but normally people with chronic diseases are willing to try anything...

Very true.If someone is going to die I'm sure he's going to try any options available including stuffs like these.

Anyway,2000$-3000$ is quite expensive for some scissors and shaving razors.
I'd say,they must be made from one hell of a metal . What are they, Jupiter brand Jupiterium?

Seriously, its really disappointing that he uses Islam as a cover, and very disappointing also to those Muslims who believe blindly to anything. I'm a medical student and also a Muslim, yes, we pray for our patients to heal, but we also HAVE to do necessary things to help them heal. Basically, we can't just rely on blind faith, we also NEED science. Its really sad that some Malaysians are still too narrow-minded, and very gullible to believe anything under the name of religion. We also need knowledge and science to develop ourselves.

and yes, the videos look fake as hell, any medical students/doctors or even nurses can recognize that. Its just unbelievable how gullible some people are,

Ovarian fibroid??!!!

im not a medical practitioner
but i can tell u this surgery is totally fake..
i do believe in miracles..
theres something u cant rely on logics..
you will know it when u experiencing it by yourself..
maybe he can really cure the others by his own method
again..maybe...we cant tell how he could do that
but those video is a fake surgery..
please examine the tissues..
bet u he wont let u do that..

my lecturer..n engineer from india..
do believe in supernatural beings after been here for a year..

if u take a look at his hospital's webpage.. the list of patient's name there are even weird.. urgghh..

I for one, am not gonna believe either TS or the 'scammer' until I have seen proves.

I'm not gonna believe TS because you're in India, if you have not seen this supposedly scammer yourself, get some evidence that he is in fact, scamming people, witness the surgery yourself with every move be analyzed, then you can't argue that he wasn't even doing the surgery to the patient. You can however argue that yes, he was just using simple tools, un-sterilized, he didn't care about proper hygiene and all that medical requirements before surgery.

I'm also not gonna believe in this healer person either because yes, it does look a bit too good to be true.. I've seen/heard miracle stories and I've seen people miraculously heal using alternative healing that even doctors are baffled and science can't explain it but without proves again, it's just a story, which could be made up. Plus with no proper accreditation, no news about him at all (I've not heard of him until I read this thread) then he's just nothing. Based on the videos posted on youtube, it kinda supports the claim that he didn't do the surgery, but replaced them with animal parts or something.. which I found extremely suspicious. Plus the patient didn't feel pain, no scars etc He performed the surgery, removing tumors as if it's too easy, something that can be done by a 3 year old. If he's doing miracle, it would be all over the news right now.

I hope those with tumors who did the surgery, come forward with previous scans of the tumor, and scan after they did the surgery, WITH the support from at least 2 different doctors and testimonial that the tumor is in fact, gone after the surgery.

I wouldn't be quick with judging people. He could be a scam, but he could also be real. God can give 'powers' to whoever he wishes to, but there are some who misuse the name 'Islam' and scam people for the sake of money. If he's really a scam, he will be exposed.

This post has been edited by tokyotenshi: Feb 27 2010, 09:58 AM

Well, just to revive this topic. It seems that he is, still in operation. The law enforcers still did not do anything.

wow,how could i have missed this topic.its really good to see somebody posting about this.ok now i start with the background.i have heard his name about 1 year until now.my father has told me about him because he personally met him when they do"haji" together.my father has told a lot about him to me and sometimes asked me questions about his operations,as i myself is a medical student.

my father has told me that his operation is "bloodless,painless and effective"(and yeah from the way my father told me,obviously that he also believes in this guy).n what raised suspicious in me about this guy is when my father also told that sometimes he doesnt even use knife to remove the organs of the patient.besides he could also cure cancer etc.n i dont want to elaborate further about this since TS has described them very thoroughly.along with the story,he gives the cd that this"doctor"used as promotion for his service.
along with the cd,there are attached booklet on the box.
i took the cd but i only look at the booklet outside.its full of his degree,certificate etc printed on the booklet!!n i say what the...he could scan and published all his certification on the cd booklet?what for?n its obviously from some"islamic"indonesian university that ive never heard of before.there is also certificate of"datukship"which from what i remember its from indonesia(n do indonesia give datukship?i dont know)

other than a surgeon,he is also a silat teacher n have a"bersolek secare islam"thing(i dont know how to describe this,because its more of a class than a product selling).he is promoting all of his sevices on the booklet.there are some pictures of his operation,pictures of him teaching silat,putting a person on glass pieces n let a bike run through the abdomen of the person(n its not him who do it,i dont know y.he just observe from the side).

n the thing that is obviously wrong in his cd booklet is about this"bersolek secare islam"thing.he started 1st with all his bullshitting about"bersolek mengikut sunnah"and all,and at the end of the promotion he attaches 1 of the teaching in this class(maybe as a free promotional services).there he scanned a really old piece of"kromot2"paper which is just able to be read(maybe its from his note when he learnt about this).there he gives the method on what to do in front of your mirror.he said while u touch ur eyes,says "mim"(for mata),to touch nose u say "ha"(for hidung),"mim" and "dal" for other part of the face(i dont want to publish that since some people may do it and i may get"dosa"for that).

