This is indeed a serious case. Thanks for sharing.

dude this is an alternative medicine.. theres no way to compare with modern medicine..

im muslim and im a medical student.. i know and saw myself a lot of these so called "miracle doctors".. they are not as simple as what u think..

especially if u're a muslim u should know there are a lot of "miracle" stuff that are unexplainable regarding medication.. something we believe, a faith..

most modern medicine only able to slow down the progression of the disease.. they cant stop and fully cure the disease..

but there are plenty of people who went to these kind of alternative medicine, whether islam way, chinese or etc etc had cured.. diabetic foot for example.. in modern medication, the doctors will ask to amputate it..
but some alternative practitioners they can reverse the changes and cure the "dead" foot..

its hard to explain because it is all about faith and how badly u want the disease to be cure..
plus im lacking in knowledge about alternative medication either

whether u want to choose it or u dont.. its all up to you..

if u dont want alternative medicine.. then just ignore it.. why do u want to hoo-haa about it when there are people out there who had cured from it, and believe it

This post has been edited by hyperx: Jul 5 2009, 03:11 PM

You, a claimed-medical student, a student of science, of all people... I would very much like to know where you are studying medicine?

You haven't read the entire argument and watch the entire video clips did you?

What medical student would believe in such practice? I have related this matter to my fellow colleagues and lecturers - They all came with the same conclusion:

- ITS A SCAM -
(go brush up on your anatomy and surgery subjects - if you are a medical student)

Ever heard of Evidence-based medicine and evidence-based treatment? It is the very basic foundation of medicine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence-based_practice

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence-based_medicine

Alternative medicine is where most "Quacks" come from.

This so called PROFESSOR DATO DR RADEN JOHARI MANSOR is NOT EVEN REGISTERED WITH MALAYSIAN MEDICAL COUNCIL more over just look at his "SURGERIES" and compare them with a REAL SURGERY.

Understand that none of the "surgeries" that he performed is real. What did he do?


-Opening the skull with a hammer and a shaving razor, knocking the patient's head with a hammer and plucking the so-called tumor out just like that from the brain.

-Performing a cardiothoracic surgery without even opening the thoracic cavity and taking out the "patient's" heart that is not even the proper size and not even beating? No maintenance of systemic nor pulmonary circulation.

-The patient hardly bleeds? moreover even awake during the entire "procedure"?

-Diagnosing a patient using a spray of unknown liquid? and immediately says that the patient has fibroid?

-No scar, no suturing of the wound, no anesthesia, even the patient's eye is "taped" during the entire "surgery"?

-Conducting a "one-man show" surgery without the proper surgical instruments much less sterility of his "operating theater".


again I ask you, How could you trust this person?


I dare this scammer to perform his "surgery" in front of a panel of surgeons and provide the "tumours, tissues, organs" that he allegedly took out to be examined a pathologist.

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jul 5 2009, 06:58 PM

The first video is amazing. How did he do that?

Remind me to never send any sick people your way if you somehow finish your medical degree.

a friend of mine, his brother had knee surgery done at private hosp b4.. but the doctor accidentally left their i-couldnt-remember-orthopedic-tool inside his leg.. this happened 4-5 years back.

they did scan and they found theres metal inside there..

their family very angry because the doctor want to open back his leg..

they went to malacca to find this man.. we called him ustaz.

he never charged their family anything, basically its free service.. up to the people how much or what they want to give him

he did his "surgery" basically with just moving his fingers and hands.. like somekind of superpower stuff u see on tv.. the patient is awake.. didnt feel anything..

this part really messed up our mind.. especially if youre not a believers and didnto see yourself, me myself its hard to believe either, i did laugh 2gether with my friend when i saw his way of doing surgery...

after 2 hours he did his "surgery", he asked the patient to go back, rest and theres some food he was not allowed to eat or drink for weeks..

after a month, he went to hospital.. did x-ray, the metal is gone.. im speechless

theres no more pain, theres no new scar, theres nothing...

and yeah, i followed my friend to that place in malacca.. i swa it myseld..

so its up to u if u wanna believe it.. i gain nothing from u

but let me ask u, how do you explain that?
there are plenty of modern medicine practitioners out there who also sometimes referred their patient to their well-known alternative medicine practitioners..

i know its hard for modern and alternative to co-exist.. modern are evidence-based.. and alternative usually for believers.. but why couldnt we open up our mind a bit? be outside the box?

i mean theres no harm to take the good aspect of the alternative medicine (when theres proven safe and cure) and combine it with modern practise

and to angrydog, fine, its your decision.. btw, i scored good marks in my exams and my case discussion (short or long case) usually end up with very well from my doctors.. and i didnt come from any crappy medical school..

