hazairi, i genuinely believe this topic is too heavy for forumers like lowyat to really think deep enough to just understand the surface of this subject..

not worthy of a  topic in here....

that's a good point chezzball..

If ppl don't completely believe in this subject, it doesn't matter because it can sometimes related to your religious belief, but it does not hurt just to have an understanding of this critical yet sensitive subject and probably gain some knowledge out of it, maybe a different angle of thinking about the world we live today...

in my opinion after considerable study into this subject (although not intensive), i believe their main objective is to deceive the believers into the unbelievers...

basically everything that derives us from practising our religious customs are the works of this secret societies and it's associates so we could be misled from our main objective to our religion..

For me, as a Muslim, the illuminati (secret societies & satan) would want to misled us so we could forget our main purpose of living (eg: to devot our life according to Islam's customs), so they could bring with them as many as possible to hell after the end of days. This is all stated in the Quran and Hadith.

BUT, if you watch the videos Conspiritus or other similar sibject, even if the creator of the videos didn't even mention Islam in it, it pretty much leading to the same conclusion. Example, the video said the Illuminati are preparing for 'the coming', that they have prepared a large sum of black coffin. That practically means, in Islam, that 'the coming' is actually the coming of Dajjal Besar (the anti-christ) to misled the entire world. One of the sign of Dajjal is 'it is a one-eyed creature'. Remember, the Illuminati logo is a one-eye over a pyramid. it's even printed on the US dollar..

I strongly suggest you watch the COnspiritus video and othe similar one concerning the subject. I would also like to suggest Zeitgeist Final Edition...

a lot of atheists live normally just like people with religions. according to this opinion of yours, all these people without religions should already be out on a killing spree because they don't have religion telling them that murder is wrong. I believe even without religion telling us stealing is wrong, a human still can know it's wrong just because you won't like it if others did it to you.

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Added on August 4, 2009, 12:32 pm

So these people know for sure that religion (let's say Islam for example) is the truth? I understand satan would try to misled us as he is already doomed but these humans, these Illuminati, you mean they know for sure that Islam is the truth and they are working for satan to get satan more friends in hell in the end when they are human and are not forced into hell. why did they do that? if they know for sure that satan (since they are personally working for him) and their followers (including themselves) will end up in hell, why did they still do it?

i know many people who don't believe in religion or those with religion but do bad because they are not sure that it's really the truth (since there are no proof that god exists and all). but you are saying these guys meet satan himself, know that satan is wrong and Islam is right, FOR SURE, and instead of going to do good (since they know for sure that Islam is true, unlike others who have never seen prove of it like meeting satan) they try to recruit more people to throw in hell along with themself? where is the sense in that?

do tell.

It might not change anything in the global stage, but one of the main reason the director of the series says that it's about changing yourself first, rather than trying to change the world altogether. Then, from yourself, you influence people around you (neighbor, relatives, friends) and then the community and so on..

What u might do after watching the videos is not going to change the world, but how it changes you and what can you do to achieve the ultimate prize of all, the Heaven of the afterlife...