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 Next Gen Console: PS3 vs XBOX 360 vs. Wii, Next Gen speculation discussion

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post Jun 15 2006, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(ikanayam @ Jun 15 2006, 01:34 PM)
Well IBM/nvidia/ati isn't selling at a loss. It's microsoft that's selling at a loss. And Cell and Xenon aren't exactly power efficient. Xenon consumes 85W in its current form, and Cell probably consumes more. A Yonah/Conroe based cpu would probably kill them in terms of performance/watt. If you're talking about manufacturing capacity, intel has plenty. That's one of the reasons why Apple switched (in addition to the performance/watt)
Well, I didn't say that Intel/AMD would be selling at a loss, but a reduced profit margin compared to if it were sold on the traditional PC market. Regardless, it was just my hypothesis. smile.gif

QUOTE(ikanayam @ Jun 15 2006, 01:34 PM)
It may be that IBM is the only one that is willing to customize their chips that much.
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That too.. and the fact that IBM isn't tied up in the CPU brawl.

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post Jun 19 2006, 11:07 AM

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Kojima-isms: Quirky Ways of Looking at Game Consoles

"To refresh your memory, last year I said the PlayStation 3 was a big meal that you have once a year, the 360 was a special meal that you have on weekends, and the Revolution - as it was called at the time - was your everyday meal. Last year, it was the same family changing meals according to the situation; that was my line on it."

"Now, the PlayStation 3 is like a movie theater for people who want to see this movie on the big screen with THX and 5.1 audio, even if they have to pay a high price. The Xbox 360 is DVD. Basically, you don't know what movie you want to see, so you go to the store and see if you can pick up a good one. The Wii is like a TV for when you're home and you don't know what you want to watch but you [want to] have that variety."


more: http://wii.qj.net/Kojima-isms-Quirky-Ways-...pg/49/aid/56262
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Cute summary there Fariz smile.gif

Wii60 = Average meals(nasi campur) daily and fancy dinner on weekends? Sounds good to me!! biggrin.gif Now that's *average* lifestyle!
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post Jun 29 2006, 05:35 PM

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Another good blog on Sony's "Identity Crisis"

http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=720815...cUserId=5473248
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post Jul 4 2006, 12:41 AM

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I think can only afford one meal. biggrin.gif ..either eat everyday ..or only have special weekends..or just that once a year meal alone. cannot have so much.
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Going by Kojima san's analogy. The WII has already won the next-gen war. LOL.
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post Jul 13 2006, 08:41 PM

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I can't stand all this fanboism. Why can't they just go play their favorite console and leave the others alone? doh.gif

I almost went into a fight with my roommate just now. What caused it? I told him I want to buy Xbox 360. He told me I should just wait for Wii or PS3. When I told him I'm going to get all 3 consoles, he said PS3 is better than Xbox 360 because of Blu-Ray, and I should just save my money till PS3 launched.

Excuse me; tell me again why Blu-Ray is better? Because it has bigger capacity compared to Xbox 360's "old" DVD9 discs? To me, the extra space Blu-Ray has to offer is only good for storing pre-rendered cut scenes. But with the rendering power that Xbox 360 and PS3 have, I don't think pre-rendered cut scenes are necessary; real-time cut scene will suffice. And let's say in the future, DVD9 storage is not enough, they can always use multiple discs. I don't see people complaining when Final Fantasy 8 are released on 4 discs; so why complain now?

Then he asks how much Xbox 360 and its game would cost. I told him around RM 1500 for the console; and around RM 150 for a game. He said it was expensive. Then I told him that PS3 is even more expensive. USD 599 for the console, and the games are rumored to be USD 99.99 each. He said it was cheap. I found it funny hearing that from someone who never bought an original game before (well, he have 1 original PSP game that he uses to boot pirated game from his PSP memory stick if that even counts as contribution to games developer).

Then he asks what game I want to play on Xbox 360. I told him Dead or Alive 4, Enchanted Arms, Ninety-Nine Nights, Kameo, etc. Then I showed him a gameplay video of Dead or Alive 4. He commented, "The gameplay is normal; nothing special about it". I said, "I know you'll like the game if it's made for PS3 instead." He smiled.

I don't know what his problem. I want to buy Xbox 360. It's my money. And like I said before, I'll eventually buy all 3 consoles; which means I'll even buy the PS3 that he worships so much. So, what's the problem? He makes me feel uneasy. I have a feeling that when I finally bought Xbox 360, he will continue all his Sony fanboism (although I think the real fanboy should support the company that they worship by getting the original games) and I'll go crazy. rclxub.gif

Okay, maybe this post make me look like I'm a Microsoft fanboy, believe me, I'm not. I love all 3 consoles, and will eventually get PS3 and Wii when a game that I like launches on that console. I love Dead or Alive, when it goes to Xbox, I bought an Xbox; and I love Final Fantasy, since it's on Sony's console, I'll get the console. True gamer goes where the game goes, and not b**** the game because it's not on the console that they like / own. doh.gif
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post Jul 14 2006, 12:33 AM

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Dear Zaidi, a true gamer will play all regardless of the system. Well you roomate ought to be stupid or idiot. What is the need to worship the console. You gain nothing right. Like me, as long as it is fun, I play. Be it Xbox, 360, SNES, Megadrive, PS, PS2, NES and of course ATARI.

