A is probably out of the question Melb uni students generally don't get preference over Monash, although some hospital schools are famous (or notorious) for selecting their own clinical school students. I ain't gonna open a can of worms, you would know which ones when the time comes.
B is quite likely, although I won't be too optimistic about the number of available positions. After all, you can't expect hospitals to double the number of intern positions as the hospital budgets won't be able to support all the pay.
C... why not lol. Become a Victorian resident (Group 1 match) and you'll be guaranteed a job, somewhere, somehow.

Of course, there are still a number of unfortunate international students for god knows what reason fail to obtain a spot even after 2nd round or subsequent late offers. But generally speaking, as long as you're not too picky + not too unlucky you'll get somewhere in Vic. The question is whether you want to accept it or not.

Tell that to the JPA scholars... There are simply too many scholars who actually applied and got a job, and la and behold, they're staying back probably by choosing to pay back the amount of money JPA spent on them. Then again, no one truly knows what the contract holds, even the JPA scholars themselves (or maybe they are just keeping quiet and not letting us know).

MARA is even more absurd as the amount they are required to pay back should they choose to break the bond is merely peanuts.

This post has been edited by StarGhazzer: Sep 7 2009, 09:28 PM

i will come back and serve my bond fully for sure, even if i can afford to pay them back by that time
it's just that i'm wondering whether i could have the opportunity to complete my specialization
if no, then fine, i'm fine and more than willing to serve my bond straight away on graduation
i have heard of few cases that JPA do allow some medical graduates to stay on now and then, of course with certain conditions
not too sure with the details though

ooo.. so many people graduating in 2013?
if everything goes well, i should be graduating at the end of 2013 too

and yes, it's also my plan to at least become a specialist before i come back here.


This post has been edited by monkeygirl: Sep 7 2009, 11:35 PM

many jpa and mara scholars default on their bonds.......both bodies, being typical of msian efficiency, are very lax in tracing these defaulters and imposing the penalty.......so most got away with it........the country spent rm1 million of my tax money, and got nothing in return.........

my point is not from the legal aspect.......but the moral and ethics aspect......

and no, the scholarship does NOT come with the provision of staying on to do postgraduate.......

From what I know at the moment, JPA does not cover postgraduate training as one would be required to work as an intern after graduation, i.e. not studying anymore. Therefore the scholar has to return and serve his/her contract unless he/she manages to break the bond by paying back the full amount (normally the case) or sendiri cabut (less likely as their penjamin/parents are still in M'sia).

As for those who manage to stay back for postgrad training under JPA, well I don't think anyone really knows what the 'certain conditions' are unless you're the scholar him/herself. Like I said, most of my JPA friends don't really know the full details of their contract plus the conditions may change over time.

in the past the penalty of default was a ridiculously small fixed sum, something like rm100k........so when the jpa scholarship was opened to non-malays in the late 90's, many took it and just pay the bond at the end.......

current penalty is the full sum spent on the student plus interests.......but i know of several scholars who defaulted and up to 2-3 years after, no action was taken by jpa.........

in spite of clear instructions given to scholars just before they graduate, that they have to return, some people appealed, and were given exemption, to stay back and attempt post-graduate......so the jpa itself is at fault for being inconsistent in its actions........

In Australia, you need to be Australian PR or Citizen to get into any specialty training. Where are you planning to go during your PMS stint?

once you are working in oz, applying and getting a pr is likely, so that is usually not an issue.......

however, many med students thinks it is easy to just continue and get postgraduate training......in oz, training and eligibility to sit for postgraduate exams is tightly controlled by the respective speciality colleges, and it is VERY highly competitive trying to get into a training post.......and seniority plays no part in this.......once you fail to get in, you reapply and goes back into the pool together with all your upcoming juniors........

in this respect, the uk colleges are easier, as they are more open to people sitting for the exams.......for the medical colleges that is......but unfortunately they are as strict for the surgical colleges' fellowships exams (they are lax for the mrcs, but that is NOT recognised by msia).......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Sep 8 2009, 10:28 AM

don't worry i've never ever thought of defaulting
to me what jpa and the ppl want are not the full amount of the money back but something in return after investing
so i for sure will come back to serve

btw afaik mara scholarship is more like a loan than scholarship? they have actually no bond to serve but need to return their money, and the amount depending on how good their results are? correct me if i'm wrong

This post has been edited by chika138: Sep 8 2009, 10:47 AM

i've known personally that mara scholars need to pay only 1 percent of what government spent on them, which is er.. if it's 1 mil, it'll be 10k. 2 words aye: double standard.

