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post Dec 5 2009, 02:33 AM

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Groups seem reasonably balanced except for Grp G. Man that is one nasty group laugh.gif
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post Mar 5 2010, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Mar 5 2010, 12:17 PM)
I for one have never supported any national team but I must admit that I'll be following games involving England and Spain this coming tournament. No secret why. I'm going for Spain to finally break the jinx. Like Holland or even the New Zealand All-Blacks, they have always choked during major tournaments. Some people may say that they are the obvious favourites seeing as they rank first on FIFAs rankings but if you look back, you'll note that they've only ever bagged two major international titles, the latest being the European Championship. They have never progressed beyond the Quarter-Finals of the World Cup since 1950 and are not clear cut favourites if you ask me.

Why Spain then? I think they have an abundance of talent in the squad although they may be a little thin at the back. I just saw them make France look like a 2nd rate team, winning 2-0 at the Stade De France, their first on French soil for an eternity. They way Spain passed the ball about especially in the middle of the park was a sight to behold. I think that amongst all the teams, they have the most options in that position. Iniesta, Silva, Xavi, Fabregas and Jesus Navas all featured in that game and all work the ball about so well in closed quarters. You then have Xabi Alonso sitting deep, spraying the ball about if you are looking to pass the ball long. Liverpool fans will also attest to the fact that he has a pretty good defensive game as well. If Spain are leading and need to defend a lead, they can bring on Senna and Busquets. In attack they have two of the best strikers in the world, in Villa and Torres. Against France, they had the luxury of playing both as lone strikers at different times. Anyone see Torres turn Ciani inside out? If the starting back four stay healthy, I think they have an excellent shot. From what I saw Pique seems to have matured into an assured, steady defender and at 6'4" is solid in the air on both ends of the pitch. Ramos has good footwork for a defender.

I may not know as much about the team as say Verx but from what little I saw, they will definitely be hard to beat.
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I think you've pretty much hit the nail on the head. I dunno if they will win the tournament for sure cause knockout rounds are always unpredictable. But for me Spain are definitely the best equipped of all the NTs. The amount of options they have is just frightening. And when you look at the list of players they will leave behind I'm thinking what would other NT managers give to have talent like that at their disposal. And it's not just in midfield and forward positions; I was discussing the GK position in the Barca thread where some were advocating Valdes to be included in the squad. And I just commented what Capello would give to have Diego Lopez who is 3rd choice for Spain to be able to play for England. To think that England were considering Almunia for the job just speaks volumes.

The only weakness they have I would say are their fullback positions. Other than Capdevilla there is no other specialist LB in the squad. But Arbeloa can do a decent job in the position as he has proven for both Liverpool and Madrid. Ramos may have been a liability in defence a year ago but he has he's stepped up a level this year. Pique, Puyol, Albiol at CB means that they have enough options. So I won't exactly call that thin. There is a limit to the number of players you can bring after all. And more options in midfield always trumps more options in defence.

The fact that come the first game their bench might include: Pepe Reina, Albiol, Senna, Fabregas, Navas, Mata, Torres just says it all really.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Mar 5 2010, 04:08 PM)
Good. There is a lack of quality discussions going on lately.
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Well I haven't been posting much nowadays for those very reasons.

QUOTE(noir7559 @ Mar 5 2010, 06:17 PM)
sole reason france got to the final of 06 was mostly bcoz of Zidane's magic...don't mention me the name
of domenech...coz wat kind of coach dat leave player like robert pires while preferring then unknown bafetimbi gomis? tongue.gif

**and btw...last match between France & spain? Did the match were contest at paris @ madrid? Coz i here
most of the crowd cheering for la furia roja and booing les blues more. Quite similar situation when
argentina beat them 2-0 in marseille last year tongue.gif
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Isn't Pires like 36 already? I wouldn't bring him if I was the coach either. I think Domenech's faults are more like he is clueless when it comes to tactics.
And the match was played in France. The French were booing their own team and shouting "oles" for the Spanish laugh.gif
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post Jun 15 2010, 11:34 AM

