if only the tilt contoller can be intergrated into an FPS.. that would add up the appeal for PS3... im sick of playing FPS with 2 analog stick.. its too slow... i just wish that i could held up my controller and shot the heck out of everything... imagine the old days with the tv gun plus the the ability to move around... sweet...

wii have the best presentation i think.

ps3 price really is the turn off

Major Nelson (Microsoft) about PS3 Online Gaming

He is really deadly...

me too!

wahaha funny

Shouldn't it be like THIS?

If u think PS3 is expensive... u forgot to consider the price level with current inflation.. neo geo and 3d0 launch during their time is more expensive

check this out!!

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/archives...l_relative.html

and to all of u who thinks sony copy the wii controller.. think again.. sony has patented the technology in 1999... check this out...

http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5630

err, i believe we compare it between other consoles, not by years and inflation. if by inflation, then wii is too cheap already

You're forgetting one thing:

The 3DO and Neo Geo both flopped, horribly.

It's nowhere near as innovative as the Wiimote. But I do think the redesign it after Wiimote was revealed.

As for tilting controller, Microsoft has one way back in 1998

Those who know about the difference between what sony has and what nintendo has will definitely not say sony copied the wiimote. As i said before, a simple tilt sensor is not a gyroscope.

And seriously, they patented a tilt sensor. Big deal.

Think of it this way.. Sony couldnt use the rumble feature for the PS3 contoller because of the legal battle , the use of the rumble feature will only be determined after the battle is over... so they had to substitute it with something.. would u rather have a controller with just button and analog stick but without any additional feature tu replace the shock mechanism... or u could have it with the tilt sensor... i guess Sony is adding value to its product... which is of course benefitting the consumer ...

As for Wiimote.. yeah its cool... super cool .. but.. i dont see how comfortable it is if u want to play sports games or games that requires a lot of button usage... of course u can play golf as if its golf in reality.. just swing it... but.. i dont see much comfort in playing other type of games... plus 2 hand holding one joystick is better than 1 hand holding one joystick each... how long could u hold it without the support of the other arm... even with kboard n mouse u still have to put ur arm down at the table for support... so to me wii means fun but not hours of fun at a time... sound a good reason to buy for parents who dont want their kids playing the game for too long...

And as for the tilting controller from MSoft... what does it do actually? I never knew they got game that support that feature...

Its true that 3DO and Neo Geo both flopped... but i guess u didnt view the chart at all arent you... if u compare it.. it even cheaper than Atari 2600 a.k.a VCS.. which of course the best console in its era... heck PS3 is even cheaper than Saturn... and i even thought Saturn was cheap enough last time silly me

Funny that you say I didn't look at the chart. I looked at BOTH charts, thanks to curmudgeon_gamer. I don't know which charts YOU were looking at, but My point that I was trying to make is simple:

Why launch at a price point that indirectly links you to OTHER console launches that ended up to be failures?

The graph is clear on one point: any console that launches in excess of USD 600 ultimately flops. Why be associated with that?

OTOH, Nintendo consoles seem to be getting cheaper with each iteration - and relatively successful at that.

So, did you look at both graphs?

Haha, it's damn funny!

PS3 will flop. Its a given.

USD 600++ console ultimately flops.. hmm.. nicely put.. but... have u taken into consideration why it flops... surely not just of the price... what ur saying is the same with those people who say PS2 was too expensive at launch... nobody would want to buy it... but Sony prove them wrong too... u got to take into account what did u get with that USD600+... i dont think u understand the relative comparison in that chart.. hmm nevermind.. we stick to the current price...

Its true that Nintendo console is getting cheaper... and u could say successful.. but how successful... Nintendo's market share has drop significantly compared to the days when they compete with sega... all nintendo manage to do till this point is keep them in the game... and Wii might be their saviour is possibility.. but remember Wii main attraction is not the price.. but its innovation...

If u say cheap console will win.. u can get a micro genius for under RM30 nowadays.. yet.. it didnt have any appeal to consumer anymore... all im saying that is cheap price is no guarantee for a console success... even the price cut on the xbox didnt help microsoft that much last time... its the appeal to the console itself... innovation, performance and software libraries ... in malaysia.. u can take one more factor into consideration.. pirates of the carribean... haha...

BTW .. the 1st time NVIDIA and ATI put a card for a price of a complete pc.. people say the same thing too.. yet people still buy the card... hehe.. nowadays even 2 of those cards for CF and SLI... hehe...

Without getting into fanboyism, let's just say that I've made my point. It doesn't matter that Nintendo's market share has dropped or Microsoft's not doing well in Japan. No where did I say that price alone determined a console's success - but it can play a MAJOR part in determining whether it becomes something that parents will buy.

You have to remember to discriminate between early adopters (hence your Gfx card analogy) and the REST of THE WORLD.

Sure, some people will buy it the moment it launches, but I'm thinking that a lot of us will wait till the price stabilises, especially parents.

*bangs table continuously*

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