complaint to them, tell them you're going to bring your case to MCMC and KPDN

New dish photo posted by LCP.
"Anyway, if you look at the sticker at the back of the dish, there will be a description on that says "Astro outdoor unit 65", which should mean that this is a 65cm dish versus 60cm old dish diameter."

Same with me. I already call CS twice but got same result. Ur location?
BTW I at damansara damai PJ.

Hi,

Just got mine 2 days ago and found out that my 2.5years old Plasma 42" DVI-HDMI convertor no work I am now on component video until I upgrade to a Full HD LCD or Plasma. Oh well even on component the quality is much better. Think I will wait a while for some good deal to come alone since there is only 5 channel now. Maybe world cup is a good time to upgrade to a 50 inch LCD.

Question:

Is dolby digital working on the digital output.

jackdon.
Please put me in the list of B.yond

silly me....i thoguht u meant audio coaxial

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52 oledi..erm, i think this number will increase better coz many people still waiting the b.yond

Try to call CS day and night, everyday and I have tried this for 2 weeks and manage to get it done.

First off, I'm not affiliated with Astro or its subsidiaries or anything relating to their B.yond business. I do believe that you can complain about B.yond but you have to be fair about it.

So are you seriously comparing Astro to NHK? NHK is the father of HDTV and have developed it over 20 years. NHK is developing Ultra HD right now. Do you want to compare B.yond against that as well?

Your math is off. You cannot lump HD, SD and radio channels onto the total amount of bandwidth 9 transponders have. That's because each transponder has a bandwidth limit.

10982 Vertical signal on Measat has HBO HD and NGC HD, with 10 SD channels. So if like you say, HD video is 8 Mbps, then the two HD channels + Dolby Digital 5.1 are 8348kbps x 2= 16696kbps. That leaves 13304kbps for the rest of the 10 channels for audio and video. The other transponders have between 10-13 channels, most of which are SD.

The good thing about DVB is that it employs multiplexing prior to uplink, which provides bit allocation to the channels that need it most. This smart variable encoding ensures that a decent video quality can be achieved. Can Astro reduces the number of channels per transponder to ensure a higher quality? Sure but I'm not privy to their business plan. 10-13 channels per transponder is what they are going for at the moment.

The bit rate only tells you the numbers but not about video codec. MPEG-1 is the VCD codec. It's not efficient at all nor is it variable. MPEG-2 is the one currently employed by Astro's SD channels as well as on DVD. It's a variable bit-rate codec which means it can go higher or lower.

In the above example, 13304kbps means that on average 1.3Mbps will go to each of the 10 channels on that transponder. But don't forget that not all channels will need 1.3Mbps at any given moment. Some need a higher rate for 2-3 seconds and some lower. That's where the multiplexer on the ground will determine which channel will get what bitrate at which time to maximize video quality.

With H.264 at 13304kbps for 10 SD channels, the video quality will certainly increase.

Can Astro ease up on the channel loading per transponder? Sure. But how will that affect their business plan? Will that require higher subscription fees?

MPEG-4 is H.264.

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Added on January 3, 2010, 1:52 pm Actually, if you look at BD, the bitrates there for 1080p can drop to below 8 Mbps while still maintaining high quality; this is done using both H.264 and VC-1 codecs. But for "normal" scenes, 12-15 Mbps at 1080p is a better option.

You must remember that D-Theater used MPEG-2. At 28Mbps on H.264, it's very high quality.

Check if your HDTV is HDCP compliant. If it's not, that will explain why your DVI-HDMI converter doesn't work.

It does. It also works via HDMI-to-Receiver.


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This post has been edited by writesimply: Jan 3 2010, 01:56 PM

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Enjoying Astro Byond HBO HD on my 70"~

Are u old plasma is HD ready?

From what I know, HD ready TV should meet this minimum requirement:
1- A native resolution of at least 720 lines in widescreen format
2- The ability to accept HD input in YPbPr and via DVI or HDMI
2- It must accept 720p50, 720p60, 1080i25 and 1080i30 input signals
4- The DVI or HDMI input supports HDCP content protection

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Astro decoder only output p50 i believe.. My brother TV from us cannot display anything either through hdmi or component. His TV only support p60..

True.

Not necessarily true. See below.

HDCP is quite new, ratified by the FCC in 2004 and by the EU in 2005. HD broadcast and HDTVs have been around much longer than HDCP. So his TV may not have HDCP.

This is another possible explanation. Many US HDTVs are i30/60 or p24 only so i25/50 sources gets a blank signal. However most HD projectors use all of the HD standards.


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This post has been edited by writesimply: Jan 3 2010, 03:32 PM

care to PM me your installer details if u have
i can't stand sabah's astro already......they're so lazy

Still waiting for my Discovery HD. I hope they fix the 5.1 booming sound issue and hope if they are to implement Subs, dont make it hardcoded. Make it optional.