I don't think derive is the word you were planning to use but that doesn't matter. Everything is the work of this secret society? Hmm..that's a very daring claim you have there. You are attributing each and every case to these secret societies. So how does this secret society influence Muslims in Malaysia?

I don't think that is a good argument. It's just like saying, the law of gravity is true because it's more theoretical than people think).

The question should not be limited to a certain religion or a certain believer but you must ask it yourself what influence it does it yourself, your belief, your family, your country, your political belief, every single event that occurred in you and your surrounding (educational system, financial, economical, etc). Why powerful leaders shouting outloud globalisation? aka novus ordo sclorum? What disaster ppl have been talking about in the year of 2012? Actual world turmoil in terms of economic? world natural disasters? etc?. Where does democracy, communism, athesim coming from? Are they choices made for you to make you think that you have a choice? And if i said the current pope now is one of them what's you're gonna do?

This post has been edited by 4g15p: Aug 4 2009, 04:45 PM

Hmm..for me I don't think I have been affected by these people or my believe or my family. I also can't think of how the Illuminati or Freemason has influenced the Malaysian government. I've heard that some sultans used to be members of the Freemason but I don't think any of the current sultans are members. Novus ordo seclorum (a.k.a New Order of the Ages) might not necessarily be globalisation. I think the 2012 is a Mayan prophecy so I think that's a separate conspiracy. The idea of Democracy came from ancient Greece, as far as I know Communism in it's presence form was started by Karl Marx, Atheism is just believing that God does not exist and I believe that this can be as early as the dawn on humanity. All these are different philosophical ideas, and there are plenty of other -ism if you want me to name them. What choices? The foundation of these knowledge? I'm quite sure smart people existed before the 20th century, and thought of these ideas. Just like the people born after us would study what we think and did in this century. The current pope is one of who?

This post has been edited by Thinkingfox: Aug 4 2009, 05:07 PM

Average men are usually blinded by their rationality and self-denial.
Both prevents thinking.

Interested people can read books of Gary Allens(None Dare Call it Conspiracy), Eustace Mullins and Emmanuel Josephson ( The Rockefeller File)

This post has been edited by darksider: Aug 4 2009, 08:27 PM

Hmm...that was what i think too, but don't you think that's possibility what this so-called secret society/freemason/illuminaties want us to believe in? Who wrote those things neway? i.e. Holocaust, yeah in history it was written that the jews was massacred in massive numbers by nazis, but did you dig it up a bit further the whole genocide thing was an initial plan for the jews through Rothchilds (i believe this family is still the utmost richest and powerfull in this world, no Bill Gates and the kinds) to claim establishment of Jews' national/country within Palestine with the help of British through Balfour decree? Why in the first place Palestine? Why not a United States? Why not France? Why not Australia? Why not South America? Africa? Why it has to be Palestine? The answer is simple, they are preparing for their false-Messiah/anti-christ/dajjal al-masih to bethroned as their "true God" and this "God" has one eye only just as all-seeing eye on top of pyramid in us dollar bill. And who's the founder of communism? yes indeed as your answer, no one else than freemason Karl Marx and he is a 32nd degree freemason, a member of german grand orient lodge, yeah he's an atheism and his view is based on evolution theory which was propounded by Darwin's father Erasmus Darwin. So seeing all about evolution of this and that in this very forum (PhD), a "denial" of God existence (in different thread) by materialize Him into our definition and boundary, philosophical topics, etc really makes me think, is lowyat already "invaded" by secret society minions? wooow..... ....unless we are the non-believer of the secret society's belief, yeah we bound to be punish in their version of "hell"....as if.... Owh....so pope is one of who again? hehehe living in 20th century with alotsa ism been created and thrown in bombastic words, i believe a simple google won't hurt.....iye....

so , people who believe in freemason think themselves are superior than the average joe , am I right?

