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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Aug 8 2009, 10:43 AM)
Mind to share which are the 5 counters that based on your criterias are the best selections..for long term investment..... smile.gif
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Kamen Rider,

Search on my post in this forum and you will see which counter that I invested in and why.

As for the other 4, Cherroy has his / her list. I did not do enough research to have confident to invest on those. Check out the Cherroy recommendation on high dividend counter thread.

QUOTE(htt @ Aug 8 2009, 12:35 PM)
This is delighting news indeed, at least clear most of the doubt... rclxms.gif
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htt,

If SOMEONE want to sell 10 billions of something and he HOPE to sell at least 5 billions of that. But, the result is 1.4 billions. So, is that a GOOD result?? 1.4 out of 5 = 28%. Is that a passing grade??

This is what we call "Spin Control".

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QUOTE(yahiko @ Aug 6 2009, 11:41 AM)
AS1M still available for Non-bumi? woo~ so for Bumi still have long way to go~ if next week still available i might go top up~

I go QueensbayMall Maybank just now~ only few ppl, just normal banking stuff doing..
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Ha, it is greate that someone had take a step to buy Amanah Saham. Amanah Saham launch from Government always is the hottest to grab by non-bumi especally for Chinese. Why? This because the divident provided is higher than saving account.
Good, this is the first step as we need to fight with inflation rate. If the interet rate much more lower than inflation rate, how do we survive in the future. The value of our money is drop!

For me, Amanah Saham from Government is only for me to diversified the investment. I am most probably more like the private unit trust company where it is better for saving purpose.

Most of the government launch Amanah Saham will be finish fast and most of us will only do a big lum sum investment. How much the fresh graduate have, how much money do we have to buy it?

For unit trust investment it is advise for regular saving and we can save every month with smaller amount for our retirement fund, education fund or others purpose. Then for investment, it is highly recommended to do dollar cost averaging, that we not only buy at high market but also low market, which will end out with average value that may let us enjoy the benefit.

For unit trust investment, we cannot put our emergency fund to it, it is encourage to be long term investment and you keep 3 to 6 months expenses money as emergency fund before step to investment.

Regular investment is encourage to make you have a saving habits. To be achieve financial free, let money work for you but not only you work for money.
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Decoding PNB's Investment Strategy Ahead

Time to try and decode PNB's investing strategy, as some have voiced concerns over its last few fixed priced funds, and its ability to maintain those returns. Some of the information have been extracted from articles in The Edge.

Four of the 10 PNB funds are known as fixed-price funds where the price per unit is fixed at RM1 regardless of how the market performed. There is a history behind this practice. The first PNB fund, Amanah Saham Nasional, was launched as a fixed-price fund in 1981 but it reverted back to market pricing in 1991 as per the trust deed. Soon after that, Amanah Saham Bumiputera, a fixed-price fund was launched in 1990 for investors not accustomed to market fluctuations. Altogether, there are four such funds by PNB.

Fixed-price funds are practically risk-free as investors get back whatever they put in if or when they redeem their investments. On top of that, you get generous returns of 7% to 8% every year. It is a very good deal indeed but on the other side of the coin, the actual value of the underlying investments is unknown, unlike other unit trust funds where you know the value of your investments at any point in time. The balance sheets of fixed-price funds are not disclosed in their annual reports, and the Securities Commission, the body governing the unit trust industry, grants these funds various exemptions from its guidelines on unit trust funds.

How can a fund keep paying 6%-8% a year in dividend, invested 60%-90% in local equities, and will always have a fixed price of RM1 NAV. You cannot get that anywhere else, can you? Is anybody even a bit curious? PNB is not almighty. What about the 1997-1998 Asian crisis, the Internet meltdown, the 9-11 period, the SARS debacle, and the very recent subprime global meltdown ... surely we all saw that equity prices were hammered for an extended period.

The way PNB would argue is that they do income smoothing, or something along those lines. That in good year, say they get an 11% return, they will keep some of the gains and declare only 7% in dividends. The excess would go into a special performance account to top up future years that they do not have stellar dividends. That sounds alright except that you still did not know the exact real NAV of these funds.

