guys what is the approximately cheapest street price for a300 std package now? does it come with bag? which alpha model come with video recording & live view? thanks

every brand has an entrance level camera thats good enough for beginner...and every brand has their own high end cameras which satisfy every pro(i guess when u r a pro..u shd not be biased)..so i don see y sony is specially good for beginners while C n N is better when u move on to FF..

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Added on October 11, 2009, 1:37 amu shd try to find shops that stil have stocks b4 u try to find out the cheapest price for a300 n a200...


so far none of the alpha model comes with vid recording..and a300 a330 a380 a500 a550 comes with live view..

This post has been edited by achew: Oct 11 2009, 01:37 AM

its hard not to be a fanboy. When u see the cameras 'technically'...C and N FF have better noise reduction and image quality...especially the 5d mark2...and also they have better body quality. D300 onwards are splash proof (written in spec sheet)...even covered with snow also no problem.

about the beginner DSLR...i still think sony is good. Wireless flash is nice..and the grip is comfortable compared to d60 and 1000d.

AlphaBeta: Undeniably, the professional-level offerings from Canon and Nikon have more features, but if you need an autofocus Zeiss or say the 135mm F2.8/T4.5 STF, you have no choice.

me

@braynumb : sorry bro, actually im asking sp00ky if he see any 30F2.8 thr...

tried out A550 at sonystyle, the hi iso really very good at 1600 n 3200. when comparing with A300, it's at least close to iso800. weight n grip bout the same. ovf is larger, sss indicator is very much easier to see in ovf which is good as i hv problem with my A300. manual live check will zoom closer to the subject but dun really know how to use it. screen is large n clear. comes with a very unique feature, face detection coupled with smile shutter will make self portrait easier without the need of self-timer but must smile lor . when hdr is on, it takes 2 exposures, dunno if tis is adjustable. well, i would say, i am very happy if tis my A300

yea the STF!..they mentioned about this in nikon thread...but wht is this STF so special about? read bout it..but still

agreed. infact, alphabeta, u are looking backward, u never know what sony next step will be.... they do have the leading HD Camcorder tech, masssive funding, hunting for graphic-software company to buy out and harvest thier tech... etc and they own a huge R&D sensor factory that made sensor for both sony and nikons. they are rich.

lol..i know Sony is catching up! but mean while..i better ride on a leading horse. Yea they are still making sensors for nikon. Canon made their own now..was supplied by them.

p/s: every1 is shooting me.. hey.. i was a Sony user..and i loved Sony sooo much tht time...but..love changes with time

This post has been edited by AlphaBeta: Oct 11 2009, 01:49 AM

AlphaBeta: This, most simply, shows how the STF works optically:



Note that unlike the Defocus Control or Soft Focus lenses, it does not add a layer of haze or soften the out-of-focus area. Instead, every single out-of-focus point is graduated from the center. Thus there is never an out-of-focus thick stripe with bright outlines (bad bokeh!)

Also, the front element is oversized so that all OOF points are perfect circles (the 135mm F1.8 in the comparison, gives cat's-eye bokeh the further away from the center.)

ok..undeniable..noise aspect..sony has no fight against C or N..but maybe due to my shooting habits..i dont really have chance to shoot anything more than 1600 yet...and from my test..3200 stil looks perfectly fine to me after my PP..

weather proof wise..well..being an asian guy..too bad i hardly bring my slr to play around with snow..the only chance i had when i was on my trip to korea..my humble a300 works fine..but of coz i never cover it with snow purposely(whats the point anyway)..and i remember i read about an article writing about bringing a900 to some extreme weather..and it works perfectly alright too..but again..its good to have function..but how many of us do that?

wireless flash is good...i seriously feel the need of it after i migrated to a850..but dont feel like spending money on extra flash yet T_T

grip wise..actually as long as its not too small...most of the grip i've tried(D90..D300....350D..5Dm2..50D..a300..a850) works fine on my palm..perhaps im not that picky..

no no we not shooting >.< hahahaha maybe we just a little agressive~ but hor, i envy u also, D90 also my dream camera! hahaha but too scare to jump, tak ada duittt

i understand a300 is obsolete but what is the last pricing for it (as a guidance only)? i intend to get it as my 1st dslr because of its 'live view' where else nikon & canon do not have?


This post has been edited by quintesson: Oct 11 2009, 01:58 AM

haha..if i not wrong...my company does make sensor for sony APSC..but maybe not finished product..

i guess im very supportive..most of my gadgets has parts from my company...a300..iphone..wii...nokia...lol

CPL filter is only uses when u know u need it, and u will know when u play DSLR after 6 month.

go check out A330. or A550 (if u can save a little longer and fork out a little more)

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Added on October 11, 2009, 1:59 amtrade secret trade secret, shhhhhh, later u get fired, u cant fund new gear,... shhhh hahahaha

This post has been edited by ieR: Oct 11 2009, 01:59 AM

to me its just a name..other brands shd have their respective "liveview"...maybe sony is a lil bit better in this aspect..but i nv really compare against other liveview b4..so im not going to comment it..


i would advice u just to get ur camera + lens + memory card...don buy any additional batt/filter/tripod/grip/flash blablabla right away...just play with the default camera first...u can always buy those when u feel u have the need for it..

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Added on October 11, 2009, 2:01 amlol...hopefully im good enough to be a full time photographer by the time they decided to fire me..hhaha...engineering is kinda boring to me.. >.<

This post has been edited by achew: Oct 11 2009, 02:01 AM

told ya not to study hard, work as photographer, they earn more...

@albnok..i like the bokeh produced by the STF...thx for the explaination.

yea up to each person... U may use photoshop to lower down the noise or get a better FF with a price of course. woah..i have not even been to anywhere outside malaysia except australia. Shooting under snow isnt my problem to worry too. But i really would like to shoot under heavy rains...i missed out few opportunities to shoot some events due to heavy rain! Im sure a700 onwards are able to shoot under rain..but im not going to risk it..coz they are no strong prove or ppl tried to shoot under heavy rain and claimed tht it has no problem.

wireless for the win! all DSLR grips are good for me except 1000d,d40,d60 and Pentax...gosh i hate pentax the most..

LOL..i didnt..i was just lucky

but i guess even i dont study hard also cannot be photographer...first im not THAT artistic...second..im destined to be a noob(coz the "pro" always say that 1) they don shoot raw or use photoshop..2)they dont use sony)

Sony has the fastest live view focus(meaning very fast lock on)...forget nikon and canon's live view...they sucs! too slow!

i've read photographyblog review about the a330, it is not as good as a300 in term of handling & feel. as for a550 is still very new & the price is not gonna be lot cheaper than the obsolete a300.
my main consideration is i'm a beginner & a300 already given what i need anti shake, anti dust & live view + most of all a more affordable price for me to learn b4 climbing up the ladder.

hopefully i will join this Orange legion very soon & by that time i'll definitely be more active in this thread for more guidance from all sifus here.

This post has been edited by quintesson: Oct 11 2009, 02:14 AM