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karyeowl
post Sep 5 2005, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(nando @ Aug 6 2005, 08:32 PM)
sorry to hijack but i just cannot find a place to discuss tv

i am no gamer but need to buy a tv for normal viewing

my plan is to get plasma/lcd in couple of years so whatever i am buying is for about 2-3 years

I limited myself to 2 choice

a 34 inch Panasonic- at about RM2600- no HD ready, 100 h progressive scan
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a 29 inch Sony, the one mentioned here- KV DA 29M61- which i believe have better specs, slightly cheaper at 2500...

Is the 5 inch worth sacrificing? Is the Sony picture really more superior?
My normal usage- football, cartoon, HBOs, DVDs...

sorry guys for hijacking the topic!
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Since you are only buying the plasma/lcd in a couple of years... buy the Pany and enjoy for RM2600. Sony has over-priced themselves.

HDTV is still a long way to go in Malaysia.

Sorry for hijacking this thread. I am no gamer too.

Does anyone know of a good (cheap too smile.gif )video scaler to upconvert the DVD 480i/p to 1080i. I am want to use the video scaler to upconvert my DVD for my home theater projector.

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post Sep 6 2005, 07:23 PM

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nando, if ur usage is for DVD/Astro, I believe that Panasonic is ok. U don't need HDTV for DVD/Astro.

HDTV? Free HDTV channel will be a long long way before it comes here. Even standard digital TV (I don't consider Astro+standard decoder as true digital TV) will take another 5-10 years to become a common thing. Year 2020 perhaps? However, I'd be interested toward next-gen DVD (HD-DVD or Blu-Ray) which supports HDTV. At least right now u can download HDTV movies from Internet if u got at least a broadband and lots of patience (6-12GB in size!).
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hey, hey, HDTV faq is certainly better to stay at Console Couch thumbup.gif

some info on the various type of display and methods: LINK

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The New Aspect Ratio
Current televisions are based upon the aspect ratio of 4:3. This means a TV with an aspect ratio of 4:3 will be 3 feet high and 4 feet wide. With HDTV the aspect ratio is 16:9, making the image much wider than a normal TV. The new screen size is 33% wider to be exact.
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Comparison of the aspect ratio of a High Definition TV compared to a NTSC TV of the same height...

The increased width is a huge improvement because it allows you to view TV and movies as if you were watching them in a theater. When watching TV on a 16:9 screen you use your peripheral vision, which truly makes you feel like you are a part of the program.

Norm Samat, the directory of ABC's Monday Night Football HDTV feed put it perfectly:
You almost get into a trance looking at HDTV pictures because you really see more. The wider 16:9 aspect ratio makes a big difference in covering football. With the old 4:3 aspect ratio screens it was often tricky to cover the defense. In HDTV they are already in your picture, so you can see more of the play develop.

Resolution
The usual resolution a normal NTSC TV can display is 525 scan lines with 480 actually being visible. The usual TV can display a resolution of about 210,000 pixels per image. High Definition TV's can go all the way up to 1920 (horizontal) x 1080 (vertical) pixels, with a total of 2,073,600 pixels per image. That is ten times the resolution and picture quality. Ten times!
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Number of pixels on a HDTV monitor at 1920 x 1080 versus NTSC at 720 x 486...

In fact, when you squeeze all these pixels down to the same sized TV you get impeccable quality. Instead of stretching these pixels out, they are crammed together so tight that resolutions get as high and as sharp as they do.
more info at: LINK

HDTV Screenshot Database : some screenshot in HD

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Different Views of SDTV and HDTV-Resolution

Digital TV - SDTV:

    * 480i - 704x480 interlaced
    * 480p - 704x480 progressive
     

Digital-HDTV:

    * 720p - 1280x720  progressive
    * 1080i - 1920x1080 interlaced
    * 1080p - 1920x1080 progressive

More Accurate - Listing the resolution and frame rate:

    * 480i - The picture is 704x480 - (60/2 interlaced frames per second)
      = 30 complete frames per second.
     
    * 480p - The picture is 704x480 - 60 complete frames per second.
     
    * 720p - The picture is 1280x720 - 60 complete frames per second.
     
    * 1080i - The picture is 1920x1080 - (60/2 interlaced frames per second)
      = 30 complete frames per second.
     
    * 1080p - The picture is 1920x1080 - 60 complete frames per second.

Comparison of Digital TV and HDTV
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Note: Although "non-CRT" television sets use different technologies in creating the screen images, and there are other factors involved with how they display the picture, in the end, HDTV-Resolutions are still (720p) and (1080i) - or higher.

