Hi everyone i plan to buy a new car recently my budget is 80k~90k any suggestion which car should i go? Just saw some car on the showhouse and interesing on:
Kia Forte
Nissan Latio
Toyota Vios


or any other car can suggest?

And which brand have higher second hand value? My parents said Kia don't have second hand value izit true? Don't have much knowledge in car

Thanks!

forte la of course

Yes Kia 2nd value lousy ... if main concern is 2nd hand value better go for City

Latio I would recommend hatchback instead.

Pug is another category in 90k

If you looking for better second hand value, go for Toyota Vios, out of you choice...

You can consider Honda City too, which also has better second hand value

if just that 3, definitely i will choose forte

if add in city, then maybe will test drive 99 and choose again

PS: drove vios and latio quite some time before, really hate those 2

if you dont plan to sell the car in short term, then get forte

even the Kia service center is so so quality, u will not like the way they treat u as a customer. Never buy a Kia car in Malaysia u will regret big time. Maybe u should consider add a lil bit of your budget and get Ford Focus.

the car service once every 10K km ma ...ok la, u only see the KIA service person once or twice every year

Why you say so? Any experience on car service center before?

buy honda la.. service is superb

lol seem like a lot of ppl recommend honda city i will go to c it later.
erm what means hatchback? and pug is peugeot right? do u mean peugeot 308?
Actually i just sold a Kia Sorento lol, the service center at Klang is not that bad i think(always my mum bring it to services so not sure XD)


thanks for the feedback~just want to ask how is the nissan second hand value izit good?

This post has been edited by soradidi: Dec 3 2009, 09:12 AM

For 2nd hand value - Toyota. But if you want a better ride, Nissan is the better ride. Haven't tried Forte, so dunno, but i bet it'll be a better ride than a VIOS.

I'm not really impressed with VIOS.

Btw what different between Kia and Naza? not very clear

my experience with kia SC is not worst than those japanese brands so far. i think it all depends on the SA, either u got a friendly one or a bad mood one

overall the Vios is not bad in term of fuel consumption. The interior of Vios is a bit "cram" for tall people especially the rear legroom and the boot area also nothing to shout about, i reckon maybe thats the reason it save fuel, its light n small. My angmo frenz refuse to sit inside vios becos they say it will hit his head when pass thru those road "bump"

This post has been edited by Tohsan: Dec 3 2009, 09:59 AM

Forte - Most feature-packed & best bang for the buck
Vios - Brand power, resale value & probably fuel efficiency
Latio - No comment

forte...

btw...how much is the latio sedan? But my vote also goes to city or vios...

pug 308 is RM96k...

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Added on December 3, 2009, 10:42 ammy vote goes to City - spacious, quite good power
vios - never driven, but suspension very comfy
latio - no comments
forte - best value for money, 2nd hand value worse than proton


This post has been edited by kenji1903: Dec 3 2009, 10:42 AM

of course la.. u RX8...
hahaha...

City is good (overpriced) car.
PUG is hatch back too, yes they are mentioning Peugeot 308 Vti (RM96k)

my vote.. sure Forte la (booked 2.0.. pending for delivery)
service might be bad from Naza.. only 2 years what.. after that go outside la..
and the different with Naza and Kia..
Naza = Kia and Kia = Naza..
but when u see the car with Naza emblem = CKD, if u see it's Kia = CBU.

Choose city if wan exterior...
Choose vios if wan resale value...
Choose latio if wan comfortable...
Kia = no comment!!

see.. kia is improving..
usually when ppl saw Kia..
before is High FC, bad quality..etc.
now can't really judge the Kia again.. unless they test drive it or own it.
big move... rather than giving bad impression like before...

Forte win overall besides resale value & FC. I choose Forte

hi..i am a city driver, the car is good no problems. but if comparing specifications for the 89k that i paid to the forte 1.6 at 85k, the forte has much better specs at a lower price too.....

i read somewhere kia/hyundai has lousy resale value due to 40% of the car are using local manufactured parts

i have my opinions reserved for this new Kia Forte. It looks like its a new league compared to the older Kia's. With full features, good looking interior and exterior plus a lower price tag, most probably a turnaround for Kia to fare a better resale value.

