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Business The Truth about Actuarial Science, It is not only about the Math

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LightningFist
post Jan 3 2013, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(adewhite @ Jan 3 2013, 02:44 PM)
Did a research recently and found only few Universities in the UK has 8 out of 9 papers exempted (Core Technical) and they are Heriot-Watt University (BSc in Actuarial Science), Queen's University Belfast (BSc in Actuarial Science and Risk Management), Cass Business School (City Uni) - BSc in Actuarial Science, University of Kent (BSc in Actuarial Science), University of Southampton (BSc in Mathematics with Actuarial Science and BSc Social Sciences in Economics and Actuarial Science).
In fact LSE - BSc in Actuarial Science only offers 7 out of 9 papers exempted and Warwick University, you need to complete their Master programme in order to get 7 out of 9 papers exempted.

So, student must choose carefully especially the courses and Universities in the UK when it comes to Actuarial studies.
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FYI CT9 is not the same type of written exam as the first 8. The crucial thing is CA1. That I think can only be found at Irish schools (undergrad), or graduate (or AU Honours) Actuarial degrees. But it is a lot of money.

Not unusual that it is that way at Warwick University since they merely have an Actuarial concentration. Not a straight Actuarial degree.

The strange thing is the schools (teaching Act Sci) without quite as many CT exemptions. Because why do an Actuarial degree (which not many people understand) if not to focus heavily on Actuarial material...

There's is also the implication of exemptions... they replace exams and help lead to qualification, but they are no substitute for work experience and practical skills... so a fresh grad with half the exams done isn't necessarily better off even in the Actuarial field vs a fresh grad without many exam passes but who steadily completes them. Maybe because firms think these fresh grads expect more pay with exemptions (because normally exam passes increases pay) and prefer to hire others.
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post Jan 3 2013, 10:27 PM

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in UiTM how many papers were exempted ?
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post Jan 3 2013, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Dec 23 2012, 12:29 PM)
Yeah, I was wondering about access and logistics too. Several thousand AUD for each of the four final part Australian exams. And each is scheduled to be 15 weeks long. Though they claim to have exam offices/centres in KL, Singapore, Hong Kong too. Anyway any face-to-face is probably in Sydney, if it isn't the web based stuff.

I'm aware the closest place for the UK one is Singapore's SMU. Which is fairly close I suppose, given the exams aren't taken so frequently, just twice a year at most.

Wasn't aware that Australia's was comparably more expensive, or that SOA had more frequent exams.

Thanks for enlightening me. Could I ask some straightforward questions:

1. How frequently can you take SOA exams, and how many times are you allowed to repeat for fails (and what happens - consequences - if you do)?

2. Do you mind telling me where you are working (type of firm and country) and where you plan to work after qualifying?
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for ques 1, you can take soa exams many times until u pass it. for those under student discount program, if u fail more than 3 times, the fourth time you will need to pay full amount.

QUOTE(doublezul @ Jan 3 2013, 10:27 PM)
in UiTM how many papers were exempted ?
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i dont think any malaysia uni have exam exemption, expect vee

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No Malaysian school gets any direct CT exemptions.

The maximum allowable exemptions for any school are the 3 SOA/CAS VEEs, which correspond to CT2 and CT7 and part of CT6.


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post Feb 10 2013, 03:21 PM

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Now private uni only got UTAR, Sunway Uni, UCSI offer Actuarial Science Degree.
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post Feb 20 2013, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(monkeyseemonkeydo @ May 23 2009, 07:04 AM)
I believe that people are doing Actuarial Science for the wrong reasons. I hope that this post will actually shatter the disillusionment that people have. Don’t get me wrong, I am not trying to discourage people to pursue this challenging course, its challenge being its ultimate reward. However, it is disheartening to see so many people get into this course and ending up not being qualified actuaries, because they fail to understand what this course is all about.
First and foremost, my qualifications: I have wanted to do Actuarial Science since I was in Form 4. In college, I did my research and I have looked at the qualifications provided in the UK, US, Australia and Malaysia. I have now finished my final year in Actuarial Science in the UK. I have interned in an insurance company in Malaysia as well as in my current location. And I have been in your shoes before.

To get the ball rolling, here are some misconceptions that need to be cleared up:

1. I want to do Actuarial Science because I like Math.
This is the biggest misconception that people have about Actuarial Science. In actual fact, a good knowledge of Mathematics is necessary, but a great knowledge is not. In the UK, the first 8 professional papers are somewhat Maths-based, but the tougher papers at the end are all written papers, which require a good command of English, a good knowledge of the insurance industry and good critical thinking skills. Throughout my course, the most difficult branch of Maths we did was Calculus and Linear Algebra, and that is not saying much. When you do start working, you will realise that the only Math you need are mostly addition and subtraction. Computer Programming will be the most important skill you will ever need. And to all of those who says that they need Further Math in their A-Levels, I did Math, Economics and Law. If you like Math, do a Mathematics degree.

2. I want to do Actuarial Science because the pay is good.
True, we have one of the highest starting salaries in the business world. Not by much though. The thing is, a qualified actuary does earn a lot. But to get that qualification, one has to pass professional papers, and those are not easy by a mile. The average time it takes to pass all your papers in Malaysia is around 6 years, depending on how good you are. (Some do take more than 10 years) And truth be told, all other professions will be able to earn a satisfactory remuneration within 10 years. If you want the money, go into Investment Banking. In a magazine which I have read, in business, while all other financial workers are paying off their mortgage for their first house, Investment Bankers are buying their second home.