if ure a malay,u should know that "mim"ha"mim"dal" is the spelling for Muhammad in arabic.that thing is appropriate since it is a"bersolek secare islam".but as i wrote there,it is "mim"for mata,"ha"for hidung and so on.and i start to think"yaAllah,this is a mentera,n its obviously wrong for a muslim!!".if u still dont get why im thinking of that,its because our prophet Muhammad is from arab.how the hell he knows that mata is start from"mim",hidung is starting from"ha"?this is obviously some malay teachers that started this nonsense!n this is totally prohibited to be followed in islam!!!!

as a conclusion,for those who backed him up about"miracle given by God",alternative medicine etc,u need to know that this person is doing something against Islam.if u say its a miracle from God,i would rather says his unexplained medicine is by black magic.

bertaubatlah wahai saudara2ku.bersama kita basmi golongan2 yang cube menyesatkan agama kita...

This post has been edited by rarap: Apr 3 2010, 07:34 PM

My friend's mom was suffering from batu karang ... so she went to this miracle Dr Raden.
He did his magic ... pulled out the alleged batu karang out ..
My friend asked for the batu karang to bring back home, but the Dr refused. (why??)

Later, my fren brought his mom to the hospital .. Doctors there said .. the batu karang is still there. They decided to operate.
She is now fully healed after the operation at the hospital.

What more proofs you want ?

gosh this is giving Islam a bad name, no wonder people have negative perspective about Islam

honestly, I don't believe this, hopefully the authorities will take action about this soon

the world has gone into such chaos.....

this is why ppl around the world still think us Malaysian are like primitives...

Mata in arabic is Ainun/Ain

Nose/Hidung is Anfun/Anf

NO SUCH THING!

even if there is miracle in Islam medication, there is logical explanation how the treatment works, at least a muslim can understand in their own perspective. If there isn't any, suspicion is inevitable.

Look what happens to JOHARI MANSOR now~

This NEWS is a BLESSING of some sort to all of us, this SCOUNDREL GOT WHAT HE DESERVED for cheating people, I am waiting for other people to file complaint against this man for his "SURGICAL SCAM".

He was convicted before and he is convicted again~ Truly he is a CRIMINAL.

Read thoroughly the following news and rejoice:





Other similar story from other newspapers:

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y...ni&pg=bt_21.htm
http://www.kosmo.com.my/kosmo/content.asp?...ra&pg=ne_04.htm



I am thoroughly happy with this news. He got what is coming to him. Everyone Rejoice~!

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Added on June 18, 2010, 12:28 am



Reply from one of JOHARI MANSOR's son:


*Forum Moderators have deleted the above reply by "ketuekampong" while I was preparing my reply against it, most likely due to the racism and abusive language that he used, my thanks to the ever vigilant moderators



Nonetheless, the following is my reply:

It seems that this topic has finally got through to the Raden's (Johari) family.

Such horrible use of English language, embarrassing really...

I quote what he wrote:

As all of you can see from the above reply given by ketuekampong @ RADEN MOHD MUSZAMIR son of RADEN JOHARI MANSOR, it somewhat reflects the level of education that he has or was provided to him, which is rather ironic when his own father claims to be a "PROFESSOR", a "DATO'" and even a "DOCTOR". As if all of us (Doctors, Nurses, Med.students, people who thinks logically without relying on blind faith) are imbeciles.

Here he is, a 19 year old boy:



http://www.facebook.com/amer.raden.dhj
http://www.myspace.com/master_satisfaction

As much as I want to argue with a person such as this boy, it would seem pointless and a waste of my time. Why? just look at his reply above and assess weather one such as him is worth arguing with. I have given my arguments regarding this SCAM SURGERY in the previous posts in this topic and some members have put forth the Islamic point of view as well, he can read those and reply to those arguments if he wish.

Regarding the Malaysian Medical Council (MMC), here is what being stated in the MEDICAL ACT 1971 about unregistered individuals that claims to be a "DOCTOR" and practices "MEDICINE AND SURGERY" without a license/registration.

Based on the Medical Act 1971, Part-V: General, under section 32: Offenses. It states:
and I quote myself:



Insults aside, he has "invited" me and all of us here to see his father's"MIRACLE SURGERY (SCAM)" in address stated in the first page of this topic.

I am VERY HAPPY that he did and I am more than willing to come, most likely I'll have some of my fellow friends (REAL Medical Doctors) that have similar interest in this matter to tag along with me.

I will quote his name to the Keraton staff when I come to visit, however, let it be known that I will not be able to come in the near future since I have to remain in India for the next 1.5+ years but NEVER assume that I will not be coming to this KERATON since it is of GREAT INTEREST to ME.

