I mean marantz is musical and pioneer is strong bass

Marantz are good in musical and have solid bass. That's why after I spent rm2300 for the AVR, I no need to change sub liao.
And to say Pioneer(entry level) strong in bass also not that right, if speaking of flat vs flat on EQ settings.
This is the review I get when I change from VSX-816 to SR5007.

Is not a fair comparison in your case. The pioneer is a older model and the marantz as new model sure have improve a lot.

Yamaha is going to come out the x50 series within this 2 months. That is really fast

Don't know on this, usually I'll dig the service manual first
Then will see is there any major change or not. Some even using the same DSP, output board for few years

If just changing the naming and internal still using the same, no point also
Like certain models can update the ROM to have atmos, which means it is just using software to change the sound behavior

This post has been edited by supersound: May 9 2015, 02:57 PM

This might be true but new model sure is backward compatible and older model just cannot do what new model can do. So the x40 series might not be able to do DTS x

Yup, you are right on this, that's why sometimes I like to stress is hardware driven or software driven. If hardware driven, then is something can't be changed easily, if using software to tune, then it can be control with our finger
Like atmos, 4K or whatever marketing gimmick, when doing the recording, do they put extra mic on top? I doubt so.
This is where a strong DSP chip comes in to play.

This post has been edited by supersound: May 9 2015, 03:08 PM

atmos require more processing power or good processing chip to decode that way atmos now only have in mid-high end avr

AD's Sharc DSP enough or not

as far as i know only Auro3d require multiple mic in recording,not in atmos even dts x...lol

Is it? Anyway, for me, don't keep on chasing our own shadow, not worth at all.

4 sharc chip-set in denon atmos avr previous only used 2

Need to pay extra liao

yup that's true,next will be dts x+atmos+auro3d(maybe) in avr and price will be crazier..

This post has been edited by bad2928: May 9 2015, 03:51 PM

Like that better stick back to normal system will do

I had a chance to view an Auro 3D demo disc and even at my 7.1 setup, the height sound improvement is staggering....

tractor passing demo is so real almost passing beside my room..

This post has been edited by Mov_freak: May 9 2015, 04:46 PM

I was also impressed with the Pipe Organ in the church. Very VERY realistic.

http://www.whathifi.com/pioneer/sc-lx87/review




5 star

how is that possible when there's no height channel in your 7.1 setup?