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Braynumb
post Nov 4 2009, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(albnok @ Nov 4 2009, 11:43 AM)
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Braynumb: Do you want full frame or not? Are you prepared with FF lenses?
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Honestly, I don't think I'm ready for FF yet... but hunting for a cheaper a700 is like looking for a needle in a haystack...

QUOTE(shootkk @ Nov 4 2009, 11:46 AM)
Braynumb : RM3200 for a brand new A700 with full warranty is a fair price.

As for FF or not, then it's up to what you already have. Looking at your lens collection I would suggest that you stick with the A700. Going FF, you will only have the 50mm lens to play around with. I don't know if your prinzflex 28mm is a FF lens or not.

The 16-105 can work on the FF but you will have difficulties trying to frame your shots as the markers for the APS-C area in the viewfinder is quite difficult to see. Trust me - I've tried it and it's quite frustrating.

For my recent Taiwan trip, I borrowed a Minolta 24-85mm lens from a friend of mine. The lens has a bit of a back focus problem and has some problems focussing on areas close to you when zoomed out to max but I used it mainly for wide landscape shots and kept the aperture to f8 so it's okay.

So for you, it's best you keep the 16-105 on the A700. No need to hunt for extra lenses.
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Was thinking of the same thing... since most of my lenses are not made for FF anyway... I'm seriously in pain while waiting for the release of the a700 replacement... anybody has any news of when and how much???
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I've learn dat, take pict as raw is better. but when i use raw to take pict, i cant altered it in photoshop? so, y it is good to take RAW?
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post Nov 4 2009, 03:07 PM

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post Nov 4 2009, 03:12 PM

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how come you can't alter your RAW picture in photoshop? did you install the latest version of Adobe Camera Raw? what version of photoshop you're using anyway? if CS2, then you have to upgrade to CS3 lo...
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QUOTE(freaky_deity @ Nov 4 2009, 03:06 PM)
I've learn dat, take pict as raw is better. but when i use raw to take pict, i cant altered it in photoshop? so, y it is good to take RAW?
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I think u need Adobe Camera Raw plug-in for Photoshop to open RAW file. That's how mine works. You can download the plug-in from Adobe website. Or just install Lightroom. I usually use Lightroom to process my RAW file becuase i like it's layout and workflow.

Even if u don't have both software, the Sony Imaga data converter that came with our camera is capable for processing RAW file.
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QUOTE(freaky_deity @ Nov 4 2009, 03:06 PM)
I've learn dat, take pict as raw is better. but when i use raw to take pict, i cant altered it in photoshop? so, y it is good to take RAW?
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u need raw plugin for photoshop, or u can use the sony converter 1 (from the Alpha CD)

like i said before, the RAW file IS the original picture that camera take without compression, without data loss, without any image processing done.. more headroom when procssing raw compare to jpeg..

RAW- we can tweak there, tweak here (like we forgot to adjust WB will make the pic more bluish@yellowish) until we satisfied then save to jpeg for further manipulation..

u need to try it 1st for futher understanding.. icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(MechaHerc @ Nov 4 2009, 03:15 PM)
u need raw plugin for photoshop, or u can use the sony converter 1 (from the Alpha CD)

like i said before, the RAW file IS the original picture that camera take without compression, without data loss, without any image processing done.. more headroom when procssing raw compare to jpeg..

RAW- we can tweak there, tweak here (like we forgot to adjust WB will make the pic more bluish@yellowish) until we satisfied then save to jpeg for further manipulation.. 

u need to try it 1st for futher understanding.. icon_idea.gif
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agree, RAW only useful if u do a lot of tweaking, the curent technology is good enuf for me hence i dont really shoot raw unless i use super high ISO and tricky ligting...or super important events
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QUOTE(Sp00kY @ Nov 4 2009, 03:07 PM)
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the yellow look abit over exposed on my lcd..