PNB could very well be paying 6%-8% dividend every year on these fixed price funds but the real NAV may be deteriorating below RM1.00, and we don't know because its not known. Should we be concerned if the actual collective real NAV of these fixed priced funds were to be say RM0.97, RM0.93 and RM0.88 for 2006, 2007 and 2008 respectively??? We can only assume that their real NAV is healthy.

In good or bad markets, the funds have consistently returned steady dividends in the high single digit. But the fact is, the returns are lower today than in the 1980s and 1990s when dividends and bonuses were in the double-digit realm (as high as 20% for ASN in 1981). But no one is complaining about the 7% to 8% annual return today considering that investments in the fixed-price funds are essentially risk-free — you get your principal back when you sell your units.

PNB is a unique institution. I can understand how they can generate double digit return in the early years (PNB was established in 1979). Pernas, which had been acquiring public-listed companies under foreign control, was compelled to transfer 13 of its companies, including Sime Darby Bhd and Malaysia Mining Corp Bhd, to PNB at cost. Malayan Banking Bhd was transferred to PNB after Bank Negara Malaysia stepped in to restructure the bank in 1967 following a bank run, which wiped out 40% of its deposit base. PNB also benefited from grants and interest-free loans from the government to facilitate the acquisitions. By 1989, PNB had transferred to ASN sizeable stakes in various listed entities. Similarly, ASB’s assets comprised those transferred from PNB. Furthermore, as a bumiputera institution and one of the biggest institutional investors in town, PNB is said to have been allotted shares in companies en route to listing at attractive prices, given the need to meet the 30% bumiputera shareholding requirement.

In the 90s PNB still had its channels as many big companies got listed, and IPOs generally performed outstandingly during the early 90s bull run. Over the last few yers, these mega IPOs have dried up. PNB will now have to rely on corporate finance and restructuring to generate value to its stable of companies. Hence, arguably, the Sime Darby's mega plantation scheme is the start of many more projects under PNB's auspices. PNB will now have to consolidate its stable of companies, put them into synergistic groupings to create more value. All that is very necessary to continue to support these fixed priced funds that still give 6%-8% dividend income every year and can always be redeemed at RM1.00 par.

So, the scepticism over PNB's ability to maintain these returns is genuine and needed to be asked. As to whether they can do it depends on execution, the advisors they have, and how astute they are at not just managing funds but including appointing the right people to manage the synergies and put the collective resources to work. Sime Darby is still digesting the huge plantation firms acquired. It is imperative that PNB maintain a very high standard of professionalism in its retention of top management executives in running these merged entities. PNB has to minimise the political interference to have political appointees - it has to manage with clear transparency with global best practices as their mantra.

The next big project for PNB has to be its many property companies under its stable. PNB have SP Setia and Mah Sing, and its stakes in these companies have been "rising strategically". In contrast, PNB has accumulated almost 20% in Mah Sing and has direct and indirect interests of close to 32.9% in S P Setia. Another company that PNB has bought a stake in is I-Bhd, where it has 18.1%. Sime Darby Property could be better placed in a property conglomerate as it has the largest landbank in the country. Sime Darby’s landbank in the Klang Valley stretches from the Guthrie Corridor in the north of Selangor, to Putrajaya, Seremban and Port Dickson. The 37,000 acres in its landbank is about as big as Kuala Lumpur and three times the size of Putrajaya.

PNB took Petaling Garden Bhd, Island & Peninsular Bhd and Pelangi Bhd private between 2005 and 2007. The three collectively own 7,200 hectares of land. Apart from land, PNB also has buildings in prime locations that can easily be packaged into a real estate investment fund (REIT). Within its fold is also Syarikat Perumahan Pegawai Kerajaan Sdn Bhd (SPPK), which has a good property development record. Because of its huge landbank, Mah Sing and S P Setia are said to be possible vehicles for PNB to unlock value.

It looks increasingly like PNB want Sime Darby to concentrate on plantations. Hiving off SDP to a merged Mah Sing-SP Setia vehicle would probably yield great value to Sime Darby and ramps up PNB's control in Mah Sing-SP Setia. PNB holds about 53% stake in Sime Darby, which wholly owns Sime Property.

