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 1120 Park Avenue - PJ South, any comments?

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king4891
post Jan 13 2010, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(AbangCorp @ Jan 13 2010, 06:24 PM)
really

my lawyer from tee bee kim says ocbc is the best bank
they really know how to take care of their client

but they never return me with a quotation
i think i kena macam one of our 1120 pa purchaser + lyn member
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Cannot trust lawyer because they have commission from the bank and bank will pass business to them. Sure they will tell the bank is the best of the best.
20yrsinsrisentosa
post Jan 13 2010, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(king4891 @ Jan 13 2010, 07:05 PM)
Cannot trust lawyer because they have commission from the bank and bank will pass business to them. Sure they will tell the bank is the best of the best.
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yes, furthermore, we HAVE NO LAWYER! the lawyer that handle my s&p agreement and loan agreement explained to me so. in the case of s&p agreement, the lawyer is on behalf of developer. in the case of loan agreement, the lawyer is on behalf on the bank! the bank simply give us an option to use back the panel lawyer from developer instead of bank to find someone else. we have no lawyer.


Added on January 13, 2010, 7:21 pm
QUOTE(AbangCorp @ Jan 13 2010, 06:24 PM)
really

my lawyer from tee bee kim says ocbc is the best bank
they really know how to take care of their client

but they never return me with a quotation
i think i kena macam one of our 1120 pa purchaser + lyn member
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tee bee kim is not your lawyer. he is the lawyer of developer and your selected bank lawyer.

This post has been edited by 20yrsinsrisentosa: Jan 13 2010, 07:22 PM
AbangCorp
post Jan 13 2010, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(KChan @ Jan 13 2010, 03:17 PM)
Apparently the developer only make arrangements with the branch listed by them. The other branch do not know about such arrangement with the developer. How the developer deal on the interest payment is that the branch loan dept will kept all the loan for the financing for this project in a special folder. This particular branch will then forward the interest charges to the developer which then the developer will pay. On the other hand, if the bank do not know such financing scheme, then the bank will bill us the interest which the developer doesn't know about. So any penalty, we have to bear.

I had ask my loan officer to check with his branch manager regarding this, so he told me its ok. His branch will make sure they forward the interest statement to the branch which deal with the developer. So now can sleep better.

At first I was worry lar. But the developer really need better informed sales personnel. All of them can't seem to answer the questions correctly or everyone give a different answers. Aiseh!!! If this is the kind of arrangement, then the developer shall use the word "mandatory" instead of "encourage" to contact the panel of financier.

I did get my rate as BLR-2.0% and free loan legal documentation fees.
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i also intended to go other branch, but look like if they dont know i need it urgently, alas i will be the losing end. they will do like normal, delay like normal. if delay is not normal then it is a good thing then

i also felt that if they dont know the arrangement, they will also took even longer and do not even bother what we are having (a loan, and a repayment by developer). look like to many process, so i think better take from their given branch

when someone from pbb is calling me for processing, it looks like they pretty sure what they are doing
he said, "oh, for this project we need to speed up your application to hq"
i am really happy, but alas just ngam2 before time expires, with a lot of calling and meeting of course

i met the banker, i think 2 time for initial processing and 2 times in the middle of everything, and another 2 times waiting for the offer letter


Added on January 13, 2010, 8:00 pm
QUOTE(20yrsinsrisentosa @ Jan 13 2010, 07:16 PM)
yes, furthermore, we HAVE NO LAWYER! the lawyer that handle my s&p agreement and loan agreement explained to me so. in the case of s&p agreement, the lawyer is on behalf of developer. in the case of loan agreement, the lawyer is on behalf on the bank! the bank simply give us an option to use back the panel lawyer from developer instead of bank to find someone else. we have no lawyer.


Added on January 13, 2010, 7:21 pm

tee bee kim is not your lawyer. he is the lawyer of developer and your selected bank lawyer.
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yalah
i felt the same way too sad.gif

i do heard there's bank 1 lawyer, you another lawyer for loan agreement
developer 1 lawyer, you another lawyer for snp

and of course it cost more, and longer

This post has been edited by AbangCorp: Jan 13 2010, 08:02 PM
king4891
post Jan 13 2010, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(20yrsinsrisentosa @ Jan 13 2010, 07:16 PM)
yes, furthermore, we HAVE NO LAWYER! the lawyer that handle my s&p agreement and loan agreement explained to me so. in the case of s&p agreement, the lawyer is on behalf of developer. in the case of loan agreement, the lawyer is on behalf on the bank! the bank simply give us an option to use back the panel lawyer from developer instead of bank to find someone else. we have no lawyer.
Actually consulted my lawyer, he said if for new property then is very safe to use same lawyer but not advisable for subsale.