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The ball is just a convenient excuse. So far I've seen nothing to suggest that the ball is such a major factor despite the complaints. Free kicks getting skied into the stands? That would have happened with a normal ball seeing as so far the players standing over the kicks haven't exactly been free-kick specialists. I think Sneijder is the only specialist I can recall and his FK was from quite a distance.
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QUOTE(sheng @ Jun 22 2010, 10:07 AM)
"If Switzerland win 1-0 and Chile lose 1-0 then the teams will have to draw lots"

Guys, anyone knows what draw lots means?
playoff? lucky draw?
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Lucky draw. Maybe they will draw straws lol
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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Jun 22 2010, 10:23 AM)
spain had better goal difference compare to swiss, 1 more to be exact..why still need to draw lots? spain GD will also better than chile if they beat them
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I think he means Chile and Switzerland will have to draw lots.
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QUOTE(sheng @ Jun 22 2010, 10:40 AM)
hmmm..really lucky draw ah..lol. that would be so unfair to the team that lose out.
but if chile and swiss are tied with GD and goals scored..wouldn't chile go through because of better head to head records? (provided spain have better GD than both of them)
wut if all 3 teams have same GD and goals scored..lol..so complicated.
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I dunno if they take head to head in account. I don't think so they do.
All 3 teams won't have same GD since the Spain v Chile game will affect both teams' GD
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post Jun 22 2010, 11:40 AM

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Just read from the Star newspaper, head to head is taken into account after GD and goals scored.
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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Jun 22 2010, 11:51 AM)
no more draw lots? kesian swiss if that really happen, kinda suck for not qualifying after beating the current euro champion    tongue.gif
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They will draw lots if they still can't separate the teams so it's still possible in other groups.
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Where the smaller sides have caught up is in their tactical organisation and physical fitness. There is still a difference in technical quality but it's been made less noticeable because of how well drilled most of the teams seem to be defensively. In fact it seems most teams have neglected to work on how to create chances with good movement and passing. Defensive solidarity seems to have been the priority of most coaches.

As for Brazil and Argentina. I think Brazil have looked better. They have faced better opposition and they look just as assured when they have to defend as well as being very efficient in attack. So far no one that Argentina have played have really tested their slow backline. It'll be interesting to see how Argentina will cope when under pressure.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jun 24 2010, 05:22 PM)
Aye, I'm thinking the same thing. Not often in this day and age your manager decides against fullbacks, particularly ones that overlap. Also, 6 strikers? Leaves em a little thin in the middle of the park.

What are your thoughts on Spain's chances?
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Well Maradona is like a breath of fresh air in these WC finals isn't he. He's come up with some bizarre lineups which have worked really well so far. I dunno if Mascherano and Veron is enough in the centre when they face tougher opposition though but that's what makes it interesting. We shall see.

As for Spain I think the Switzerland defeat is just what the team needed although it does make the upcoming Chile game a do or die one. But the initial pressure of being heads on favourites is gone; everyone is talking about Argentina and Brazil now and Spain seems to have gone under the radar somewhat with the 2-0 win over Honduras not impressing. They still have the right mix to go all the way imo. No one moves the ball from back to front as fluently and even against the big guns they should be able to dominate possession comfortably. Their defending is abit unorthodox but it seems to suit their style but they are abit more vulnerable to the counter attack as compared to Brazil. I think once the front line gets their sync back and Torres rediscovers his touch with this new ball I wouldn't want to bet against them no matter who they face.
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post Jun 29 2010, 04:35 AM

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Brazil have looked by far the most complete team in the tournament. Very impressive performance today.
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jun 30 2010, 04:36 AM)
that write the future ads really did curse all the player, all of them have gone out of the world without making their mark.
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I was just thinking the same thing. laugh.gif
Those Nike execs must be banging their heads on the wall now
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post Jul 2 2010, 11:53 PM