This was seen in the Sg market since Forte was marketed there earlier. The sales figure increased for Forte and eventually the resale value jacked up. So for now, for those that can wait or not urgent can try to stay low and wait for u while. Give some chance to this new Kimchi product. It did great in SG, maybe the same here too ..lol

Forte if not consider resell value (Best)
Latio choose hatchback impuls, quite engine + comfort ride (2nd)
CITY no comment, but i think at least better than Vios (3rd)
Vios is too overprice except the FC (Last)

source?
and i believe you are talking about the old batch of Kia vehicles...
try the new one.. then u will change again.

forte 1.6SX only rm81800 la.

forte definitely worth for your bucks (if you dont mind on 2nd value)
but if the car selling like hot cakes, no worry on 2nd value arrr..

vios maybe 2nd value is higher now, but u dunno in 4 or 5 years time.

so up to u actually.

If the only condition is resales value, then go for Japanese makes, especially Vios

Ride & Handling = Forte.
Comfort = Forte. The SX models have luxurious feel and very comfy compared to the japs models you mentioned.
Safety = Forte. 5 Star rating.
Value for Money = Forte
Resales Value = Pick any Japs makes, especially Toyota and Honda. Resale value has nothing to do with Reliability, its economics, based on demand.
Reliability = At the moment, no comments. Each time a new Korean car model is out, there is vast improvement in terms of quality and reliability.
If you follow auto industry, then we can safely say that Korea makes is at par with Japs or even better nowadays. This is especially true for Hyundai cars. I won't be surprise in the new future, Korean cars will surpass Japs in technology and reliability.

Take a look at JD Power 2009 Initial Quality Study, Hyundai beat Toyota and Honda in 2009 in terms of quality/reliability. And Kia went upward 1 ranking compared to 2008 study (from 17 to 16).

To be honest. Comparing Forte with Vios, Latio or City is not fair. Forte should be compared with Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla Altis, Mazda 3 and Ford Focus. Forte is a C-segment car. The other cars you mentioned are B-segment. But price range wise Forte is the same with B-segment..

Lastly, go test drive the cars..


PS: Hyundai owned Kia

This post has been edited by victoryong: Dec 3 2009, 12:50 PM

Jz buy toyota vios, no need to think so much...
Kia car, when new is nice, but after 1 year, many problem will comes up..
nissan latio, dunno, if sport edition, nice.. lolz

For best bang for buck i will pick the forte. Also make sure u wont sell it fast to avoid bad depreciation.

less than RM100k u get 6 airbags , 2.0 engine , push start-engine button etc.... where to get? only Forte can do it!!

This post has been edited by AiRBooM: Dec 3 2009, 01:00 PM

test drive all those car mention la TS.
you'll surprise!

forte FTW!!!!!!!! best bang buck ever

well... if u dont talk about resale value, besides how soon u gonna sell the car anyway right?

Forte is the best value for money car at the moment......

Hyundai-Kia already taken over Honda in the world as the 5th placing.

its back to perception... like proton what is proton trying to do now... you think people will give proton a chance?

i like the K7

forte of coz...

the 1.6 hav more ps thn others, dmn they sure r improving...

the power and torque similar to CPS actually...

cps 125, forte 126 rite?

Forte FTW....already doing very well in singapore and really really value for $$$$. puts to shame T & H on what can be offered at such a price point.

Forte ncap - 5stars
proton persona ncap - no stars rite?

Kia has far exceeded Proton in any segment. The Americans and Sg-ians gave them a chance, i think msians know how to choose.

I hate to say this, but use the pinned thread please.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1198535

bro, wer u come out wit persona ? ppl comparing Latio and Vios ?

but malaysians still have ww2 mentality..
still conquered by japanese...

now its korean invading our country

kekeke

You better book Forte now coz it's still CBU, hopefully...

If i got the money, 100% i'll choose Forte even though im anti Naza / Korean cars before...Why compare Forte to Vios / City..it should be compared against Civic / Altis

= =" where still have CBU.
SA said the first day already over 1k booking.

Power about the same, torque wise Forte's Gamma 1.6 engine slightly better.

CPS' figure you got there is HP, Forte's figure there is PS. So you got a wrong comparison.

kia forte.. ts, really u should make a poll..

hahha. coz we already pre-book before launching.. of coz over 1k already
do you research first TS before commit to any car.

ya. forte less HP but more Torque.

there already one poll before.. go figure

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1242121

the gamma engine is for 2.0L, no?

gamma for 1.6, 2.0 is thetaII

Spec and style wise, Forte.

Latio interior feels bigger, but then....spec wise, a bit bare in my opinion.