He needs a life la kawan!!
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post Jul 14 2006, 04:47 AM

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Interesting article on Cell's yield.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3295

I foresee a frantic search for 8 cores PS3 and a homebrew software that turns the last core on and puts your PS3 on cracks. Why get a 7 core and be royally screwed when one of the core hits the Davy Jones' locker (customary pirate quote in view of new pirate flick)? Redundancy FTW.
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QUOTE(ray_ @ Jul 14 2006, 04:47 AM)
Interesting article on Cell's yield.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3295

I foresee a frantic search for 8 cores PS3 and a homebrew software that turns the last core on and puts your PS3 on cracks. Why get a 7 core and be royally screwed when one of the core hits the Davy Jones' locker (customary pirate quote in view of new pirate flick)? Redundancy FTW.
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out of 100 CELL chips being developed, only 10-20 can be use. that would put a big hole in SONY pocket. and now with the news that the Blu-Ray lens can't be produced enough for PS3, i wonder will PS3 be launch this Nov?
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jul 14 2006, 08:42 AM)
i wonder will PS3 be launch this Nov?
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Probably yes, but there going to be shortage of stock.
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QUOTE(mzaidi @ Jul 13 2006, 08:41 PM)
I can't stand all this fanboism. Why can't they just go play their favorite console and leave the others alone?  doh.gif

I almost went into a fight with my roommate just now. What caused it? I told him I want to buy Xbox 360. He told me I should just wait for Wii or PS3. When I told him I'm going to get all 3 consoles, he said PS3 is better than Xbox 360 because of Blu-Ray, and I should just save my money till PS3 launched.

Excuse me; tell me again why Blu-Ray is better? Because it has bigger capacity compared to Xbox 360's "old" DVD9 discs? To me, the extra space Blu-Ray has to offer is only good for storing pre-rendered cut scenes. But with the rendering power that Xbox 360 and PS3 have, I don't think pre-rendered cut scenes are necessary; real-time cut scene will suffice. And let's say in the future, DVD9 storage is not enough, they can always use multiple discs. I don't see people complaining when Final Fantasy 8 are released on 4 discs; so why complain now?

Then he asks how much Xbox 360 and its game would cost. I told him around RM 1500 for the console; and around RM 150 for a game. He said it was expensive. Then I told him that PS3 is even more expensive. USD 599 for the console, and the games are rumored to be USD 99.99 each. He said it was cheap. I found it funny hearing that from someone who never bought an original game before (well, he have 1 original PSP game that he uses to boot pirated game from his PSP memory stick if that even counts as contribution to games developer).

Then he asks what game I want to play on Xbox 360. I told him Dead or Alive 4, Enchanted Arms, Ninety-Nine Nights, Kameo, etc. Then I showed him a gameplay video of Dead or Alive 4. He commented, "The gameplay is normal; nothing special about it". I said, "I know you'll like the game if it's made for PS3 instead." He smiled.

I don't know what his problem. I want to buy Xbox 360. It's my money. And like I said before, I'll eventually buy all 3 consoles; which means I'll even buy the PS3 that he worships so much. So, what's the problem? He makes me feel uneasy. I have a feeling that when I finally bought Xbox 360, he will continue all his Sony fanboism (although I think the real fanboy should support the company that they worship by getting the original games) and I'll go crazy.  rclxub.gif

Okay, maybe this post make me look like I'm a Microsoft fanboy, believe me, I'm not. I love all 3 consoles, and will eventually get PS3 and Wii when a game that I like launches on that console. I love Dead or Alive, when it goes to Xbox, I bought an Xbox; and I love Final Fantasy, since it's on Sony's console, I'll get the console. True gamer goes where the game goes, and not b**** the game because it's not on the console that they like / own.  doh.gif
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Stay kool. There'll always be people like that. But i bet he won't be much of a fanboy once he found the PS3 to cost RM3000+ (Possibly 3.5 to 4K when going by the initial batches which is usually expensive as our local shops rush to grab their hands on a few units).

And hear this...you should tell him that PS3 will probably not have *ahem* for a very long while as it'll take years for Blue-Ray disc to be mass market...LOL. That should change his tune.



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QUOTE(ray_ @ Jul 14 2006, 04:47 AM)
Interesting article on Cell's yield.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3295

I foresee a frantic search for 8 cores PS3 and a homebrew software that turns the last core on and puts your PS3 on cracks. Why get a 7 core and be royally screwed when one of the core hits the Davy Jones' locker (customary pirate quote in view of new pirate flick)? Redundancy FTW.
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WoooW! Insteresting news!

Read this:

In the interview, Reeves also talks about failure rate as there is a possibility that one of the cores in the Cell will "blow" at any given time. Reeves says that usually, testing during fabrication stages will detect whether a core or more will be problematic. Using electrical "fuses", IBM can "blow" out a core during wafer testing. When asked what would happen if a 7-core PlayStation 3 ends up losing another core during operation, Reeves stated that the user would simply send the unit back for replacement. Unfortunately, this only applies if the console is still under warranty -- if it isn't, the console is dead.

