QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 8 2009, 01:33 PM)
Personally speaking.. not including rotors (this is from 70grams to 140grams range), skewer and cassette.
Acceptable --> ~1.9kg
Good --> 1.6-1.7kg
Great --> damn blaaardy light.
of course this is without compromising on strength lar..and strictly from the pov of XC without big drops and such.
I think... subject to discussion
Bikelust: Full susser > HT
Timeless-ness : Full susser < HT
14kg HT < 14kg Full Susser
10kg HT > 14kg Full Susser
yeah. compared my 13.7kg bike to a 13.6kg anthem, anthem frame around 1kg heavier, but everything else lighter, can still climb better than my HT. poisoned by its lighter wheelset+crank.

QUOTE(kuzgo @ Dec 8 2009, 01:55 PM)
Put it this way, 3.6k for the whole bike and i'll be happy d. For the frame, kena offer lorh. nego-nego first. haha
ooohhh. not bad. AM 4000 right? high spec components, nice bike.
QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 8 2009, 02:51 PM)
I like your Oren

orange goes well with black. should have gone with black brake levers imho