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robertngo
post Jun 24 2010, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(super80 @ Jun 24 2010, 10:53 AM)
u dun be stupid la..1998 is in france...and it's zidane who score the goals...when there is zidane,france can beat brazil always just like in 2006 that time..
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haha, people still talk about the 98 final like france bribe the entire brazilian, but not seen the genius of zidane.
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post Jun 24 2010, 10:58 AM

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post Jun 24 2010, 11:14 AM

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this time england's journey will end in the round of 16.. XD
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post Jun 24 2010, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(sheng @ Jun 24 2010, 11:14 AM)
this time england's journey will end in the round of 16.. XD
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post Jun 24 2010, 01:27 PM

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dont see how england can defeat their two nemesis with their current form to reach semi.
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post Jun 24 2010, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jun 24 2010, 01:27 PM)
dont see how england can defeat their two nemesis with their current form to reach semi.
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can..if England Pay Money To All Team hahahahah
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post Jun 24 2010, 03:19 PM

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Could care less if England get knocked out. Here's a good piece written by former Scotland international and current football pundit, Lou Macari.

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The quality of English football has been on a steady decline since 1996 when Terry Venables was boss. One may argue that it was earlier when Bobby Robson resigned after guiding them to the World Cup semi finals in Italia 90. Compare the squad today with the squad back then. How many Peter Shilton's, Terry Butcher's, Des Walker's, Mark Wright's, Stuart Pearce's, David Platt's, Paul Gascoigne's, Steve McMahon's, Bryan Robson's, Chris Waddle's, John Barnes', Peter Beardsley's or Gary Lineker's do you see in today's squad? Forget names like Lampard, Gerrard or Rooney. None seem to be able to reproduce their club form at international level.

In terms of the minnows doing well, I don't think it's as much about the big sides playing poorly as it is about the smaller sides catching up in terms of quality.
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Pretty much spot on there by Lou Macari.
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post Jun 24 2010, 04:29 PM

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Agreed on smaller sides catching up. With the current globalisation, most players are already plying their trade in Europe (with the exception of North Korea) and thus training methods etc etc are all well 'integrated' within squads, thus leaving nothing surprising. As what Lou said, the only surprises are from the part-timers and the attitudes of the 'smaller' nations i.e. Japan, Algeria, etc of still respecting hierarchy.

I believe that is the real reason for the current World Cup being a bit dull with most games being very very close/tight. Argentina and Spain are still very much sticking to their attacking football so would be interesting if they would drop that when they play the defensive style of most other European teams. Mind you, the Japanese are also quite defensive but that is surely by need rather than choice.

Brazil looks good at times, but still behind Argentina who simply looks a class above.
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post Jun 24 2010, 04:32 PM

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i think it is virtually impossible for england to win the world cup now they did not win the group and got the worst route to final. if only they have score more than one goal they would have go the far easier path to final.

now they need to beat their greatest nemesis germany and argentina, and in the semi most likely spain, and maybe brazil in the final, they could have defeat germany with some luck, they will need to be awefully luckly to beat both germany and argentina, and to beat four heavyweight in a roll is highly improbable especially consider the form of the team are now in and the limited talent they have.

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Where the smaller sides have caught up is in their tactical organisation and physical fitness. There is still a difference in technical quality but it's been made less noticeable because of how well drilled most of the teams seem to be defensively. In fact it seems most teams have neglected to work on how to create chances with good movement and passing. Defensive solidarity seems to have been the priority of most coaches.

As for Brazil and Argentina. I think Brazil have looked better. They have faced better opposition and they look just as assured when they have to defend as well as being very efficient in attack. So far no one that Argentina have played have really tested their slow backline. It'll be interesting to see how Argentina will cope when under pressure.
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QUOTE(verx @ Jun 24 2010, 05:03 PM)
As for Brazil and Argentina. I think Brazil have looked better. They have faced better opposition and they look just as assured when they have to defend as well as being very efficient in attack. So far no one that Argentina have played have really tested their slow backline. It'll be interesting to see how Argentina will cope when under pressure.
Aye, I'm thinking the same thing. Not often in this day and age your manager decides against fullbacks, particularly ones that overlap. Also, 6 strikers? Leaves em a little thin in the middle of the park.