Link for HDTV-Resolution:LINK very good thumbup.gif
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post Oct 13 2005, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(agingamer @ Mar 2 2005, 10:03 AM)
On the matter of component input, I have a TV with one component input
but multiple devices capable of component output - DVD, XBOX and PS2.

Is there a switcher/selector of some kind that I can get?
Will the passive A/V selector work at all?
I kind of doubt it myself.

What is the difference between the component cable vs RCA audio/video
cable? The plugs look the same. I can only think that the cable quality is different.
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I ordered a component AV switcher from Lik-Sang for about RM 60. It now connects my DVD player, PS2 and Xbox. Since I only use a reglar Philips for my TV needs (believe me the component input DOES show a difference) I find that it works fine.

Your mileage may vary.
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post Oct 27 2005, 01:36 PM

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Some Good news & bad news for gamers looking for HDTV.

SAMSUNG new SLIMFIT HDTV, which is a new CRT technology which is 20cm less thick than traditional CRT.


http://www.samsung.com/my/products/television/ctv/index.asp

No mention of price at the website but i guess it should be < LCD & Plasma otherwise there's no point to this product.

Bad news...it doesn't support 720p...only 1080i/480p and some weird 576p??? resolution.

So XBOX gamers...look elsewhere unless you only want to play in 720p.

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post Oct 27 2005, 05:26 PM

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^ if i'm not mistaken, both sony and microsoft promise that their next gen consoles at least will support 720p and 1080i. but still, kind of risky.
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so...
1.a lcd 15" monitor is good for my ps2??
2.a projection tv 100hz 42'' good for ps2??
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QUOTE(yikyeou @ Oct 30 2005, 11:47 PM)
so...
1.a lcd 15" monitor is good for my ps2??
2.a projection tv 100hz 42'' good for ps2??
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Projection TV is not recommended for video games, i think it's because easy to burn in?? All projection TV got this warning in user manual.


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what about the lcd monitor??
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i saw many widescreen hd-ready tv in senq today...is that the hd ready widescreen tv is hd tv??
wat wat is lcd tv with hd ready??
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QUOTE(yikyeou @ Nov 3 2005, 06:57 PM)
i saw many widescreen hd-ready tv in senq today...is that the hd ready widescreen tv is hd tv??
wat wat is lcd tv with hd ready??
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LCD TV with HD Ready means the display unit can support Hi-Def Broadcast (HD Setup box only because the TV does not included HD TV Tuner)/Inputs for HD supported products (e.g: HD-DVD, Blue-ray, PS3 and XBOX360). Refer Post#12 from xbizkit on page 1 for information.

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oic...but i din c any HDTV yet wor....any example of HDTV??all tv is hd-ready oni...

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post Nov 5 2005, 03:42 PM

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Yeap.. because HDTV broadcast still not available in Malaysia, so no point import HDTV here, maybe in few years time (Maybe biggrin.gif)
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oh..thx for answering me,,,
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QUOTE(yikyeou @ Nov 5 2005, 03:47 PM)
oh..thx for answering me,,,
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post Nov 7 2005, 06:23 PM

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Yes, msia may not have HD ready tv broadcast yet, but who knows, astro and mitv might do it in few years time.
With a HD ready TV, you can get better quality out of existing dvds using DVD players with HDMI or DVI outputs !! so yes, its worth getting a HD ready TV.

Dun forget , XBOX 360 will support HD also,
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post Nov 22 2005, 10:17 AM

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Just got back from Guanzhou, china and bought myself a true HDTV. Its a 32" 16:9 CRT HDTV thats supports 1080P, 1080i, 720P.

I bought it for RM2250 and cost about RM350 to ship it back to malaysia.

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Nov 22 2005, 10:17 AM)
Just got back from Guanzhou, china and bought myself a true HDTV.  Its a 32" 16:9 CRT HDTV thats supports 1080P, 1080i, 720P. 

I bought it for RM2250 and cost about RM350 to ship it back to malaysia.

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wow!!! drool.gif
it's 16:9? not widescreen? like that the screen is super long! drool.gif
even support 1080p? thumbup.gif quite cheap for such big tv, but what brand is it?
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Nov 26 2005, 07:36 PM)
wow!!! drool.gif
it's 16:9? not widescreen? like that the screen is super long! drool.gif
even support 1080p? thumbup.gif  quite cheap for such big tv, but what brand is it?
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Wow that really sounds like a bargain!

After going around for months I finally found one of the few remaining Philips 29" Pixel Plus 2 CRT sets. Snagged it for RM 2400 and am happily gawking at my DVDs and xbox! Even Astro looks nicer, lol.

It doesn't have 1080p, but 1080i support for HDTV will have to be good enough for an average Joe like me...

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post Nov 28 2005, 07:27 AM

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^is it a wide screen or normal 4:3?
with 720p support also?

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