Sounds like bullshit to me. Natural healing, placebo effect can account for much of so called "miracle cures"
As for the metal plate that is heresay bullshit until investigated by a reliable independent party. Someone is reading his XRays wrong here.

An update:

http://medicine.com.my/wp/?p=7390

Thanks to Palmdoc~

Lets see if MOH responds.

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Added on July 31, 2009, 6:38 amIt has been almost a month, and MOH has not responded to the report I made.
This is just pathetic.

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jul 31 2009, 06:38 AM

this is utter bullshit..seriously, there are no such things! geez, it's not about faith or believing..and all this is just a hearsay, did u go with your friend's brother to the doctor to actually hear him saying that the metal is gone? it's like asking us to believe that someone can actually take out something from our body without us feeling it or any open surgeries?well if it's true then i'm sorry to say, it's worse than aliens invading our planet!

Another quote from one of the uploaded clips, it states:


"This is the rest of the video showing Professor Dato Dr Raden Johari Mansur's miraculous surgeries using just his Faith in Allah and the Islamic Spiritual Healing that has a conventional doctor accusing me of wanting to lead Muslims back to the Stone Age by believing in such healing methods?

I am just asking Dr.Ahmad Farouk Musa to try and explain how does this Professor Dato Dr Raden Johari Mansur perform such amazing open surgeries without any life support systems and modern day operation theater's advanced sophisticated equipments and instruments that we see in inflated costs specialist medical hospitals today?

Professor Dato Dr Raden Johari operates using very basic knifes and scissors that one would find in one's kitchens and the patient is not put under anesthesia?

After surgery, within minutes or hours, the patient is up and about with no visible scars of the surgery! I wish Dr Ahmad would be able to explain that instead of childishly calling me names alike an ignorant peasant instead of being a true blue academic as he identifies himself as? I await a proper reply from the doctor. "

- Mahaguru58

As you all can see, the supporter (Mahaguru58) of this Quack Surgeon don't even realize that he himself is cheated by this so called "Islamic Miracle Healer/surgeon".

Dr.Ahmad Farouk Musa (of Monash School of Medicine, Malaysia) doesn't need to explain anything to such person who obviously failed to see logic. (please read the comment area in the link below for further clarification)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/sear...n&ct=clnk&gl=in

(what am i talking about? click it)


http://www.med.monash.edu.my/About-Us/Dr.-...arouk-Musa.html

I have provided the most likely method that this quack surgeon operates his scam in the first page of this thread.

I am a Muslim myself and I certainly will not blindly follow/believe in such "miracles". God has given us brains in order for us to be able to think logically.

This guy (Mahaguru58) has certainly failed to use it.

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Added on August 21, 2009, 10:56 pm




Indeed it is unfortunate that this Hyperx, one that claims to be a medical student, believed in such things without even trying to make an effort to understand the logic behind them.

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Nov 9 2010, 07:50 AM

even i am not a medical student or any related in medical field...

i agreed on what other forummers saying that he is faking...

how could a person wont die when the heart is taken out? and it does not has any beating...? and he trims it like "trimming" some kind of flowers??

heart sized as i known it will be as big as our palm as asked my grandma..she was a nurse with KL Goverment Hospital during her days..she went into operating theater

thousand of times to assist the doctors in the surgery..

and the mak cik looks like have a bit stomach uh? dont u notice her stomach is way bigger than normal?? i mean izzit he put something on her?

y he keep pulling the surgery cloth every now & then? i've noticed that in the video...



i wonder did he sanitize the scissors? using a razor blade to take out a tumor? and the tumor the way he "cucuk" like cucuk fishball??...


i believe no matter how mireacle is it..i think there is no such way as this video...he shud video b4 he cover the patient with the cloth and after covering..and also perform it

in a goverment hospital with qualified surgeon...

Here is another video of his "surgery", the patient is having her kidney tumour "removed"....



Medical students/Doctors/Surgeons - see how this fraud simply removed the "tumour" from the "kidney", that is not even the right way to approach the kidney.


and another thing, since he is not bothered by sterility of his "operating theater", why bother covering the surgical site to the camera? and furthermore why did he cover it up as if not allowing a better view for the camera?