Reason is subsale the seller might cheat (not the lawyer cheat) us.
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post Jan 13 2010, 11:27 PM

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what u guys think of the offer letter from ocbc??

to many words till i pening edy.

any hidden charges that i miss out?
sarsi00
post Jan 13 2010, 11:33 PM

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ocbc that bad meh ? aiks i took my loan with them wor...
they told me all about those charges.. which i think is fair..
coz other bank ie UOB also charge the same etc etc
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post Jan 13 2010, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(sarsi00 @ Jan 13 2010, 11:33 PM)
ocbc that bad meh ? aiks i took my loan with them wor...
they told me all about those charges.. which i think is fair..
coz other bank ie UOB also charge the same etc etc
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chill dude,

i never said they are bad.

just that im blur out with all the tnc.


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post Jan 13 2010, 11:47 PM

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anyone has any idea about the management fees?
20yrsinsrisentosa
post Jan 14 2010, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(lamode @ Jan 13 2010, 11:47 PM)
anyone has any idea about the management fees?
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rm0.17 * yours house total square feet.
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post Jan 14 2010, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(20yrsinsrisentosa @ Jan 14 2010, 12:20 AM)
rm0.17 * yours house total square feet.
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i tot i saw rm 0.15* per sq feet ?? hehe.. lets clarify
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post Jan 14 2010, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(kornflake @ Jan 13 2010, 11:27 PM)
what u guys think of the offer letter from ocbc??

to many words till i pening edy.

any hidden charges that i miss out?
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If you scan and post it here then a lot of people will help you read and give comment. smile.gif
KChan
post Jan 14 2010, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(king4891 @ Jan 13 2010, 05:26 PM)
PBB told me that if finance very clean then can get higher deduct of BLR. I believe this is your first property? It is good education from PBB, which encourage us to buy house first then only buy car and other loan gadget.... smile.gif
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This is not my first property. But I have very clean record with PBB la. No account with them at all. Hahahhaa.
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post Jan 14 2010, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(kornflake @ Jan 13 2010, 11:27 PM)
what u guys think of the offer letter from ocbc??

to many words till i pening edy.

any hidden charges that i miss out?
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OCBC bank did offer a good rate for this project cos for standard offer in the market they only offer up to BLR-1.80% only.

OCBC lock in period calculate from 1st drawdown of the loan which is suitable for those buy for investment (lock in period is 5 years from first drawdown); you can selling off your unit if can get a good price after 5 year from 1st drawdown.

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PBB lock in period calculate from full drawdown (3 yrs under con + 5 year from full drawdown); if you selling your unit in between 5th-8th yrs you will need to pay penalty 3% which will reduce your return on investment.

OCBC & PBB Penalty charges if you sold off or refinance your loan = 3% of initial loan amount.

OCBC RM10 per withdraw if you want to withdraw you extra repayment to your housing loan; minimum amount RM5k & multiple of RM1k; 3 working days to process

Vs

PBB RM50 per withdraw if you want to withdraw your extra repayment to your housing loan; minimum amount RM5k & multiple of RM1k; 3 working day to process



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post Jan 14 2010, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(sarsi00 @ Jan 14 2010, 12:33 AM)
i tot i saw rm 0.15*  per sq feet ?? hehe.. lets clarify
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It is RM 0.15 + 10% for sinking fund. It's RM 0.165 per sq feet

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chris lee
post Jan 14 2010, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(KChan @ Jan 14 2010, 10:13 AM)
It is RM 0.15 + 10% for sinking fund. It's RM 0.165 per sq feet
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what is mean by sinking fund?
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post Jan 14 2010, 10:26 AM

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post Jan 14 2010, 10:35 AM

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i do heard there's bank 1 lawyer, you another lawyer for loan agreement
developer 1 lawyer, you another lawyer for snp

and of course it cost more, and longer
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S&PA paid by developer so the lawyer will represent the developer.
Loan Agreement paid by borrower but lawyer will represent the bank(non free moving cost package)

S&PA lawyer definitely will ask you to use them as the loan lawyer cos they only pay a minimum fees from developer to prepare the S&PA, so they will ask you to pass back the loan to them to get more income from one case.

You can appoint another lawyer other than S&PA lawyer to handling the Loan Agreement due to you paying the Legal Fee + Stamp Duty for the loan agreement.

You can choose to use difference lawyer to handling S&PA & Loan Agreement for under construction project because the condo not yet start construction and there would be no progressive claim from developer. Got enough time for loan lawyer to finish all the paper work before 1st drawdown.

I come accross with cases even though the S&PA & Loan Agreement lawyer is the same but still can't make it on time for the drawdown of the loan;regardless of what reason of the delaying in payment to developer borrower still will need to bear the late payment interest.

My advise is you will need to monitoring after you sign the letter of offer & Loan Agreement. Call the banker or the loan agreement lawyer once in two weeks to check on the latest status so you will not miss the due date set by developer for the 1st drawdown of the loan. Normally is the 1st drawdown got problem.

Normal process of a loan before 1st drawdown:

sign Letter of Offer - sign S&PA - sign Loan Agreement - Letter of Advice - Loan Disburse to developer
you will need to start monitoring your loan drawdown after you sign the Loan Agreement.
20yrsinsrisentosa
post Jan 14 2010, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(jwgan822003 @ Jan 14 2010, 10:35 AM)

You can appoint another lawyer other than S&PA lawyer to handling the Loan Agreement due to you paying the Legal Fee + Stamp Duty for the loan agreement.
will the another lawyer charge higher than the one handling the S&P for us? if same price, i see no reason why don't we appoint another lawyer as u said unless we doesn't know this procedure clear enough.
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post Jan 14 2010, 11:04 AM

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No use appoint own lawyer when buying from developer. You still have to sign the standard legal (eg. SnP) from the developer.

