okok...thx for ur advice...
I am looking for second hand nissan sentra now...
hope can get a nice one...

i currently using vios , good in power and look..no problem at all

I had tried both while vacation on Langkawi & I’ll choose Sentra. Main reason is stability, spacious & comfort.

For buying new Nissan Sentra, currently there is no 1.8L model available. There is only left 1.6L auto & manual to choose which labeled by TCM as Nissan Sentra Sport. I’ll go for manual since 1.6L Auto feel bit underpowered. For manual you can easily reach 180kph & can slowly catch up to 200kph but there is speedometer cut-off so after 190kph it will rebound to 160kph but still going on without any decreasing speed. I don’t know if it can be higher since I still value my life.
For auto it can reach 165kph & if lucky, you can see it until 180kph & not more than that. So choose wisely. Anyway, it is always good for having Sentra 1.8 Auto if want to choose for 2nd hand & remember 1.8L having more FC than 1.6L Sentra.

Vios in other hand provide better FC on city drive. But in highway run, it still loses to Sentra FC. Since both are not in same class (sub-compact & mid-size), no wonder Vios is better in city drive. If not mistaken, Sentra B16/N16 had rated mid-sized car by EPA same goes for new Honda Civic which is also previously on compact class. Nissan entry-car level (compact) had been occupied by Latio right now.
My FC record for Sentra is full tanks Petronas RON95 45L can go up to 560km for city drive & 670km for highway drive. Fuel warning usually pop-up when reach 450km for city drive & 550km for highway drive. Usually I refill when 500km on city drive & 600km on highway drive only fill 41 litre so it still left 4 litre inside tanks. It is still acceptable for his class. New car always consume more fuel since all the part still tight. Real FC came after 10000km.

Sentra had been long in Nissan market. What irritate me is it dashboard still using same as 2001 when 1st generation PreFL N16 launched in Malaysia. Although the dashboard is nice comparing to new Nissan model & new one had sporty color, I still think Nissan designer is lazy or it is just TCM fault. New Nissan Sentra Sport is currently on it 3rd revision (FL2 N16) although the different is just it facelift & rear lamp design. Also it is still using QG16DE engine same as 2001. Only Latio & Grand Livina got new HR16DE engine which is co-developed with Renault. Another reason for me thinks Nissan is just lazy. But since it is NISMO, their entire engine should be reliable.

This post has been edited by x_barrage: Nov 8 2009, 06:54 PM

Yeah I'm so agree with your view. Pretty much the best comment so far from my point of view, since I'm an owner of Nissan Sentra 1.6 (AT). Plus, I'm working in Langkawi, but the car wasn't bought in Langkawi though;-).

Honestly, if anyone wanna own one (Sentra) or Vios, please stop comparing the FC of both, coz if he concerns too much about FC, so he better finds a Kancil or cars with smaller cc. Vios is a bit better in terms of FC, full stop. For me, so far it's been 2 years owning the car, there are things that bother me about the Sentra, but still it has nice things too. (the car was actually bought in 2005 by my brother, then I continue his monthly payments since May 2007 coz he bought another car)

First off, let me honestly explain those things that bother me, though not too much. Yeah I'm kind of annoyed with its dashboard, it looks good but in fact it's the same with previous version. The dials (speedometer) looks a bit simple too. As far as its engine is concerned, the 1.6 auto feels a bit under-power, especially when you have 4-5 adults in the car. For that reason, I'd rather have the 1.8, but if you normally drive alone or with 1 passenger only, 1.6 should not be a problem. And if anyone prefer better acceleration, Vios should win coz it's lighter and I've seen (in Youtube) a Vios doing 190kmh++ on PLUS highway, whereas my Nissan (auto) could only reach 165kmh & I don't know why (even some Proton cars can reach beyond 180kmh nowadays, come on..this is Nissan Sentra, arghh...:-(). I believe some are saying that Sentra has speed-cut behind its gearbox, but also don't know whether most workshops know how to remove the speed-cut. Another thing is, it's suspensions are just too soft & bouncy, and I've read many complaints on this issue in some forums..which I believe that this bothers most Sentra users. Last but not least, if anyone wants to own a Sentra (1.6 version), please choose the version that has brake-disc on all wheels, not drum brakes at the rear coz at times, I could feel that drum brakes aren't so effective during emergency..I think so coz that's what I experienced. For me, a car with that price should offer brake-discs on every wheel..even all Proton Waja come with that offer as basic equipment.