Imagine if PNB injects the three property developers – Island & Peninsular Bhd, Petaling Garden Bhd and Pelangi Bhd – all privatised between 2005 and 2007, as well into the merged SPSetia-Mah Sing vehicle. Its a mega property concern for sure. The good thing is that it can consolidate its landbank in one major masterplan and plan much better strategically. It will be much better capitalised as well to venture into new markets with various "brands" for the right markets.

I doubt very much PNB will take SP Setia or Mah Sing private. Injecting what they have into SP Setia-Mah Sing would make much more sense. The whole shebang would require massive amount of capital for development and venturing into new markets, you wouldn't want to take that onto PNB's balance sheets as we could be talking in billions of ringgit every few years.
Other institutional shareholders of SP Setia include the Employees Provident Fund with 12%, Capital Group of the US also with 12%, and other foreign shareholders which hold another 14% in the company. On June 18, SP Setia announced the appointment of two nominees of PNB – Tan Sri Wan Mohd Zahid Mohd Noordin and Datuk Noor Farida Mohd Ariffin – as its new non-independent and non-executive directors. SP Setia’s two executive directors – Khor Chap Jen and Teow Leong Seng – resigned from their positions on the same day. However, both remain with the company in their existing capacity as executive vice-president in charge of property division (central) and executive vice-president/CEO of international business development respectively.

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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Aug 9 2009, 12:06 AM)
How can a fund keep paying 6%-8% a year in dividend, invested 60%-90% in local equities, and will always have a fixed price of RM1 NAV.
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How about asking one unit to buy assets of another unit, e.g. EPF buys counters of PNB? For example, US government via Fed is purchasing US Treasuries/debts, e.g. a subsidiary is buying debts issued by parent
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Heard from post office officer AS1M for chinese quote already fully taken up.Any 1 can clarify?
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is it still possibel to buy asm or asw2020?

still available?
how 2 buy?


new to this kind of investment....



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QUOTE(samquah @ Aug 9 2009, 07:27 PM)
is it still possibel to buy asm or asw2020?
ASM is fully subscribed, be it Bumi or non-Bumi. As for ASW2020, billions of ASW2020 Bumiputra units still available.

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QUOTE(gstrapinuse @ Aug 9 2009, 06:57 PM)
Heard from post office officer AS1M for chinese quote already fully taken up.Any 1 can clarify?
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As indicated from my previous post on Bernama News, as at Friday closing, (3 days after launching), only 1.4 Bil was sold, out of 10bil available units.

Assuming 30% quota allocated for chinese, and assuming all 1.4bil sold are subscribed by Chinese, then there are still 1.6 Bil units (3.0bil chinese quota minus 1.4bil sold unit) available for sales. So plenty of units still available.

PNB has advertised full page in all major CHINESE newspapers for the last 2 days (saturday and today Sunday) to encourage chinese to buy AS1M,
i guess if u r a chinese, u can buy 2 rounds, 1st round during the promotional period, and 2nd round after the other race's quota is released, i.e. after 3rd September. PNB is making every effort to sell AS1M, which it has never done b4, their previous funds ASM/ASW being sold like hot cakes without any spending on advertisment.

Think the post office staff is not telling the truth....


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QUOTE(samquah @ Aug 9 2009, 07:27 PM)
is it still possibel to buy asm or asw2020?

still available?
how 2 buy?
new to this kind of investment....
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Sam, u can buy the units thru PNB agents, CIMB, Maybank, RHB Bank, Post office.

Nobody can tell u ASM or ASW2020 still available or not, as far as i concern, all non-bumi quotas are fully taken up, unless someone sold the units, then u can take up the available units. Many agent/banks dont allow to check the availability over the phone, so u need to bring your passbook & cash to the bank to ask if any units available at that point of time. Must try and error, so good luck on trying.