What are your thoughts on Spain's chances?
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jun 24 2010, 05:22 PM)
Aye, I'm thinking the same thing. Not often in this day and age your manager decides against fullbacks, particularly ones that overlap. Also, 6 strikers? Leaves em a little thin in the middle of the park.

What are your thoughts on Spain's chances?
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Well Maradona is like a breath of fresh air in these WC finals isn't he. He's come up with some bizarre lineups which have worked really well so far. I dunno if Mascherano and Veron is enough in the centre when they face tougher opposition though but that's what makes it interesting. We shall see.

As for Spain I think the Switzerland defeat is just what the team needed although it does make the upcoming Chile game a do or die one. But the initial pressure of being heads on favourites is gone; everyone is talking about Argentina and Brazil now and Spain seems to have gone under the radar somewhat with the 2-0 win over Honduras not impressing. They still have the right mix to go all the way imo. No one moves the ball from back to front as fluently and even against the big guns they should be able to dominate possession comfortably. Their defending is abit unorthodox but it seems to suit their style but they are abit more vulnerable to the counter attack as compared to Brazil. I think once the front line gets their sync back and Torres rediscovers his touch with this new ball I wouldn't want to bet against them no matter who they face.
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post Jun 24 2010, 10:51 PM

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now the italian have dug themself a hole, it could have been much worst if that cracking shot in injury time have gone in.

amazingly the slovakia team that have been so negative in the last game are now attacking italy relentlessly shocking.gif

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post Jun 24 2010, 11:57 PM

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well i guess it wasnt the french alone deserving rotten eggs when they go home.coz italy played just the same.

very disgusting stuff, and ive never seen the nazionale so lifeless, no will, no pride and so dead.lippi is a snob and so sombong for ignoring some good players he left.

he was doing things right in the qualification but rather some how come the wc he has lost the plot.
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Actually Italy really has the attacking skill to win the game, but the entire team is full of "old" man, they can't run fast, even opponent outrun them easily. Until it left 10min, every Italy team player is willingly to run to attempt to score goal, you can see that if they can attack like this on the first half. I bet they can score alot, in fact, they are just doing last minute work after all. Cheers unsure.gif
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so far..most exciting match..slovakia vs italy.
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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Jun 25 2010, 12:04 AM)
Actually Italy really has the attacking skill to win the game, but the entire team is full of "old" man, they can't run fast, even opponent outrun them easily. Until it left 10min, every Italy team player is willingly to run to attempt to score goal, you can see that if they can attack like this on the first half. I bet they can score alot, in fact, they are just doing last minute work after all. Cheers  unsure.gif
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well i doubt its down to the age factor.its more of a wrong team selection coupled with tactics and the major thing is no will/heart to give your best.

yes gila/iaquinta is old, but why still stick with them when both of them were shit even in the first game.we had quagliarella, toto di natale, pazzini all ready to run at defenders and score goals and all of them were way better then the lazy gila/iaquinta.even during the qualification stages these 3 were our main source of danger and got us there in the first place.

but no lippi has his so big as$ pride and head clouded and hell bent to prove he was right.i wonder why cant coaches accept some humility and for once go on and admit they were wrong. mad.gif

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QUOTE(mhyug @ Jun 24 2010, 11:57 PM)
well i guess it wasnt the french alone deserving rotten eggs when they go home.coz italy played just the same.

very disgusting stuff, and ive never seen the nazionale so lifeless, no will, no pride and so dead.lippi is a snob and so sombong for ignoring some good players he left.