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Nov 14 2009, 03:35 AM

still no action from authority ?

Alas.... No.

The following news PROVES that HE IS NOT a REGISTERED MEDICAL DOCTOR, he was charged for the possession of controlled medicines.

A registered medical doctor is allowed to posses controlled medicines/poisons for his practice. Johari Mansor obviously is NOT one of them.

Here is an interesting news about Johari Mansor, I quote from the Daily Express (Sabah-based newspaper):


- Published on: Wednesday, October 03, 2007, Daily Express

Source: http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=53096



To Mahaguru58 and other fanatic supporter of Johari Mansor..

Open your EYES and MIND. Think Logically to the evidences put forth to you.

Don't let BLIND FAITH cloud your judgment.

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Nov 16 2009, 06:21 AM

Thanks for the highlight...are you a doctor as well, Topic Starter..

and any of the videos posted in your post freaked me out...Haha

I guess I am not good when come to see a blood and live operation.

LOLs at surgery with only gloves without even surgical gowns!

diagnosed to have fibroid in the ovary???(in the 1st video) never heard of that before...

do proof it scientifically or GTFO.

free bump to let more people know about this scam.

thanks TS for sharing

yeahhh agree wit hyperx!

if u all dont want alternative medicine.. then just ignore it.. why do u want to hoo-haa about it when there are people out there who had cured from it, and believe it. i didnt say i believe it and neither i dont believe it unless i experienced myself.

u cannot stop what others think because we people have our own opinion and no one is dead after the operation so far.

heyy y dont u go to sentul or johor (where pusat rawatan kraton is located) and experience urself either it is fake or not n after that u can tell and evaluate urself. s far s i know he allows people who wants to take a video and this is especially for people who dont believe in such miracle like this. Our Agong Sultan Zainal Abidin himself acknowledge him as his private doctor and even giv him title 'Tan Sri' as many of you would not know.

well me s a Muslim believes miracle do happen and not us who can heal the disease but we just sort of medium between us and God that heal the disease with His permission.

Firstly...

The REASON for "hoo-haa"-ing about this matter is to EDUCATE/WARN the public as to NOT TO FALL PREY to this so-called "MIRACLE SURGERY" which is something I believe you don't give a damn about.

I believe in EVIDENCE-BASED MEDICINE, unless this Johari Mansor can reproduce his cure using his methods on other patients under the observation and documentation of TRUE MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, he is just another swindler preying on the sick and dying using ISLAM as his cover....

Just look at PUSAT RAWATAN CAKRA ALAM... with that self-proclaimed "Ustaz" Arief, a charlatan, a swindler, that uses the term "PERUBATAN ISLAM" as a cover for his scam.



God have given both you and hyperx brain to use, to think LOGICALLY as to what and how such "MIRACLE SURGERY" could have been done. How could one be DEAD when the SURGERY is not even real?

I have even put forth the points as to support my arguments in the previous pages. Can you not think? How come many other people are able to see this and not both of you?

I may not be able to FULLY STOP other peoples' belief regarding this "PUSAT RAWATAN KERATON" but I have laid down the foundation for them to re-consider/re-think about their stand in this matter.

You mentioned that Johari Mansor was awarded the title "Tan Sri" and a private doctor of Sultan Zainal Abidin? Provide proof of this !

I am a Muslim as well, but again, I have to stress that I do not BLINDLY believe in something such as this~!!



Again I have to state the following regarding JOHARI MANSOR unless you have missed them:




1. HE IS NOT A SURGEON/MEDICAL DOCTOR , PRACTICING ANY FORM OF SURGERY WITHOUT PROPER LICENSE AND QUALIFICATION IS AGAINST THE LAW. (HE IS NOT EVEN REGISTERED WITH MALAYSIAN MEDICAL COUNCIL)

2. HE CLAIMS TO BE A PROFESSOR, A DATO' AND A MEDICAL DOCTOR.

3. HE WAS CONVICTED FOR POSSESSING CONTROLLED MEDICINE IS SABAH. (Which proves he IS NOT a registered Medical Doctor)

4. HE PRACTICES FAKE SURGERY WHICH IS EVIDENT FROM THE VIDEO CLIPS. (Browse through the previous arguments as to why I said this)

..... have I not repeated this previously? Please read through the entire thread....

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jan 19 2010, 09:52 AM