Kia Forte

Good overall car.
Value for money.
Nice ride.
Smooth Engine.

The thing with KIA is that when it is new,it is good.But once it starts to age like say maybe 2 years down the road,you can never guess what is gonna happen.Many things many pop up .You will never know until u own one.

Nissan Latio

Damn smooth engine
Power ok ok lah
Very comfortable
Spacious and reliable


Toyota Vios

Damn blardy good fuel economy.Even if you rev the engine alot and drive like a maniac,it will still give u damn good FC.
Seats might be a bit uncomfortable depending on ur butt size.
Ride is excellent.
Pickup is great thanks to VVTI.


So in the end TS,depends on what brand u actually want to throw your money at.Of course Jap brands will give u reliability and no worries 5 years down the road.

If you want to be a brave person,get the FORTE.But dont blame anybody if the car gives problems later on.

I dun understand why buying Forte need to be a Brave Person??
No one will know how many years the cars can served us in good condition... U darn to said the T and H wont give u the problem after 3 years??
My friend received quotation from H brand and it cause RM23k for the gear box... that car just City... ( This is the common issue for the City 2003-2005)
This is the H service centre fault, but the H brand don't wan to replace the gb FOC due to after 3 years warranty... then wat to do??
Lets focus the servicing part, Who darn to say the H and T brand servicing is cheap?
Maybe the price consider is CHEAP for the owner, but it still depends on how u judge the car.


This post has been edited by winlose2582: Dec 3 2009, 06:06 PM

erm, so basically after 2005 the gear box is quite fine? 23k is a darm big number=.='', dun wan regret if buy it. as my parents very hate kia haiz i have no choice, if no i sure go for forte but not my money so i have no choice=.=(they r very rigid!) they call me decide only toyota vios or honda city, just go to the showhouse and compare this 2 feel like i have more chance going for honda city XD. But abt the gear box issue izit still common in now(after 2005)?


thanks guys for the responed

that gear box prob is for 7 speed one right?
according to Kia SA, that city gearbox created based on auto gearbox (then add shiftronic) then prone to problem.
for forte, the gearbox created based on manual gearbox (then add shiftronic). 2nd shift damn long you can achieve 100KM ++ before redline, and the RPM is 6K before redline.

so, up to everybody. haha
recent city should be okay. need to wait 2 or 3 years more before we can know any problem.

no srsly, press every part of the kia and it gives better feel than the vios and city

The previous gen City uses CVT gearbox with emulated 7-speed. Forte is using regular 4-speed auto gearbox with shiftronic.

Kia car have come along way. Too bad your parents got bad experiences.
Too bad also now they are blinded by their hatred and Naza the company that brings in Kia branded cars are not helping to improve the Rakyat's prejudice.
Then it is your parents hard earn money buying B-segment cars when they could have bought C-segment car for the same price.
Any way you wont be able to get Forte till next year...maybe only after CNY!
Cos the queue is building up!

Totota Vios (love the brown color)

Actually the honda gearbox problem was cause by the honda sc fault of using regular automatic oil instead of specialised cvt oil. So dont say honda gearbox no good, its just human error that causes that. Nway i support forte, in the states the forte is competing head on with honda civic in the same segment

Totota Vios better.

In what sense?

yeah vios better in what sense???

ya lor.. vios is B segment car.. Forte is C segment car..
so you can compare between Forte and Civic.

I took 2.0 Forte price and 2.0 Civic price okay?
forte cost you rm93K whereby civic cost you rm110K

if you afraid of second value, have you consider how much Japs car (civic) conned you? thats almost 20K! interior wise and gadget, forte win hands down. only drawback is the 4 speed gear box for malaysian market.

you already lose 20K for the much 2nd value issue if you buy civic instead of forte.

haha

For me I will choose Forte.
Vios and City like very the common on the road. Looks to me like everyone own one. Nothing special already.

But eventually there will be many fortes around the road as well by mid of next year.

This doesn't do the justice.

You are comparing a proven product against a newly launched model.

Vios / City have been marketed since 2003 and do you realise what year is it now ?

Hyundai/Inokom Getz has been around for quite sometime and we can see it a lot on the road too. When it was launched, everybody said it's best bang for the buck against the Honda Jazz. So, does it fetch a good resale value now ?

Gauging using feelings ?

I prefer a quantitative combined with qualitative values.