he was doing things right in the qualification but rather some how come the wc he has lost the plot.
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the italian at least go down fighting till the end, but the defending is just embarassing for a italian team, the second and third slovakia goal would never have go in in the old italian team,

and trust the italian to came out with the best dive of the game, Quagliarella looks like he was punch by tyson when the goalkeeper just scratch his face. and the italian fan booing slovakia for diving is so funny laugh.gif
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jun 25 2010, 12:14 AM)
the italian at least go down fighting till the end, but the defending is just embarassing for a italian team, the second and third slovakia goal would never have go in in the old italian team,

and trust the italian to came out with the best dive of the game, Quagliarella looks like he was punch by tyson when the goalkeeper just scratch his face. and the italian fan booing slovakia for diving is so funny  laugh.gif
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well i dont call that fighting, its just a show of desperation.if they had some sense of responsibility for the shirt they were wearing, they would have actually do better defensibly and offensively in the 1st half.

in this campaign our defence was dismal, while our offence was limited due to our coaches stupidity and failure to accept he was wrong. shakehead.gif

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Marcello Lippi has taken “all responsibility for failing to prepare the team for such an important tournament. They had terror in their legs, heads and hearts.”

The Coach lifted the trophy in 2006, but his return saw Italy crash out in the group phase for the first time since 1974.

“I take all responsibility, none excluded,” he began in his Press conference following the 3-2 defeat to Slovakia.

“Because if a team arrives a such an important appointment as this with the terror in their legs, heads and hearts, unable to express themselves, then it means the Coach has not prepared the squad properly on any level.

“There are tactical and physical issues too, but I think above all it is to do with the psychological aspect. I felt this team could achieve something and evidently I did not prepare them properly. I expected everything but the performance of the first half.

“I am very disappointed to end my second experience on the Italy bench like this. I certainly didn't expect it. I didn't think I'd win the World Cup a second time, but not to crash out in the group phase.

“I wish my successor the best and thank all of you for these four years which were in part fantastic and in part very, very disappointing.”

Italy hadn't gone out in the group phase since 1974, but this was the first time ever that they crashed out without winning a single game.

The Azzurri staged a late fightback with Antonio Di Natale and Fabio Quagliarella, but it was not enough to avoid defeat and bottom place in the group.

“I don't know why they changed in the last 15 minutes. I clearly couldn't prepare them for such an important game, if they played for 75 minutes unable to make any mark - in my view exclusively due to a psychological problem - then it is only the fault of the Coach.

“When a team plays like they did tonight, the only person to blame is he who set them up. I see no other explanation.

“This was not like the first two games, where you have other options. This was like a knock-out match, you win or you're out, but instead the team didn't build, put pressure on, attack or do anything for the first 75 minutes.

“I do not regret returning, I did so with enthusiasm and it was an experience I strongly wanted to go through again. I was convinced we would do well, although admittedly probably not to win the World Cup again.

“The two years leading up to Germany were fantastic, but our qualifying over the last two years was not disappointing. It was normal for Italian football, so my only real disappointment was in South Africa.

“Losing two crucial players like Gigi Buffon and Andrea Pirlo did not help, but even without them we should've played differently today.”

It remains to be seen what the future holds for Lippi, who will be replaced on the Italy bench by Cesare Prandelli.

“I have already said I will take a break for a few months and then consider what I'll do in my future.

“I still believe strongly in these players. It's not an issue over over-estimating these players, but you also cannot think Italy is what you saw today. Evidently I was unable to put them in a condition to express themselves.

“I am not painting myself as a victim, I say it because I believe it. I feel that I played an important part in the 2006 victory and at this moment was unable to replicate those psychological conditions.

“Of course I know what we are heading into with the media. We were already on trial before the World Cup, let alone after a performance like that. This is why I have auto-condemned myself.”
well this is a surprise, but its too late.grazie for wc 06 and the qualification stages for 2010.here's welcome to cesare prandelli.lets hope he takes the positive step with 1st securing qualification for the 2012 euro. icon_rolleyes.gif

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