You get own lawyer when selling or buying a secondary property. The buyer's lawyer will negotiate the terms and condition in the SnP with the seller's lawyer. So as buyer or seller, your lawyer will represent your benefits lar.


Added on January 14, 2010, 11:07 am
QUOTE(chris lee @ Jan 14 2010, 10:25 AM)
what is mean by sinking fund?
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What is "sinking fund"?

Both Section 46 of the Strata Titles Act, 1985 and Schedule H of the Housing Developers (Control and Licensing) Regulations 1989 (amended in 2002) stipulate that the sinking fund (called "special fund") in the Strata Titles Act) be used to meet major liabilities of the strata estate.

Some developers collect this fund by way of governing documents, such as a Deed of Mutual Covenants, prior to the establishment of a management corporation for the development, while others rely on the provisions of the Schedule H.

Unit owners in a strata title development must contribute to this sinking fund, which is kept as a reserve fund to meet major replacement of parts of the common property.

The collection of the sinking fund should not be confused with service charges, which are meant for the general maintenance and management of the common property and for the other services the developer has agreed to provide.

As a building ages, parts need to be replaced and without a sinking fund, it will deteriorate. It is easy to understand this if you compare it with the maintenance of a car. Spending on regular maintenance such as changing the engine oil, filter and spark plugs, is akin to paying the monthly maintenance charge of the condo.

However, as car owners know, they will also need a reserve fund to replace parts as the car gets older and for unplanned occurances such as new tyres, a broken windshield, or even repaint.

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QUOTE(AbangCorp @ Jan 12 2010, 10:16 PM)
Lets make sure our condo finished on time

1 – graneon pg 1 post 16
2 – legolas pg 1 post 19 B3-XX-XX (facing west)
3 – 0106127 pg 2 post 22
4 – ethan99’s friend pg 2 post 23
5 – ethan99 pg 2 post 26 B1-XX-XX
6 – ausmat pg 2 post 31 B1-XX-XX
7 – borebby pg 3 post 46
8 – cheraspeople pg 3 post 48
9 – limyusiong pg 3 post 54 B1-09-XX (L unit nr 1, 14)
10 – gstrapinuse pg 3 post 57
11 – legolas’s friend 01 pg 3 post 58 B3-15-XX
12 – legolas’s friend 02 pg 3 post 58 B3-16-XX
13 – colt45 pg 4 post 61
14 – aliciaqsp pg 4 post 69 B1-12-06 (s2)
15 – klkow pg 4 post 70 B3-11-13 (S unit)
16 – sk00 pg 4 post 76 B3-XX-08 (m)
17 – iceanise pg 5 post 81 (m unit nr 7, 8, 9, 10, facing east)
18 – sarsi00 pg 5 post 87 BX-11-XX (l unit nr 1, 14)
19 – trextan pg 5 post 90 B3-XX-XX (plan to release unit)
20 – juneodue pg 6 post 107 (plan to release unit)
21 – dxt pg 6 post 118 B1-07-08 (m)
22 – brianchinh pg 7 post 123 B1-04-07 (m)
23 – limwc78 pg 7 post 133
24 – 20yrsinsrisentosa pg 7 post 135
25 – misnail pg 8 post 148
26 – cambede pg 8 post 152 B3-14-XX (s unit nr 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 11, 12, 13) released
27 – mzmz --> abangcorp pg 10 post 190 B1-15-02 (s)
28 - estherlo pg 13 post 250 (assumption)
29 - raymond2451 pg 14 post 263 (M unit nr 7, 8, 9, 10)
30 - king4891 pg 14 post 264 B3-XX-13A (L)
31 - ntick pg 14 post 279 B3-XX-XX
32 - ntick's sister pg 14 post 279 B3-XX-XX
33 - fiecks84 pg 15 post 295 B1-0X-09 (M)
34 - oucheev pg 19 post 375 (assumption)
35 - kornflake pg 19 post 380 (assumption)
36 - nmt170 pg 20 post 383
37 - KChan pg 21 post 412 B3-xx-03A (s)
38 - oucheev pg 21 post 419
39 - Nee2010 pg 22 post 439 (plan to release, type l)
40 - EVA01 pg 31 post 606 BX-XX-11
41 - alexlean pg 33 post 658 B1-xx-02
42 - chris lee pg 34 post 665 B1-XX-13A
43 - fivezal pg 40 post 790 B1-XX-09 (m)
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i manage to collect up to page 34 of this thread

taken from somebody post

Phase 1 should be no more than 476 units based on the calculation 17x14x2=476 (lower grounds have less than 14 units per floor). And Phase 1 & 2 in total are 1120 units. That's where the name 1120 Park Avenue comes from

40 / 470 = 0.0851 * 100% = 8.5% 1120 pa buyer are lowyat member
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