Now let's talk about nice things about it, that make me believe Sentra is a better choice than a Vios. Like I've mentioned before, my boss owns a Vios & I've driven it a few times. Vios engine is undoubtedly quite loud, but it never feels under-power. Nissan, on the other hand has a very quite engine..really. There are few times where I've almost start the car twice coz if you start the car & leave it for a while (for whatever reason), when you get back into the car you'll feel like the engine is not running at all. Sentra offers better interior & build-quality than the Vios. Sentra has better space too, & looks a bit luxurious at times if equipped with leather-seats. It feels better on long run with satisfactory comfort. People's perceptions also tell that Sentra is better than Vios, & I believe this mostly due to its price & cc (more expensive & offers two variants - 1.6 & 1.8 as opposed to only 1 variant of Vios, which is available in 1.5 only). There are other good things about Sentra & there are nice things about Vios, which I could not explain everything here. Thing is, do more research if you want better & a more accurate comparisons.

p/s: Please note that the above comparisons are only based on experience of a normal driver, not a professional.

Found this on Youtube. The dizziness of N16 speedometer after more than 180kph & more dizziest after top gear reach 5000RPM. Maybe should change to R35 GT-R speedometer.


This is at least around 230kph judging from 2 times speedometer cut off after 180kph limit & tachometer still increasing.

This post has been edited by x_barrage: Nov 15 2009, 11:43 PM

You yet to see SR16VE smokes B16 and SR20VE smokes K20...
Nway my sis using Sentra 1.6(2001).Brought 2 years ago.so far she never had so much on maintenance..the car also still looks good as new..

This post has been edited by b48753: Nov 15 2009, 11:51 AM

Dude, i personally own this 2 car but how come my nissan sentra 1.6 engine noiser than my vios 06 , and the power also under vios? WOW toyota OLD technology still better than nissan ..what a joke! LOLZ

The Sentra 1.6 are way more comfortable interior & has larger cabin. And that's about it. However it is more floaty than Vios & not as zippy as the smaller Vios & lousier FC.


It is legitimate to consider FC as fuel price will be slowly becoming luxurious item - especially where 1 car is more zippy & also lighter in FC, while the other 'underpowered' & heavier FC; do remember Kancil 660cc doesn't offer the power available in these 1.5L/1.6L and even Kancil doesn't have such good FC as the 1.5L.

The only useless point for FC is when comparing 'powerful' or 'powderful' cars.

I'm not sure how come the engine of Sentra is noisier than a Vios. Honestly at idle, a Vios is a bit louder than a Sentra (coz my boss' car & mine always park side to side, where I could easily notice the difference in their engine sound). The sound while driving is still the same too, Vios is a bit louder, & I mean a bit (noticeably) louder than Sentra 1.6. Still a 1.6 Sentra feels a bit underpower, & you don't feel this in Vios, despite having a quieter engine.

However in Sentra, when you slam your pedal in order to overtake (especially on hills), the engine will become quite loud as its rev goes beyond 5000rpm, where my brother in-law said that it sounds like a turbo (he knows little about cars), but to me it's kind of annoying.

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Added on November 16, 2009, 2:07 pmI should agree on that, I mean I was wrong to say that Kancil is the most suitable car if FC becomes quite a big issue. I understand that for potential buyers, information about FC is important, so to look whether the car in overall goes well with our monthly budget. But my advice as a Sentra owner (1.6), the FC is not much of a problem. Kind of reasonable from my point of view, especially if you normally avoid using aircond. I prefer using fresh air during normal cruising coz you can see that it does save fuel reasonably.


This post has been edited by Pitmie: Nov 16 2009, 02:07 PM

Turn-off air-cond & open car window after 80kph is bad for FC since wind will cause drag force making your car heavier.
For me, Sentra 1.6 (AT) performance was quite bad, but Sentra 1.6 (MT) in other hand the best in its class & surely going to leave VIOS TRD Sportivo behind. For stability, I admit Sentra quite floaty when in high speed unless change new sport RIM or adjustable absorber, but it will effect performance. However, Sentra had more kerb weight & width design, thus have better cornering stability than taller design VIOS.

Kancil & Viva 660cc has better FC than any 1.5L car especially VIOS. I had heard ppl said more cc more better FC. However I’m experience different. While VIOS FC average around 14-15km/L, Kancil/Viva 660 average FC has 18.5km/L. I can fill RM50 on Vios for KL-Ipoh, but I just need RM35 KL-Ipoh for Kancil/Viva.
For comparison, Sentra 1.6 (MT) is also around 14km/L. While Sentra 1.6 (AT) around 13km/L.

