so you mean any crt hdtv can support 720p natively? without the need to upscale it? but i wonder why most crt hdtv only have 480p and 1080i like the philips tv that i see. from the xbox-scene one forumer post:
i can't say his words are true enough or not since i didn't really look much about HDTV matter. but if i remember correctly there was an article before that say most crt upscale 720p. but yours with the V12 chip, i believe support 720p natively. another hdtv that support 720p natively: Monivision

if you want to buy hdtv, i suggest looks for widescreen tv. for the support of 720p, maybe try asking the staff there to give demo of the tv running in 720p. but since the price was quite low i think most probably is upscaling. the monivison tv that i mention already cost USD1999.

So your tv arrive already? I think it's kinda risky buying some tv from China...sometimes specs doesn't tells everything....the quality of the image might not be satisfactory.

Seriously, for that price, i'll rather go with Pixel Plus 2.... it beats everything, HDTV or not!

Anyway, good luck and be sure to let us know the result when you got it!

I have to agree. Even if you discount the support for 720p (or lack of it) Pixel Plus 2 still blows everything out of the water. I should know, I own one of those. If you're on a budget but still want killer image quality and support for HDTV, you can't go wrong.

I've had people refuse to leave my apartment these past few days, lol.

Lord_Ashe, which model exactly is it? I wanna to check it out too!

If you scroll up a few posts you should be able to see it being listed by another gamer. I was mistaken that I said it supported 720p, it doesn't. But everything else IS supported (480p and 1080i with RGB input) AND it comes with Pixel Plus 2.

Right now it's difficult to find the 29" variety, so if you have the cash you MAY want to invest in the 34" or go FlatTV. Either way, for people with a budget, this is definitely good enough, iMHO.

Crt HDTV don't have native resolution unlike fixed pixel LCD and plasma tv. CRT draw line with the cathode guns and newer crt is capable of 1080P. What you see in Malaysia are not true crt hdtv so don't waste your money on it.

The downside of crt is that is its hard to manufacture crt larger than 35" beacuse the tube would be too big and heavy. But crt still offers the best image in terms of picture in terms of picture contrast and color.

The container will arrive sometimes this week.

Don't worry about china brand. There are some good brand offering good quality and great products such as Skyworth and Konka.

Here is a review...

how much is a 25 inch HDTV ready? i wanna buy 1 when i get a next gen console

25" TVs aren't really common in Malaysia. You COULD try getting them, but usually people make the jump to a 27" (equally difficult) or 29".

Depending on brand, you can spend about RM 3 - 8,000 on it, so you may want to consider which kind of display technology you want to invest in...

Lord Ashe: Can u tell me whether your Philips TV does upscaling/conversion of 720p to 1080i??

Example, when u play SC2 (XBOX) on your TV, how do you know which resolution it's running? Is it set from the game or TV?? Does it runs SC2 in 720p mode by upscaling to 1080i??

I think need to check out the Pixel Plus 2 prices soon.

a 29 inch HDTV ready Panasonic? what would be the pricing...i am hoping a year or two will cause the prices to go downhill

Good question. As far as I can see, when I run SC2 on my TV it defaults to 480p. I don't think it does upscaling - but as of the time of writing I'm trying to see if I can get it to do so. It's controlled by the TV (auto resolution selection), of that I'm sure - I'm just looking to see if there's any way I can change it. I'll post any info I can.

In any case, if you're on a budget the Pixel Plus 2 sets won't dissapoint.

Thanks...keep me updated!!

btw, just check out the price of the Pixel Plus 2 TV 29"(same like yours i think) at SENQ...SENQ prices cheat people one....their "member price"(pay RM12 to join) is actually the standard retail price. Ex: they charge RM2099 for the SONY DB29M61 and RM1999 for "member price"....when RM1999 is the standard retail price elsewhere.

Anyway, it's RM2999(non-member) and RM2799 for the Pixel Plus 2 TV (29")...means that it's about RM400 > than when you bought!!! You definitely have a good deal!!!

Anyway, i've checkout the quality of 3 models...SONY DB29M61 and Philips Pixel Plus 2 and Philips non-Pixel Plus HDTV.

Although the input isn't the best (only normal composite...it's hard enough to get those dumb showperson to test the thing for you with DVD video...most of them doesn't seems very interested in entertaining customers and isn't very tech savvy...asking them for component input will probably get a negative answer like "don't have", "don't know", "cannot"...pick your choice), the Pixel Plus 2 TV clearly blows away the Philips non-Pixel Plus HDTV.

It is also significantly superior to SONY's DB29M61 model, although i can't do a side by side comparison. But the DB29M61 does hold it's own and is pretty good, although it's inferior to the Pixel Plus 2 TV.

So the verdict:
PP2 > SONY DB29M61 > Philips non-PP HDTV.