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i went to post office today but they said cannot buy asm1 today/... only mon to fri

they also said must bring photocopy ic


how is the process? just photocopy ic n cash? need to fill any form?
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QUOTE(samquah @ Aug 9 2009, 09:54 PM)
i went to post office today but they said cannot buy asm1 today/... only mon to fri

they also said must bring photocopy ic
how is the process? just photocopy ic n cash? need to fill any form?
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yes, you have to obtain a form used to start a new AS1M account. Fill it up and submit together with your photostate IC.
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wat to fill?
can fill on the spot?
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QUOTE(samquah @ Aug 9 2009, 09:54 PM)
i went to post office today but they said cannot buy asm1 today/... only mon to fri

they also said must bring photocopy ic
how is the process? just photocopy ic n cash? need to fill any form?
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Yes u must bring photostat IC and fill in 1 application form.Not to forget, ur cash as well if u wanna buy at pot office.


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QUOTE(samquah @ Aug 9 2009, 10:39 PM)
wat to fill?
can fill on the spot?
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If u wan it to be done fast,get the form 1st.Fill at home and bring it there directly.No need to waste ur time as well.U can fill it on the spot also.

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I don't think there will be long queue.
Lots of people doing ASB transaction (blue book) but no one buying AS1M when I go to the post office on friday.
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1Malaysia and still there is quotas.

Which Bumis would buy 1Malaysia, ASW 2020 or ASM if ASB gives out higher rates ?
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QUOTE(eric.tangps @ Aug 9 2009, 11:33 PM)
Which Bumis would buy 1Malaysia, ASW 2020 or ASM if ASB gives out higher rates ?
Those Bumiputras who have hit the RM200,000 limit with their ASB accounts.

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 9 2009, 08:00 PM)

Nobody can tell u ASM or ASW2020 still available or not, as far as i concern, all non-bumi quotas are fully taken up, unless someone sold the units, then u can take up the available units.
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I don't think so, last time I went to PNB and asked one of their staff, I asked her if my mom sold the asm, can I buy the amount that my mom sold, she told me cannot as there is a waiting list.

BTW, is the AS1M safe to invest, my dad worried it will end up like amanah saham sabah, now only worth 20 cents per unit.
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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Aug 9 2009, 07:31 PM)
ASM is fully subscribed, be it Bumi or non-Bumi. As for ASW2020, billions of ASW2020 Bumiputra units still available.
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Why they don't just open up for non-bumi since there so many left. The government should know if BUMI not afford to buy then open for those who afford. doh.gif
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QUOTE(ericong77 @ Aug 10 2009, 08:06 AM)
I don't think so, last time I went to PNB and asked one of their staff, I asked her if my mom sold the asm, can I buy the amount that my mom sold, she told me cannot as there is a waiting list.

BTW, is the AS1M safe to invest, my dad worried it will end up like amanah saham sabah, now only worth 20 cents per unit.
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You could be right, there are many investors that have close realtionship with banks, they will ask the bank tellers to be alert and check the PNB fund system from time to time, as long as there is unit available they will grasp the available units. For your mom case, in order to be sure u can get the sold units from yoru mom, the transaction of transferring from your mom account to your accounts need to do it at the same time, it must be fast enough not to be taken up by others. I do not think they have so called "waiting list" things, if they tell u so, pls get a "black and white " from them and u can use the "black and white" to double confirm with PNB head office. It is unfair for those walk in customers that willing to buy and not fall under the so called "VIP waiting list".

You need to read the AS1M profile before buying it, it is fixed at RM1/unit like other fixed price products of PNB like ASW/ASM/ASD/ASB, since your mom is holding ASM, have u ever seen this fund fall below RM1? AS Sabah is a variable price fund, so it fulatuates in accordance to market performance.


Added on August 10, 2009, 10:17 am
QUOTE(yahiko @ Aug 10 2009, 09:59 AM)
Why they don't just open up for non-bumi since there so many left. The government should know if BUMI not afford to buy then open for those who afford.  doh.gif
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There are some funds that PNB want to keep ONLY for bumi, ASW2020 is one of them, even they are not fully sold they still want to keep for the BUMI investors for their future investment. That is why they come up with AS1M for other races to buy.

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ASB has a RM200K quota. What about other AS*? Is there a limit?

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