SG sis set launch on next week already ==

dunno wow.. here normally slow 2-3 week geh..

singapore and here make no difference... still will have people bring from Singapore and it not difficult to claim warranty because it is quite close. So singapore launch = M'sia launch ..

Its ok lar bro. Its just a discussion .

Anyway Singapore has an announcement on upcoming Desire release. But no such announcement in Malaysia yet. So SG availability doesn't count. Although some people will automatically assume MY retail availability once SG sets are available because Singapore is just next door. Its easy to forgive such an assumption. However, one must also consider that normal consumers don't buy gadgets like us freaks hehehehe... And I'm speaking from the conventional consumers point of view. While many people likes the idea of buying an AP just to be the first to own something great, there are thousands who consider other needs like local support, peace of mind, the same of stories we've read, etc.

By the way, I've never said next week Desire price will go down to RM2000. A RM340 price drop in a few days would be disastrous and put many AP traders into trouble. Because buyers now know AP traders couldn't justify the RM2340 price point and will suffer a consumer backlash. I merely indicated that AP Desire price will most likely fall once Original sets are available. Why? Because original price will likely target the current AP price if SiS want to keep AP/parallel importers at bay (or teach them a painful lesson, we all know SiS hates AP traders). SiS knows and the consumer knows Ori > AP due to warranty support. A lot of people value this. Period. Lets not even talk about geek's perspective on warranty support and product reliability rendering Ori a waste of money. Thats the age old debate.

The only way AP price will stick or increase is if original retail price is higher or a lot higher than AP price. This is no fun talk. This is simple economics (of course it would be more complex in the real world). We've seen the trend before.

Yes, the key is we don't know when original units will come. But we know 2 things, its hard to obtain and everybody wants one. So AP price increase. Once SG sets are available, AP price will come down a little (assuming SG don't have stock issues).

This post has been edited by davidmak: Apr 30 2010, 02:43 PM

for exp the NEXUS, sg launch for some times d.. yet here not gonna launch wow..
dunno why the local SIS not fast fast geh...
mayb not target on this market?
or other reasons not take.. who knows?

Nexus One is not marketed under HTC's name although HTC manufactured it. It's under Google's name. Google has all say on where it will be distributed. SiS only distributed for HTC, not Google.

what will be the price??

everyone is guessing, no one knows until officially announcement from htc....

Hi bro, I would like to know which shop you bought the HTC AP set? ^^
coz what i heard from my fren, i have a bad impression on AP set, but i change the view after saw ur post.

if I buy now at Rm2.3k ... and when sis set of 2.3k release , I wont feel any dissatisfied .. because I am going to root it after 2 4 months of usage . .. After root it will void the warranty , because a "unlock" sign will show when phone reboot .

Cannot change to the stock root or something?

cant , it would not be the same as Iphone . Let me clarify 1st , the rooting wont void the warranty , but in order to root , you have to modify the bootloader , modify the bootloader is voiding the warranty . Bootloader is someting that you cant flash with stock bootloader , once it is modify , it stayed there forever. When you start your pc , a black screen appear first right ? that's one bootloader.

And do you know why you shouldnt wait and grab the ap set faster ?
check it here
Desire update 1.19 for Asia (release) RUU leaked... checking it out now. Has new radio and a new hboot. DON'T FLASH if you want to root!
Paul from modaco wrote this , he is the one who hack root N1

so if you want to wait for htc sis set , it maybe upgraded to a the firmware which Paul talking about , making you cant root your Desire . Just like new Iphone 3GS cant be jailbroken , I remember it is OS 3.1.3 , correct me if I am wrong .. root is having root access making you can use apps to SD

btw , I am getting my Desire on tomolo , Rm2340

This post has been edited by linkinawe: Apr 30 2010, 03:53 PM

remember to unroot back n restore to the ori setting, still can claim, dun worry..

for Ap set only or apply to both ap and sis ? because someone told me this before , a user who bought Nexus 1

So , if we don wanna root still can play games but not stored in the SD card nia ar?

Unroot possible? The guy above said cannot

yeah , a good game like exzeus need 60mb space .. but Desire only have around 160mb to store apps ... with ROM limitation , you can only install 2 games + few apps

Its not SiS's fault. People need to know there are 2 categories of Android phones. (1) with Google or Google phones and (2) OEM Google Phones made by HTC, SE, Motorola, etc). The Google phones are not meant for retail audience. Its targeted more to developers. If you're Google and you have a new OS nobody heard of, what is the strategy to bring it to mass adoption? The answer is content and platform. You will need developers to develop exciting or killer applications to get people excited and buy the phone. And for the developers to develop on Android, they need a platform. They need a working phone. This is where Google G1, Magic and now Nexus One comes in.

They serve to start up the entire eco-system to support Android and make it a competitive OS in the near future. That is why Nexus One is or G1 is so easy to hack. You can basically do everything you would want to do. Rooting, etc. Updates will naturally come faster to these phone because Google want to push the latest and greatest for developers to try on. These are the strategies necessary to make Android a competitive OS.

Now lets turn our attention to phones like HTC, SE, Motorola. These aren't developer phones and targeted for mass consumer. Naturally they have everything a consumer want. Do you think every consumer knows what is root access or even care to root? Not really.

Again, we don't represent the mass consumer. Not every regular consumer know what is root or whether root is good for them. They just want a phone and all those Android goodies. We're different. We're freaks remember? We tweak and try all sorts of stunts. Hehehehe... And yes you're entitled to your opinion. If you're gonna root the phone anyway to do some great apps, by all means. Guess ori or AP, it doesn't matter anymore. Still not every consumer will do that.

Don't think so unless we do a full flash and restoration. I remember when we upgrade to a later firmware/software revision, we will lose root access and everything returned to stock. Probably that is.

If we are familiar enough with how HTC do things or design around their hardware, nothing is really irreversible. Their WinMo phones are a good example. HSPL can be removed and re flashed with stock SPL. Their Android phones however deals with recovery firmware, etc. Slightly different food chain hehehe... but don't worry. We have XDA Developers. We'll get there soon enough. Hopefully rooting or custom flashing will be easier to regular users like you and me.

So , without rooting we can still do whatever there is to do right? Only that we cannot store those apps in SD card?
And i heard that App store doesnt support in Malaysia is that so?
Sorry for the nooby questions , didn owned a android device yet . Considering getting the Desire tho. Most probably the Ori.


This post has been edited by freakenstein: Apr 30 2010, 04:15 PM

Actually we don't lose much if we don't root. Root access is something like access with administrator rights on Windows so you can do whatever you want. In the context of Android or a mobile phone, the reason why we don't have admin rights on the phone or being locked out by manufacturers is so that the phone is secured and not compromised.

The notion of rooting an Android or iPhone or whatever phone for that matter is really all about piracy and getting warez installed . I mean come on, its obvious why people wants to root their phone. Thats the worst part of rooting. The good part of rooting however is to enabled hidden features not ready for prime time like apps installation in SD card or enable some alternate home brew applications to achieve features not originally intended on a phone.

Regarding the Android Market (or Apps Store) support Malaysian users. However, only free apps are available. I'm not sure why paid apps are not available for us. Maybe Google's payment system is not ready for Malaysian market. But you can use Market Enabler which will mask your telco ID to trick it to believe you're on an US telco. But to do this you need to root in order to use the application. So another point why rooting is good. Assuming you're using it for good reasons.

This post has been edited by davidmak: Apr 30 2010, 04:38 PM

Okay , i get what u mean now .. kinda. So , we are better off not rooting if we have an Ori device ? Cuz that voids the warranty.
And yeah , i do not want to void any of my warranty if something mishap happens.