I think i'm leaning towards the SONY model now...almost 1K difference wor...

kobe8byrant:
PANASONIC HDTV?? As far as i'm concerned, PANASONIC CRT TVs sucks. I don't think their HDTV conforms to the typical HDTV standard..with weird 833i mode....what the heck is that!!! Also, image quality lose out to both SONY and PHILIPS. I highly recommend you forget about any PANASONIC TV.

SONY has the best price/performance HDTV right now (< RM2K...apa lagi mau??), while Philips Pixel Plus 2 is the KING of the hills if you've the dough. Samsung new SLIMFIT TV also very interesting...but a bit pricey RM4300 and the image quality isn't very good ( or maybe the source video sucks...like every showroom in Malaysia...maybe need to ask them show proper DVD video to determine the result).

Today i'll try Lord_ashe new philips hdtv ready and the only word to imagine the quality is superb . Lord_Ashe, now i'm thinking to get a same TV but maybe a little bigger than yours

Another new contender for HDTV:

TOSHIBA 29JZ9UES
http://www.toshiba.com.my/servlet/svtUProd...02400&func=tech

The PDF clearly state it supports 720p and 1080i!!!!! Woow!!

But TOSHIBA model is very hard to find in showroom nowadays (i think their marketing and dristribution channel is very weak) and thus can't determine the quality. However, i really like my old TOSHIBA 29" SDTV (about 7 or 8 years....now RIP) and in terms of image quality it trounce my crappy 20" Panasonic anyday.

Anyway, if any of you guys do have experience with the TOSHIBA HDTV, do drop a post!!!

I've heard some horror stories about SENQ before...looks like it's all true!

The 29" Pixel Plus 2 SHOULDN'T retail for more than RM 2400 since it's already being phased out! Even the 34" set costs about RM 3600 onwards - but I'm sure SENQ is making a whole lot of money from people who are unaware... I got mine from a HSL myself!

Generally I've been in almost every electronics store here, and I can agree that most times all they do is connect a composite video signal to the TVs and then turn the brightness way up, which accomplishes nothing! Not to mention their sheer ignorance when asked about connections...

IMHO, the Philips non PP2 CRTs aren't such a hot deal - when the PP2 equipped sets make regular Astro broadcasts look just a little less beautiful than a DVD. It makes all the difference, as you've no doubt seen.

In terms of quality I have to agree that Panasonic isn't really the best buy. Even standard Sony CRTs blow Panasonic out of the water by having some of the best picture quality I've seen. Engine wise the Samsung DNIE looks good, although honestly I have to say that with the conditions in the showroom I can't really say HOW good.

In any case I'm still trying to sort out your earlier question...and good luck with your future buy!

Most stores for the masses seems very poor in their setup, making it difficult
to make like for like comparisons between brands of the same range (except
for specialist showrooms for plasma TV)

Any recommendations on which store to go to shop for CRT TV and LCD TV?

Thanks

If you're looking for TVs in general, Harvey Norman in IKANO is actually a good place to shop around. The staff are friendlier, and since there's less people they may actually treat you better. I've had good experiences in HSLs in the Subang area and One Utama (YMMV) and on the whole Sen Heng and SenQ have both been somewhat unsatisfactory. Best Denki is a hit and miss affair, with only the one in One Utama new wing showing any kind of knowledge.

CRTs are easier to look for even in most shops, and there's a multitude of these scattered all around the Klang Valley - but if you're keen on LCD I strongly recommend the Best Denki/HSL combo in One Utama, or Harvey Norman.

Good luck!

Eh? HSL got branch in One Utama meh?? Where ah? New wing? Old wing?

Anyway, there's also one shop i can recommend. It's DESA HOME THEATER SYSTEM in Kepong and Low Yat Plaza. At least the staff their treats their customer properly!!! Bought my HT system from the Kepong branch last time, quite okay service. Also been to LYP branch to check out some TV sometime ago...staff was okay...also maybe can bargain a bit....hee-hee.

I've been to Harvey Norman to browse, but didn't see the SONY DB29M61 or the PHILIPS PP2 model.

Been to Best Denki One utama also, but the staff there isn't very helpful either...maybe just my bad luck. but i don't think i see any PP2 CRT TVs there either.

Anyway, I will check out HSL ASAP!!

Yep. And their latest plasma/lcd promotes useless features like 8 BILLION colours...errr...don't they know the human eye cannot differentiate > 16 MILLION colours?? This kinda marketing gimmick leaves a very bad taste in my mouth, trying to cheat people who's not aware that their product is "better".


This post has been edited by Matrix: Dec 7 2005, 09:46 AM

I meant to say The Curve, hehehe. My mistake - but the HSL is even quieter and there's plenty of space. Desa's good too! I bought my Pioneer HT system there - good selection and fast service. In fact I think that's where I first saw the Pixel Plus 2 sets...

Yup. It's really bad marketing on their part - but I'm sure there's more than a couple clueless buyers who will be conned...