If Jews can control the US, then can the Illuminati/Freemason control the rest of the world, eg.China? China owns trillions of USD, there's some other big nations in the waking such as Russia, India, bla3..

now USA already collapse following the Jews economic style (as claimed by PAS leaders, they said Yahudi punca segala2nya.)

there are notable amount of antisemitic in US and Europe, needless to say the muslim world, can these little Jewish association take over the world huh.. so simple?

anyway, FYI the iluminati members - rockefeller rothschild billgates and <insert-some-richass-jews-name>

dun ask me for source .. coz google is over there ----->

i sudah lama didnt read so i also forget where i found it dy...

i think the best to start with is thru MJ's death conspiracy la.. cuz it will lead u to CIA, then to them.

So you're saying that the holocaust did not happen and that they are lying about the 6 million people who died? Jews were from the Middle East, weren't they? There are even stories from the al-Quran about where the ancient Jews were from. The story of Karl Marx as a freemason is part of the conspiracy therefore it cannot be used as evidence to proof the theory.

Btw, the reason why I post questions is not because I support them (if they do exist and do what you the theory claims). It's just that I feel some of the arguments used in trying to convince people about their activities do not convince me. It sounds more like some anti-Jew and anti-West religious doctrine.

Another thing I don't get is that the co-founder of Google is a Jew. Since you believe the Western Media is controlled by this group of evil Jews (secret society/freemason/illuminaties etc.), why do ask people to Google for information?

This post has been edited by Thinkingfox: Aug 5 2009, 12:51 AM

Before you guys go any further or reject this knowledge, watch this video FIRST and do come back...

http://www.arrivals.technocrazed.com/episo...eedom-unplugged

I've did some research regarding 'The Arrival' theory before this.
It does make sense actually, cause since Adam first came to earth, Lucifer already pleaded to God to give him a chance so that he can take as many souls to accompany him to hell after the day of Armageddon.

And we can see now how humans behave. Morality is no more, instead, materialism is the main purpose of life. Hmm.., so sad..

it does not matter if you say "it make sense" because the non-believer will always make sense on what they seen and what they were told to... so i think this thought-provoking video should set the people's mindset once and for all..

it's a double edge sword i think......Musa a.s./Moses(peace be upon him) grown and raised up by Pharoah's wife in very own castle (under Pharaoh's nose) during the extermination of new born baby campaign made by the king himself after he dreamt about his power and kingdom toppled down by a man born among the Jews....which turn out to be his own adopted child....Musa a.s./Moses (peach be upon him)....So don't you think a weapon which is developed by the them could possibly a weapon to be used against them back?

So they are planning something and God is planning something too, but God's plan triumph all.....enuff said...

The arrivals is a mindcontrol film to tell the "truth", believe or not to believe is up to u.. juz like the 9.11 is an inside job. will u go n read the truth? even if u does it wont change anything.

Why it won't change anything? When people know a little about the truth, they will certainly think differently. The problem is that people trust that without a shadow of doubt. But it doesn't really matter. What one has to do has nothing to do with others.

It might not change anything in the global stage, but one of the main reason the director of the series says that it's about changing yourself first, rather than trying to change the world altogether. Then, from yourself, you influence people around you (neighbor, relatives, friends) and then the community and so on..

What u might do after watching the videos is not going to change the world, but how it changes you and what can you do to achieve the ultimate prize of all, the Heaven of the afterlife...

are you so sure about your statement ?

Yeah,these people just love controversies.

There are just heaps of interesting stuff out there,but they prefer some controversies that have almost no relevance to science.

Mods should change the name of this subforum to Controversy Convention.

I just found out something call Self Compacting Concrete.Pretty cool i would say and it's only slightly more expansive than typical concrete.

i go on the internet to research on the new world order and found the chilling revelation on this sinister group of violent middle age dude



This post has been edited by robertngo: Aug 7 2009, 12:51 AM

Hmm, this is an interesting topic.
I hate to can't contribute but this infact is a good read.
As I am 1 who fonds conspiracies, regardless true/false.
Since it is conspiracy, no one knows, unless we are the mastermind ourselves.

Does this NWO has any relation about da vinci code and stuff?
Cost I started to learn about if after da vinci code.
The freemasons/illuminatis/zions and stuff.