This post has been edited by x_barrage: Nov 17 2009, 01:45 AM

more cc means better FC? those ppl means 5.0 V12 engine has very good FC? lol
RM50 means KL to ipoh and come back KL? ya thats normal for a vios which used around 60-70% of full tank.

it depend, whether you want comfort or FC
imho, vios vvti is way ahead of sentra vti,

get sentra if always travel long distance
get vios if in city driving

VVT-I is Toyota terms their variable valve timing. Had been used since 1996 & still same with VVT-i not like VTECH to i-VTECH or VTC to cVTC. Nissan use term VTC especially on Sentra N16 2001 until now. On newer model such as Latio & Grand Livina they got cVTC & X-cVTC for Sylphy. Not to mention VVL & Neo-VVL for Nissan's performance engine. While Honda with their iDSi , VTECH & i-VTECH.

While it term are different, the main goal is same & I don't think there is too much different. At this moment, only Honda's boy can proud with their adding i on VTECH (i-VTECH) although they probably doesn't even know how it work.

This post has been edited by x_barrage: Nov 17 2009, 02:09 AM

wat the hell, u reply like a pro but u cant even write the "VTEC" properly

Although capacity correlates FC closely, it still widely depends on other factors. Smaller capacity cars will see huge, and I mean HUGE, savings when driving in seriously congested/stop-n-go roads. Otherwise a 1.5L could reach 18.6km/L even constant on 130km/h for 375km stretch. FC measurement varies widely and very dependent on road/traffic condition as well as journey length. And the 'sweet' spots for the performance/FC balance, IMO, seems to hover on 1.5L +/- 0.3L for sedan; and 0.9L +/- 0.2L on k-cars.


Dug out my old post: Variable Valves marketing names

This post has been edited by dstl1128: Nov 17 2009, 08:22 AM

That's why I said average driving condition. We don't always go for highway when we decided to buy city car (K-car) do we? Same as most people with VIOS or Honda City. Not to mention 1.5L City iDSi only has 8 Valve so driving in high speed after 3000RPM will consume more fuel than other car.

Lucky for Honda fan since their entire new car had i-VTEC badge to show-off after VTEC including Honda City. While most common Toyota car still had VVT-i. Most common Nissan car already have cVTC badge, Sentra Malaysia still stuck with old VTC badge. Nothing to show-off unlike Sentra US already have cVTC badge. Pity for us.

Then you should quote me also for typing VVT-I instead VVT-i. Actually I more used to talk rather than word. That's why I dunno how to spell VTEC. As long as you understand, I'm happy.

This post has been edited by x_barrage: Nov 17 2009, 11:57 AM

Average driving condition Vios FC is still far better than Sentra and still better than Kancil 660, not to say the responsiveness is also better.

And regardless of 8 valve or iDSI, driving high speed after 3000RPM definitely consume more fuel. Whether it would be more than other car, depends on which comparables are you talking about?

It wasn’t too far. I had tried VIOS before decided to buy a car, but probably only a few times so it still can be doubt my observation. However, you can always search at Motor Trader forum if not Google for VIOS FC. The most record I see is around 16km/L for 100% highway drive although there is some people claim 17km/L. Not even reach my average Kancil FC; 18.5km/L for 50% town drive & 50% highway.

I also have Sentra 1.6 (MT). The highest FC record I got should be 670km per 45L for 100% highway drive. That make around 14.8km/L. That time my mileage still below 10000km so all part still tight to got real FC. However, there are people at NismoClub forum claim it can reach 700km so around 15km/L. That if you think VIOS FC is far better with only 1.2km per liter comparing to Sentra which is 1.6cc, having more curb weight & different class. Sentra FC still better than Iswara 1.3L (own) & Wira 1.5L (own).

As for City iDSi & 8 valves you also can search at Motor Trader if you still doubt my observation. They got user list for all Honda model’s FC. You’ll find City iDSi highway drive consume more fuel than city drive. That is since we assume most car had better mileage on highway drive especially when talking about 1.5L car with also has 8 Valves & 16 Valves. For comparison you can take Honda City i-VTEC (16 Valves) which is way better FC on highway run if not VIOS (16 Valves). Kancil also can.

This post has been edited by x_barrage: Nov 17 2009, 04:47 PM

the best FC that u'll get is around 80 - 90km/h on highway/freeway (100% non city drive)

After several years using Sentra 1.6 (AT), I decided to trade-in the car & I'd rather go for Sentra 1.8. I still love using Sentra, but somehow I can't get enough satisfaction using 1.6 (AT) for some reasons..like mine doesn't have full disc-brakes (drums at the rear really annoying during emergency, it feels so bad with only front disc-brakes)..another thing is I've been watching Sentra 1.8 so many times already & I think that the interior is also better than my 1.6 (2005)..with dashboard matches its leather seat colour, few wood-like trims, auto-close side mirrors, plus some other nice features.

I've heard that even 1.8 Sentra has better FC than 1.6, I wanna hear your views on this. I even contacted some Sentra 1.8 owners who want to sell their Sentra for that reason.