Of course you cannot find the news anywhere. It's in my dream.

Sorry couldn't help it. Eating too much french fries lately. Made me having nice dreams every night. Benzema!!!

You said we shouldn't discount Ronaldo's contributions when comparing them with Nani's and Berbs. He's left and his set pieces have gone. So someone will get the goals Ronaldo has gotten us in the past. And to compare the number of goals, I don't see how you can compare them when 1 has X number of opportunities more than others. : /

It was more than just Beck's leaving that led to a barren spell. Besides, it could also be argued that our success was not just attributable to quality signings, but time given to those signings to develop. Look what constant games did for Ronaldo's development? Look what it did to Fletcher and Carrick's development? We had no choice but to play them no matter how frustrating Ronaldo was because we had no one else. It made him mature and a better player (this after fans were calling for his head after Stamp-gate). This could be Nani's season. If not, perhaps we'd send him off after the World Cup, I don't know. I'd just rather try current options before looking at alternatives.

You mentioned Carrick, Rooney and Tevez as quality signings that stood up but still ask for new signings in midfield after we've signed Nani, Anderson, Tosic, Ljalic and Possebon? The earlier two are as quality as Rooney when he first came in. The two cost a combined 30 million? Nani and Anderson DO NEED GAMES to develop. There's no two ways about it. Moreover, those signings were different from signings that you seem to desire. We needed that boost. We MAY not need this with Nani and Anderson available.

Quality players DO NOT guarantee results. The signing must be a fit for both club and player. Player must want to play for the club and the club must want the player. One of the reasons why I'll stick by Berbs thick and thin is because he WANTS to play for us. He may look like he doesn't give an eff but from interviews from himself and the gaffer, he gives an eff. Not sure if Benzema or Ribery will do likewise. If we were to sign Benzema only because Lyon want to cash in on the cash, he'd f*** off to Madrid next year and perform abysmally.

Veron, Sheva - quality but FAILED.

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Added on June 21, 2009, 12:23 amFirstly, you mentioned quality signings guarantee success. You didn't say at United. But in any case, Veron was a player who has already made it in football before coming over. The other players (Rooney, Ronaldo, Ferdinand) were world class AFTER they came here. There's a difference. So actually, how many world class players have we signed under SAF?

Barthez - flopped
Veron - flopped (no two ways, we bit the hands of Chelsea the moment the offer came in).
Berbatov - pending

We may have broken the bank for Rooney and Ferdinand but they were no where near world class when they came here.

This post has been edited by kobe8byrant: Jun 21 2009, 12:34 AM

goodbye carlos..welcome mercedes benz..

Well this argument could go on forever and I think I've come out with a conclusion that we both share different policies either way, it'll work in United, been proven in the past. All in all, my point is we can't just replace whatever Ronaldo and Tevez has done with just the current team in the following season. In the next 3 years maybe but I highly doubt that we can do it next season. When Cantona and Becks left us, we went trophyless the following season. This is something we need to learn, Fergie at least. When you lose a player like Ronaldo, you don't just stick to the current team hoping that they'll do the job instantly. We still have players who are developing and they'll probably ripe in a few years time. In the mean time, we need to have well established players too for the current situation, and that's where my point stands be it for Benzema, Ribery, Valencia, whatever, we need quality players. Nice talking to you, going to bed now.

Last point before I hit the sack as well:

1) This is by far the strongest squad we've assembled ever. The balance between youth and experience is perfect. We have up to three players in each position-something that has never been achieved at United in recent memory.

Ronaldo's departure? Nani, Tosic, Park, Welbeck [whom Fergie tipped for 2010 WC squad so you know he'll play next season ]

Tevez's departure? He was not his usual self last season so it wasn't that big a loss. He scored vital goals but Berbs will improve, Welbeck can step up and ideally a new striker will be good but will not be disastrous if we didn't get one. Macheda could feature even more next season.

2) We already have established players. Playing for another club in France or Germany, Nani will have similar stats to Ribery. Not as effective and potent but development comes with games and time. We may not win anything next season but over the long run, we'd be better off with Nani and Anderson than spending tons of money which guarantee nuts. Mind you, the season Barca signed Henry, they won f*** all. It was the season after that they won all. Quality signings require time even for the CURRENT situation. I do agree we need 1 signing. If it's Valencia, it won't be Benzema. If it's a striker, it won't be Benzema and it won't be a lot of money involved.

Likewise.

night.

This post has been edited by kobe8byrant: Jun 21 2009, 01:17 AM

@ kobe,
i'm backing Berba up.. I believe this season he has proven his class and quality... just need to work harder but i can see improvement from him when during the end of the season, he often tracks back to defend..

Although u're kinda right to consider him as pending because it has only been one season..
so lets sit back and see what's he made of next season

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p/s: I dont get anything out of this deal if it happens! Plainly to help you all support MU....

Ohh mai is benzema really joining us, i would print his name on the new jersey im buying soon

We have the best squad in years. Quality 1st 11, quality covers for each position. Have a mix of youth, experience and players coming into/already their prime. Almost perfect. We will lose Ronaldo, and looks like Tevez as well. Ronaldo need replacing IMO. I hope for a Ribery to play on one side, with Nani cementing his place on the other side. With Park and Tosic as covers. Center of midfield would be fine with Ando, Carrick and Fletcher able to match against any midfield. With Hargreaves, Scholes, Giggs and the youngsters providing backup. People talk about Scholes fading and arguing we need to replace him to match up with other top midfields, but IMO last 3 seasons we've done better without him in the side against those teams. Sure the middle of the park look lacking a bit against the other top team's midfield, but play any 3 of those first four, they would match any midfield as shown the last 3 seasons.

Rooney and Berba will score more I bet now Ronaldo's gone. The others would too with us changing the way we play to suit the players we have rather than focusing on Ronaldo getting on the end of things. Tevez is easily replaceable. 19+15 goals last 2 seasons ain't that much. Berba could easily surpass that himself and if we bring in a new striker, along with Macheda and Welbeck would easily get that 15 goals if given similar minutes. Nani will score around 10 if given regular starts. That new winger and the other midfielders will chip in a few. If we get back to something like in the 06/07 season, we would be far more dangerous that we've been last 2 seasons.

^ We might, but let's just see who SAF brings in, hopefully not for added lulz but for added firepowah.

I think who we sign will have an impact on where Rooney plays. Sign a striker, Rooney out wide. Sign a Valencia, Rooney plays up top.

Thank u Carlitos. Bring in Benzema please.

no more argies plss...

i sensed "PANICK" in M.U.S.T

i'm having a strange feeling that we might revert to the very conventional 4-4-2 formation with wingers flying down the flanks providing crosses into the box, based on the signings these couple of years. berba, nani, tosic, A.Valencia.

another chance for MANUCHO to shine!!!

Oh please. I want Rooney on Central role. He is most dangerous on that role. Bring back his killer instincts!

so finally Tevez decide to move out eh

if he move to ski, i dont see his future improving with Anelka and drogba ahead and kalou next in the list

This post has been edited by nizamhameed: Jun 21 2009, 10:42 AM

hope u guys dont hate him..

This post has been edited by zeronehza: Jun 21 2009, 10:44 AM

yeah right...

Less than a month away huh? Can't wait for that.

Real have been on my #1 hate list since the last wave of Galacticos (Zidane etc) so of course I don't want them to win anything but I just hope that he does prove that he is better than Messi to all the Messishippers.