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Well it had to happen sooner or later. The first real shock of the WC: Brazil are out!
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post Jul 5 2010, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 4 2010, 04:03 PM)
i think paraguay have show how to beat spain in the match just they dont have the cutting edge to score the winning goal, they chase down spanish player with the pass very quickly and no give them space. this make the spanish passing less accurate and no able to play they usual game. i if spain did not tidy up their defense more they will be in big trouble against the german counter attack, joachim loew can also copy how inter shut down the barcelona attack as his tactic, since spain have such a heavy barca influence.
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I think it's funny you mentioned Inter cause what Paraguay did was the complete opposite to Inter's tactics against Barca. Paraguay pressed all over the pitch which made life very uncomfortable for Spain. Inter on the other hand completely sat off conceding almost all the possession to Barca. Lowe will just have to choose 1 of the 2 whichever he thinks will be more effective.

I still think Spain will be a very different kind of opponent to what Germany has faced so far. England and Argentina really played into Germany's hands. What Germany have showed though is that they are a well disciplined team tactically and that they are devastating on the counter attack. Whoever gets the first goal will win.
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 5 2010, 11:33 AM)
the german team are flexible and fast they can turn switch of either sitting back or going out to win the ball, while german never face a opponent like spain, spain also never meet a opponent like germany, all their previous opponent either attack well or defend well not two at the same time, portugal have the team to switch to attack but queiroz never change their tactic to attack even when spain have the lead.
No offence but that's just ridiculous. It's like saying the players can be at 2 places at one time doh.gif
If you press, it means the midfield is not sitting back. If you sit back you won't have enough players to press. Unless Germany has become the exception to the rule and is able to play with 14 players what you're suggesting is plainly not possible.

But it's true being able to defend and attack well is a hallmark of a good team and Germany are a good team. But so is Spain for that matter.
What Spain have faced so far are teams that just made life uncomfortable for them. I think they prefer facing a team that allows them to play so Germany might just suit them.

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i will be interesting to see how will spain react if the german gain the upper hand in midfield what kind of tactical change will del bosque make, because he never seem to change things around when it was not working for the spanish, one thing that he and the spanish team sure have is the patient to pass the ball around until someone usually villa these day scored.
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Spain will dominate possession and the midfield area, that isn't in question. And Del Bosque has always changed things in the 2nd half in almost every match. Bringing on Cesc (AM) for Torres (Striker) and Pedro (Winger) for Xabi (DM) in the last match for example are definitely tactical shifts. Your eyes are betraying you me thinks. tongue.gif
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How Van Bommel is able to escape with so many things in this WC is nothing short of amazing. He's like the ultimate professional in professional fouling laugh.gif. And it's so ironic that he got booked yesterday for not another one of his late challenges but for prematurely celebrating doh.gif. A real @ss of a player.
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QUOTE(krk24 @ Jul 10 2010, 11:29 PM)
Paul picked SPAIN; Mani picked HOLLAND

one thing for sure, one of them will nick it... wink.gif
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QUOTE(darksider @ Jul 12 2010, 06:01 AM)
spain won but with disgrace.

People seem to forget how they came through to the final. A win will never erase what they have done.
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They came through the final (and won it) by trying to play good football. Retaining possession and always looking for options in the final third although they didn't score many (due to teams just trying to spoil their game). The same can't be said for alot of teams in this WC sadly.
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QUOTE(air_mood @ Jul 13 2010, 04:08 PM)
Ozil was complaining asking for the peno, which was a very clear one. You mentioned one peno turned down doesn't effect anything. Let's play the what if game where you stated that it would have been a different game had De Jong been sent off earlier. You think it wouldn't have been the same case had the Germans got the peno and Ramos sent off?? It would have been very, very different and it happened in the 1st half as well if I recall correctly.
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You have your opinions and I respect them but I just want to comment about this incident. If Ramos was sent off it would have been extremely harsh. There was contact but only because Ozil made a sudden turn and stuck his left foot out. Ramos didn't even make any attempt to tackle him. The only way he could have avoided contact was if he completely stopped running which is frankly ridiculous as he had to deal with that particular situation. Should a pen have been given? Maybe. But I can also understand why the ref waved it away.

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