So StarGhazzer. Are you working in Victoria now? Anyone else working in Vic?

That's true.Some of them don't even need to pay back the government.

ya that's what i heard from some mara scholars
for some other courses u need to get very distinctive results (like first class degree) only can get 100% scholarship (no need to pay back a single cent)
for medic u just need to pass and graduate, then no need to pay back, no bond
if it's true i dun see any point and benefit giving the scholarship to them
again i might be wrong for my info, need someone to clarify if i'm wrong

Not yet, but going to, if everything goes well

The 1% Mara thingy, that's what I've heard as well. Sounds really unfair, especially since that puny amount can be repaid in a glimpse of an eye if you're working overseas. Oh bugger... M'sia boleh, apa pun boleh.

I'm not quite sure about this. The RACP website doesn't specify that you need a PR or citizenship to enroll in their training programme... To put it in a harsh manner, if you've finished your PGY1, and is good enough and pay them $$ they'll take you. Most people start training in PGY3 although there's a fair share of people who started certain training programmes in PGY2.

Not quite sure about RACS and other colleges but I think it shouldn't be that much different.

This post has been edited by StarGhazzer: Sep 8 2009, 08:26 PM

i doubt if there are any internationals working in oz past fgy1 who are not pr's.......your bridging visa runs out in 18 months.....the limiting factor is not getting the jobs, but the visa to stay and work......

some will use employer sponsored visas to stay on, but that means working in remote areas, and you will not be in contention for training jobs for that period.....but most will just apply for a pr.......

yes there is such a policy, unofficially......

there is also such policy in uk, where pmetb ruled that img cannot take numbered jobs......however, foreigners graduating from uk med schools are considered home graduates.......

You don't need to be PR to go into physician training. 457 (Temporay Business) visa allow you to stay for maximum period of 4 years which can be reapplied with the same employer once it expires. However, if someone change to another health service/employer with 457, it need to be reapplied with your new employer as sponsor. 457 only allow someone to work with 1 employer.

SET training specify you must be an Australian citizen/PR to apply.

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Added on September 8, 2009, 8:59 pmAny btw I am PGY2 now and was lazy to apply PR so I am not PR yet. However, applying now cos I will be working with 2 employer next year and will be applying surgical training in the future.

This post has been edited by dunaskwhy: Sep 8 2009, 08:59 PM

i'm still thinking of aus or uk. haven't decided.

i know the SET training in aus requires you to get a pr. and i think it's always best to get a pr as early as possible. i know some applications can take months (esp in victoria) and a lot of headache. i heard its easier to get pr status in other states
and SET application is really tough i heard. very competitive
not quite sure about their physician training though.

as for uk, i think it's even harder for us international students to get into a specialty training there right? unless your work is really outstanding

Starghazzer, so come 2012, people like zltan and hopefully me who wants to continue on to workin in australia , if i manage to get a pr i'd hopefully get my job there right? and unlike uk where they just boot any non eu student after FY-2 ? with all the new universities coming up they dont really need foreign doctors!!

yeah the PR can take months at a time, my non medical friends there had to work odd jobs for a while to sustain their living while waiting to get their pr before applying into their respective fields.

Don't know... Things may change over time, but generally speaking if you're not a PR (ie in Group 2) you'll stand a lesser chance due to the quota.

I'm not too familiar with PR issues - some people tend to require quite a lot of time for it, some manage to get it even during their student time although the latter might be due to sponsorship from family members... not sure.

This post has been edited by StarGhazzer: Sep 10 2009, 09:29 PM

there is no way one can get enough points as a student for a pr, so it is always a family thing, usually the students parent(s) being eligible and obtaining a pr half way through the course........as a dependent, the student also become a pr........