3. I can pass all my professional exams if I work hard enough.
I want to believe this. I really do want to believe this. But with only 50 qualified actuaries in Malaysia, doesn’t it make you doubt that the only reason people are failing is because of a lack of effort? Studying is easy enough. Working is easy enough. Studying while working is not. While I was working in Malaysia, a colleague of mine works from 9 to 7 everyday, if he is lucky. On his way to and back from work, he studies on the LRT. If there is overtime, he will need to stay back and continue working. On weekends, he studies. At night, after being thoroughly exhausted at work, he studies. And while doing all these, he needs to find time for his girlfriend, family and friends. Now, ask yourself this: can you picture yourself doing that for a year? 3 years? 10 years?

I am really glad I chose this course. I know I would spend half my time working staring in a computer at spreadsheets. I know it will be a hard few years in front of me. I also know that I want nothing more than to qualify as a professional actuary, as I do love what I do very much. But I wished I knew what I was in for before I made the decision. And I do hope that people who read this will have the ability to make an informed decision about the course that is Actuarial Science.
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i have read through and what you are saying makes much sense but now which some help from you.really interest in being an actuary and i am more convinced now.have my bachelor degree in curriculum studies/mathematics. given that i that i did not do all the progam of mathematics degree what should be my next step in moving towards being an actuary.


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post Feb 25 2013, 10:59 PM

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Hi... I'm glad I came across your forum, it's very informative =) I'll be signing up for an Actuarial Studies undergrad course soon (I hope I'll like it XD)... any other tips for a newcomer to the world of Actuarial Science and uni life in general?
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QUOTE(Ariea @ Feb 25 2013, 10:59 PM)
Hi... I'm glad I came across your forum, it's very informative =) I'll be signing up for an Actuarial Studies undergrad course soon (I hope I'll like it XD)... any other tips for a newcomer to the world of Actuarial Science and uni life in general?
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where do you study Actuarial Science?
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QUOTE(jerryhao @ Feb 26 2013, 11:13 PM)
where do you study Actuarial Science?
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Sunway Uni... I'll be starting at the end of this month =)
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QUOTE(Ariea @ Mar 8 2013, 09:54 PM)
Sunway Uni... I'll be starting at the end of this month =)
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ohoh
i still consider between sunway and UTAR

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post Mar 10 2013, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(jerryhao @ Mar 10 2013, 04:29 PM)
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i still consider between sunway and UTAR
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I see~ Well in any case, good luck =)

Btw, are actuarial science courses generally heavy on assignments/projects? Or are they more exam based? Also, what kind of software will I be using (aside from excel)? I am asking because I'm looking to get a new laptop and I want to get one that meets the requirements for my course...
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QUOTE(Ariea @ Mar 10 2013, 10:30 PM)
I see~ Well in any case, good luck =)

Btw, are actuarial science courses generally heavy on assignments/projects? Or are they more exam based? Also, what kind of software will I be using (aside from excel)? I am asking because I'm looking to get a new laptop and I want to get one that meets the requirements for my course...
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depends on your lecturer.
There is no prescribed standard.
but most content in an actuarial program will likely have assessments that are heavily exam-weighted.
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QUOTE(Ariea @ Mar 10 2013, 10:30 PM)
I see~ Well in any case, good luck =)

Btw, are actuarial science courses generally heavy on assignments/projects? Or are they more exam based? Also, what kind of software will I be using (aside from excel)? I am asking because I'm looking to get a new laptop and I want to get one that meets the requirements for my course...
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i also not sure about the software
but i know the AS is exam based just like ACCA
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QUOTE(jerryhao @ Mar 11 2013, 02:09 AM)
i also not sure about the software
but i know the AS is exam based just like ACCA
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Thanks =)
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QUOTE(Ariea @ Mar 10 2013, 10:30 PM)
I see~ Well in any case, good luck =)

Btw, are actuarial science courses generally heavy on assignments/projects? Or are they more exam based? Also, what kind of software will I be using (aside from excel)? I am asking because I'm looking to get a new laptop and I want to get one that meets the requirements for my course...
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Local or overseas?
But I believe it will be exam-based nevertheless.
For studying, actuarial students don't use much programs. For work though, usually 2 key programs are used - Prophet/Axis and Excel.
Local uni tends to provide programming class such as C, VBA as well, which is useful for work.
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Do u guys heard the FRM (financial risk manager) professional certificate?
How was the prospect when getting this qualification.
I'm plan to make a changes in my career.
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QUOTE(steven1107 @ Mar 14 2013, 09:25 PM)
Do u guys heard the FRM (financial risk manager) professional certificate?
How was the prospect when getting this qualification.
I'm plan to make a changes in my career.
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Are you talking bout CERA, ERM, or other financial risk management courses?
If it's CERA you're talking about, better off taking ERM. Anyways, Actuarial's value in Malaysia is only in the insurance industry.. But it doesn't really matter which track you take as long as you are a qualified actuary.
If you're talking bout other FRM, then here's a wrong place to ask.
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Yes. I'm talking about the financial risk management course. I'm plan to take the professional course. How would u rating the FRM!

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