There's a reason why they used hard plastics in the SEA based model other than cost measured partly because they know we live below the equator line and the sun shining bright all seasons.

korean car suck...to me...

No point arguing people, just go & try it yourself. You will know the answer.

the car can have very good plastic or steel but if the steel is like sitting in the tank or some shit rubbish dumpster, no thanks
quantitative + qualitative is on paper stuff.. bang them on the wall that is real value

Frankly, I never expected you to come out with this answer. It doesn't sound intellect enough.

Anyhow, whatever you say

I have test drive City, Latio Sedan, Suzuki SX4,Vios and Forte since mid of the year... At the end, i choose FORTE 1.6SX. Feel lucky that i do not need any cents from mum/dad to make decision
GO GO FORTE !

This post has been edited by ssek76: Dec 5 2009, 11:18 PM

You mean this Korea Doll ah?

Korean cars are worth it if bought as 2nd hand. My 2002 Kia Carnival sold for RM 30k after 6 years... sigh... bought at RM 170k then.

Now, never buy Korean or China cars when new. Used, ok.

never buy forte that been list as one of nominee world car of the year 2010???

The CBU Carnival is really overpriced that time. When Ria came out, Carnival owners really felt the pinch.

But for the 2.0l Forte at RM 93k, even if it is fully CKDed, new price wise won't be much lower due to protection over Proton & Perodua (in fact chances are price could go higher). Use the previous Spectra as a gauge, 03 model price is still close to RM 20k now.

The typical classic case.

When Naza got its wings to produce CKD Forte, we'll see the actual resale value of Fortes then.

The CKD price got higher seems illogical. Which business model did you use ? Even the CKD swift sold at lower price.

This post has been edited by igor_is300: Dec 6 2009, 01:09 AM

I also prayed that price can be lower once CKDed... but you can do the CBU math from prices of other countries for this Forte/Cerato. Anyway, time will tell soon.

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Added on December 6, 2009, 2:07 amJust to add, cheapest manual CBU Swift Sports 1.6 now is already about RM 100k. If my memory serve me correctly, last time CBU 2005 Swift 1.5 also about RM 90k. Japanese branded aside, remember it is a much smaller segment car, smaller engine capacity, lesser in features & etc. This so called reportedly CBU 2.0l Forte is priced at RM 93k.

Anyhow lastly, we still do not know the 2.0l 1st batch delivered to customers will be CBU or CKD as per reported by some forumers & soon-to-be-owners, although chances are CBU will be higher.

This post has been edited by deeplyheartbroken: Dec 6 2009, 02:07 AM

Forte price is CKD price.
which mean 93800 is CKD price, only first few batches is CBU due to the plant is not yet fully set up.
so you guys save the gas to talk about this. (sai hei)
according to those "SA".. next year Forte price is going to increase.

This is what I am trying to explain earlier. It may sounds like a salesman talk... but chances of it increase the price next year is there, although we may be wrong.

yeah.. wondering why they want to seperate the price as CBU and CKD when we already knew the strategy of Naza...
they are pretty smart in doing pricing... and now naza starting to strike up the price rather than slashing it..
look at KIa nd Peugeot... making more and more money.. btw.. we are out of topic...

Yes, this is true. My friend's City, gear box problem and to replace it tooks over 20k. Now he is looking for another car. Rather use that over 20k for a new car rather than to replace a gear box for a 4 years old car.

Why not the EX model ?

FORTE for sure.... 2.0 also cheaper than Civic 1.8. plus leather seat, push start button, 6 air bags, keyless entry, apa lagi mau ????? Resale value, I dont think I will be selling so soon, so it's not a concern.

well said!
T & H are over rated and even worse when we have Bolehland's distorted Car Industry.

yup korean cars spec, price are very attractive.
but major prob is their reliability------> bad

Judging from the spec..kia forte for me..

+1

ranking of KIA FORTE in the US.....

not bad after all

http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-...ble-Small-Cars/

Forte 2.0 93k, Civic 2.0 130k. Diff 37k. When u get forte u ard save urself 37k. When u saved dat much, who cares about resale value anymore

This might help you to decide oso...

http://www.thecarconnection.com/car-compare-results/kia_forte_2010-vs-mazda_mazda3_2008-vs-toyota_corolla_2009

hi guys i had bought toyota vios TRD, everything decided by my parents lolx i cant do anything, zz>.<'''recently driving comfortably, feel like got car for driving edi happy~ haha, i will leave this topic here thanks again to all~