QUOTE(freaky_deity @ Nov 4 2009, 03:06 PM)
I've learn dat, take pict as raw is better. but when i use raw to take pict, i cant altered it in photoshop? so, y it is good to take RAW?
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since u learn that take raw is a better choice...i believe u shd know raw allows u more room to do post processing...maybe ur question should change to "y i cant edit my raw in photoshop" instead tongue.gif
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QUOTE(achew @ Nov 4 2009, 03:17 PM)
the yellow look abit over exposed on my lcd..
since u learn that take raw is a better choice...i believe u shd know raw allows u more room to do post processing...maybe ur question should change to "y i cant edit my raw in photoshop" instead tongue.gif
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i felt that too.(too glaring hha).i realized that the exif: 1/4000 at f/1.7 and ISO 100 smile.gif hhha...i was too in love with f/1.7 lsat time hhehe...nonetheless, the colors are very nice smile.gif (i find it la)

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ok.. learn my lesson here....
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QUOTE(Sp00kY @ Nov 4 2009, 03:19 PM)
i felt that too.(too glaring hha).i realized that the exif: 1/4000 at f/1.7 and ISO 100 smile.gif hhha...i was too in love with f/1.7 lsat time hhehe...nonetheless, the colors are very nice smile.gif (i find it la)
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i had that problem once too..keep shooting in F1.4 then realize shutter limit was at 1/4000..lol
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QUOTE(DolphinDiver007 @ Nov 4 2009, 01:37 PM)
eerrr...... y they need both??
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so u have both hahaha, so no need worried which is good since u got backup of both... ok i was kidding. it really depends
everyone has thier reason; which is your?

Jpeg : i dont plan to edit, i need the space for more pic, i'm Pro with WB, dont need to adjust later. etc
RAW: i must calibrate the color later. i feel more secure with more space to edit later on. raw is good. etc smile.gif
RAW+Jpeg: if jpeg is bad, got raw.... if jpeg good, delete the raw (after u upload to the computer)
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QUOTE(achew @ Nov 4 2009, 03:25 PM)
i had that problem once too..keep shooting in F1.4 then realize shutter limit was at 1/4000..lol
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prime lens are so poisonous ......when ya getting a 85mm/135mm smile.gifsmile.gif....
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regarding shooting raw and space to edit, honestly, i find many PRO - PS they can actually manipulate what raw editor does and even better. smile.gif so my opinion, i think is more like, there is RAW software with so many 'easy slider' just slide u get instant result VS PS PS PS PS till u get the result u wan @.@. for non PS user or beginner, shooting raw actually save time in editing VS using PS(that if u plan to do PP anyway)... lol... but sometimes, u just have to learn how to PreProcess (meaning learn to set the correct setting to shoot) then spending so much time in Post Process (fixing the setting that u didnt use after the shot)

there are people who never do PP, but suprisingly, thier works are still apperciated highly in society. wink.gif

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QUOTE(achew @ Nov 4 2009, 03:25 PM)
i had that problem once too..keep shooting in F1.4 then realize shutter limit was at 1/4000..lol
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that's when ND4 comes in handy wink.gif

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post Nov 4 2009, 03:38 PM

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but ND is hard to get...
i cant find it... did anyone knows where to buy ND filters?

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2/3rds of a stop does help. It's the difference between 1/20s and 1/13s. One of them might be too slow!

Light is measured in many ways. There is absolute EV (which is what AF sensors are measured by.) An Absolute EV of 0 means F1.0 ISO100 will have a 1 second exposure. (Or F1.4 ISO3200 gives 1/15s.) Absolute EV can go negative as well.

For example, the Sony A380 is rated to focus and meter based on this Absolute EV measurement:

Auto Focus
EV 0 to 18 (ISO 100) detection range

Metering range
EV 2 to 20 (Multi-segment / Center-weighted)
EV 4 to 20 (Spot metering)
(at ISO 100 with F1.4 lens)

Yes, the contrastyness of a lens helps with locking focus. A fungused lens loses contrast and will hunt more.

Shooting RAW and using the RAW editor is already considered Post Processing, just that you're working off a RAW and not a JPG.

Braynumb: Dunno. Have you tried the A550?
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actually even if we shoot jpg..when the vivid mode or wadever mode..DRO..etc etc applied to the picture..its already 'processed" in some ways...to me the diff is its done by the camera without u knowing/its done during ur post processing..but as long as the results are satisfying..i guess either way is fine....
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C&C pls....

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u have sensor dust there...remember to blow it off or clone it out from ur photo =p

imo first shot has potential...the other 2 shots lack of some "interesting-ness"
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i have installed sony alpha software but wat if i wan to convert a folder of RAW to jpeg..i cant find tht..pls help
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