I've came across this interesting article from the magazine DEWAN MASYARAKAT by DBP, JULY 2009, it states:



Finally, again, I leave it to all of you, dear forumers to judge for yourself between the "OPEN HEART SURGERY" by JOHARI MANSOR and REAL CARDIOTHORACIC SURGEONS:

OPEN HEART SURGERY - by "Dr" JOHARI MANSOR


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCgogKE22y0



OPEN HEART SURGERY - by REAL CARDIOTHORACIC SURGERONS



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM4u2PXyBpg

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Mar 7 2011, 03:03 AM

Well I Would Love To see his father's"MIRACLE SURGERY" live.
from the video i really sure that it was fake...
even though the patient feels good after the treatment i'm sure it was just a placebo effect

why should i embarrased..?yeah i know my english is bad..but im still not dumb like u..my dad doing this business almost 30 years old..still steady n still many customers want see my dad...y are u jealous..?i dare u just come here and see with your eyes..dont always hoo-haa hoohaa only =) where are u know..?just come here la and i cant wait want record your face seeing my father do surgery infront of you =) when you want to come..?look..i see your comment said you in india..?ok i wait you come here =) ..if u all hear only one side that not make a sense..just come and see with your eyes..yeah that my myspace and fb..why..?you want do me popular or what..?hihihi thanks anyway..then add me =) "kid"

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Added on June 18, 2010, 3:41 amoh you sure is a FAKE like you said..?

then see with your eyes..come sentol.. =)

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Added on June 18, 2010, 3:58 ami know my father was doing right..for help people..and you just like "jealous" n cant do what my father do..many all of them patient is now already fully healed..many of ppl already see infront there eyes..my father give them all record because want people know that not a cheat or scam like cybersetaniroojim said..why you always talked like a kid..?just come here and see with your eyes..?is up to you want believe it or not..but you mistake..want make a conclusion without investigate..just come here and investigate your self..if want the truth..if you always hoo-haahoohaa~..if them all dont want do surgery with my dad just nevermind la~coz many of them already trust my dad because my dad is the truth..many video is already record with patient's nearest cousin..not from me or someone else..and many prove of this video is the truth..is up to you want to believe it or not..if u all believe in surgery modern just go to the modern..and dont ruined my family business..cause you all dont know anything because u all only like a kid..just come to sentul and see with your eyes..wasted my time to chit chat with setanirojim u know..?dont wasted your time with your jealousy..wated your time to talk like this..i dare you all just come and see the truth..dont make a conclusion like you all "very genius man" .. weee peace setan..! =)

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Added on June 18, 2010, 4:14 amyou want to compare with modern and traditional..?sure you just like dr insane..i dont know want to call u a low brain or what..haizzz...only wasted your time with MMC blah blah blah~like kesha sing u know..?if your dad got sick setan...just come to my dad..i give you low price or free only.. =) peace setan..haizz..talk with setan is hard..just like im talk with a kid..always want win without investigate..hihihihi..anyway kid..21/6 you going school or not..?i hope you not truancy =) u need more learn kid..try to learn investigate 1st then make a conclusion..not before investigate you already chop my dad is a scam..?cheat..?or something else..?where are u from..?sipitang sabah..?sabah also got my father branch..heeee...u know what..?im dont want stop comment in your forum until you come here and investigate your self..and im not scared to chat in here..in public..because i know my father more than you know and more than anyone else know..think before u do this topic =) kid..peace setanirojim =)

This post has been edited by ketuekampong: Jun 18 2010, 04:15 AM

thanx 4 d further description.dats y i said its totally malay-borne practice.

to ketuekampong,dont b so mad boy.dont act like a kid.TS say many thinks and he provided"evidences".n u fight him back by giving faulty words?if u know dat ur father is right,then counter his evidences.proof dat his evidence is wrong.not simply by saying"come to sentul n watch".in dis era(if ure in it), people no longer believe in wut called"seeing is believing".to believe,we require evidence n explaination.ur evidence will back u up on wut ure saying.n if u cud provide proves,itll help ur father getting more patients.

u know ur father well,but we dont.n dats y we r not bias.we see the arguments freely.u said dat we hear only 1 side n starts making conclusion,then y dont u let us hear wut is on d other side?so far we only read dirty words from u to TS.n is dat how d other side look like?ure d best person to see from both sides.u have ur own opinion,n u know wut written in dis thread(i assume).then y dun u use ur best view to criticize back TS?

be good n mature boy.its ur time to prove ur father.think dis as opportunity,not as a threat.to stand up for ur father is to tell good things about him,not to show how bad-mouthed his son is.

if were not kaji-ing al-quran,y dun u provide which part of al-quran(or hadis) ur father was referring?at least on d part where i commented.it shud be enough.ill believe ur father is not a scam if ure able to do so friend.dun b angry n write helplessly,but b calm n BANG TS(maybe me) maturely

Thank you TS!!I really appreciate your effort in warning us about this ridiculous fraud.