Looks like your RM3K+ toy could blow out anytime and no warranty after a year???

Great going SONY.

doh.gif

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 14 2006, 03:18 PM)
Stay kool. There'll always be people like that. But i bet he won't be much of a fanboy once he found the PS3 to cost RM3000+ (Possibly 3.5 to 4K when going by the initial batches which is usually expensive as our local shops rush to grab their hands on a few units).
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Told him that, he said since the PS3 price is USD 599, it'll be ONLY RM 2216.30 here. He didn't believe me when I told the shops here will mark-up the price to at least around RM 3k. shakehead.gif

QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 14 2006, 03:18 PM)
And hear this...you should tell him that PS3 will probably not have *ahem* for a very long while as it'll take years for Blue-Ray disc to be mass market...LOL. That should change his tune.
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Told him that, didn't work. He actually criticizes me for choosing to buy a console with no modchip. Everyday he will say, "Don't buy Xbox 360, no modchip, waste of money" To actually believe he's studying Game Design ....... shocking.gif
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QUOTE(mzaidi @ Jul 14 2006, 03:36 PM)
Told him that, he said since the PS3 price is USD 599, it'll be ONLY RM 2216.30 here. He didn't believe me when I told the shops here will mark-up the price to at least around RM 3k.  shakehead.gif
Told him that, didn't work. He actually criticizes me for choosing to buy a console with no modchip. Everyday he will say, "Don't buy Xbox 360, no modchip, waste of money" To actually believe he's studying Game Design ....... shocking.gif
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I think you should just leave your "friend" there to rot in his little hole....LOL.

Even the PS2 was like RM2.6K when it was initially released here. With the PS3 like twice the price of the original launch price, it's easily goes into the RM3K to RM4K figure.


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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 14 2006, 03:25 PM)
Looks like your RM3K+ toy could blow out anytime and no warranty after a year???

Great going SONY.

doh.gif
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in US, eletronic equiptment warranty only for 2 months, like xbox 360. i dun know how long the warranty for SG is.
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QUOTE(mzaidi @ Jul 13 2006, 08:41 PM)
I can't stand all this fanboism. Why can't they just go play their favorite console and leave the others alone?  doh.gif
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Well, just buy it...take it easy, play infront of him.
Seriously, xb360 is looking pretty damn sweet now with all the games. The variety is there...or at least 10x better than xbox 1.
The experience is awesome....just get it man. When he sees the xblive marketplace and stuff, he might change his mind smile.gif

Oh..ask your friend to see this new "Mass Effect" video
Damn, just when i thought i have seen..next gen on "Lost Planet". Mass Effect just freakin' blow my mind...
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 14 2006, 02:25 AM)
WoooW! Insteresting news!

Read this:

In the interview, Reeves also talks about failure rate as there is a possibility that one of the cores in the Cell will "blow" at any given time. Reeves says that usually, testing during fabrication stages will detect whether a core or more will be problematic. Using electrical "fuses", IBM can "blow" out a core during wafer testing. When asked what would happen if a 7-core PlayStation 3 ends up losing another core during operation, Reeves stated that the user would simply send the unit back for replacement. Unfortunately, this only applies if the console is still under warranty -- if it isn't, the console is dead.

Looks like your RM3K+ toy could blow out anytime and no warranty after a year???

Great going SONY.

doh.gif
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Sigh... i guess no one bothered to read the actual interview...

Dailytech is like a glorified version of the inquirer. They fail to understand even the simplest things.

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 14 2006, 03:51 PM)
I think you should just leave your "friend" there to rot in his little hole....LOL.
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I've left him alone (as in didn't talk to him), but he keep bugging me and there's nothing I can do. I can't change room / roommate; my campus' policy.

QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Jul 15 2006, 01:04 AM)
Well, just buy it...take it easy, play infront of him.
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I've shown him some gameplay video (GRAW, DOA4, Mass Effect, Lost Planet) and obviously he's impressed by it (although he didn't admit, but I can see he's impressed).

I've shown him a comparasion of Xbox 360's spec vs PS3's spec and he didn't believe me when I told him both console have almost the same power. He also didn't belive that PS3's GPU is based on NV47 (which is GeForce 7). His defense is that PS3 spec isn't finalised yet. If the spec isn't finalised, when will they start manufacturing PS3? How can they get enough unit for launch if they didn't start manufacturing already? doh.gif

One wierd thing is; he's actually considering to buy an Xbox 360 (originally he wants to ge to new PC) after considering Xbox 360 is cheaper than a High-End graphic card. Then later, he said he'll get a PC because I'm going to get an Xbox 360 and because I'm his roommate, he can tumpang play mine. Then after a few moments, he starts to bash Xbox 360 and start his PS3 worshiping.

Till this day, I don't know whether he actually love or hate Xbox 360. But one thing for sure, I know he'll only buy PS3 when a modchip is available.
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mzaidi,

You look like a distance cousin of ikanayam. You must have been to Galapagos and got morphed into ..... "Tupaiayam".

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