Err.. I want to put a LOL here but not sure if serius..

If i love listening to Music i'll flock to where it interest me. For example i'd rather care when Yuna produces an album rather than Saleh Yakob. Again by your reasoning i should be shouting huha support for my brother who sings in the toilet because its SINGING rite? I don give two cents on wether Yuna is malaysian or indian. I support cause i like good music.

Same in point, I support united cause i love the club. Giggsy owning Ashley Young, Vidic scoring a howler with Rooney's first goal makes my day because its good football.

By your logic If i'm passionate bout good food i will eat food no matter how awfull and what its made of? Flawwed logic there don't you think? Using your logic here. As for watching i also watch Spurs and occasionally Sunderland matches if its on for Welbeck.

And i do play football every now and if you take your stories from Goal.com, that's not much a thing really. Their like the Mangga or URTV of football u know. From your explanation i can see you think theres a difference but no. People are passionate on something cause they gain enjoyment from it. Its a two way street. Nobody reads an article in the internet unless they need to or gain enjoyment from it or have an attachment to it.

This post has been edited by Funkypeanuts: Feb 3 2011, 05:11 PM

finally .. someone from the other side who understand what i talking about... at least seem to be.... if you cannot avoid beeing a glory-hunter because it suits your live style better ... and sacrificing youself for your people is too much of a hassle... then do accept it and move on....

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i dont have to asnwer this arguement because i constantly and repetetively say that i have no problem with people 'using' foreign football like i use international product. i also 'use' foreign football by watching them play and learning from them. But it doesnt mean i give my allegiance or supporting them.

all of my arguements are about supporting as in giving your loyalty and allegiance. not using. if you want to make the arguement otherwise, or if you have trouble differenting those 2, dont attribute me to it as it is out of context from my arguement.

IF it is about 'using' i use all foreign football, local football, local product and foreign product. There is nothing to compare between them.

and for the record, if i watch international movie, it does not take it away from local movies because i also watch local movies as well...



My guess it is because of the feeling of superiority because the team you support are glamour and favourite to win most fooball matches week in week out and gurantee of good quality football.



not because united are glamour and favourite to win most fooball matches week in week out and gurantee of good quality football ? lets say Cantona stayed at Leeds and they sucks and get relegated... would you support Leeds?



i never say glory-hunters are not passionate and loyal to their adopted club. On the contarary, some of the things you guys do are pretty good. We need a lot of that in our side too. I describe the sacrifices of ultras not to compare with you. it was meant to compare passion of football supporting to product users and movie goers which you use as an analogy which is out of context.



good stuff. i can only wish football fans in Malaysia will have the same passion for the teams that represents them.

Again. My arguement is not about passion.

for the record, i dont think one is a glory-hunter if he support ANY CLUB, local or foreign, if he does it due to any non-footballing attachment.

any kind of these stuff that you might want to share from your experience?

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Feb 3 2011, 10:56 PM

How sure are you he meant Cantona? It could be Obertan for all we know.

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not because united are glamour and favourite to win most fooball matches week in week out and gurantee of good quality football ? lets say Cantona stayed at Leeds and they sucks and get relegated... would you support Leeds?


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How sure are you he meant Cantona? It could be Obertan for all we know.

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what i can say is 10,000 organized self-initiated pressure group is much better to force change than 10,000 empty seats.

all of recent vibe of imprrovement that we see is all self initated.

our stadium has been empty for years now and i dont see any good can be brought from that. Man U and Liverpool fans never leave the stadium now do they...

you have a lot of media connections... surely there are creative things you can do that necessasirly jeorpadize your job... hendak seribu daya orang kata... yang penting never give up on our team...

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Feb 3 2011, 11:54 PM

Sorry, I don't see what gives you the right to think your opinion is the most underlined one in this. Sounds very Yukieliow that, if you will. Do accept it and move on?? Would be the thing to do if it's determined that everything you said it's right would it?? Thing is, plenty of people thing you aren't so no, don't think "people will accept it and move on". Just like that list you or someone else had of "how to not be a glory hunter, steps to success!!!", which IMO is not yours to determine anyways.



And how is it any different to those who regularly watch local footy as well?? Like I say, I'm in no way saying I'm one of those, I used to but just the occassional game here and there and there now with the reasons why I've already stated. But there is plenty of people who do.

And if your reasoning of "and for the record, if i watch international movie, it does not take it away from local movies because i also watch local movies as well.." can wash, how is it any difference then those who support international footy but do local one as well?? So can I go, "it's OK that I support United because it doesn't take away from local footy cause I support local one as well?? Pretty convenient ain't it?? Call it repetitive if you want, but if there's a case of twisting arguments to suit your convenience, there is one.


So why I am not switched to Barca now then?? Or Chelski circa 2004??

Feeling of superiority?? Funny...I don't recall telling anyone to kiss my ass or anything because I'm supporting the almighty super team that is Man United..

And there's no such thing as "guaranteed quality football". Remember George Graham's boring, boring Arsenal?? There's still plenty of fans supporting them aren't there?? And you're talking about a United side ,off the top of my head which at one time or another some of the regular first teamers contained a certain Djemba-Djemba, Liam Miller, David Bellion, in recent times of course. At a time where winning against, Chelski was a fairly hard thing to come across. So if I was in it for as you put it...."week in and week out guarantee of good quality football" I would already be supporting the all flashy but no substance Arsenal now would I or Barca?? And if it was for titles, Chelski circa 2004 or glamour..I would have gone for the Galacticos of Real Madrid now wouldn't I?? But where am I now?? Still with United, 19 years and counting.


Moot point, as Cantona was already at United when Le Roi caught my eye. As I pointed out, it was players first for me at that time, which followed thru with me loving United and all things United. So, moot point.



See, there's a difference. I would think that glory hunters would be self explanatory. It's pretty much just 2 words anyways. Glory and hunter. Pretty straightforward really. Someone who follows the titles and ditches the clubs in order for guaranteed success. Same reason why some people support multiple clubs. If one of his club doesn't win, maybe the others will. Simple really.

So for you to label people glory hunter who has backed and stuck with their clubs, irregardless of results and for a prolonged period of time, nah, doesn't fly really.As I pointed out. A glory hunter would have shifted clubs at the slightest hint of trouble or non-success, which for United's case would probably be around 2003 or so or when Le Arse came with their supposed brand of "sexy football" and I personally know 1 friend who turned to Le Arse. And if it's solely for glamor, as you put it, there would be plenty jumping ship to Real Madrid or Chelski, and I know quite a number who did(personally, one) who were signing the likes of Zizou, Figo, Becks, Bald Ronaldo, Shevchenko, Essien, Mutu, Ballack, Crespo, Robben while United were signing the likes of the then very, very unknown Cristiano Ronaldo, the infamous "invisible" Liam Miller. Eric Djemba-Djemba, David Bellion and the then non household names like Nemanja Vidic, Patrice Evra and Park Ji-Sung. There was the occassional "glamor" signing, as you put it of Wayne Rooney and Michael Carrick but mostly has been "non-glamor" signings has it??

Not about passion?? Isn't your argument "when you don't support a locally based club, one that's not in front of you, you don't really have no sense of attachment with the club"?? Sense of attachment would translate to passion really. I could be supporting the school football team behind my house really, but if I have no passion towards them, there wouldn't be any sense of attachment would they hence I wouldn't even bother if they lose or whatsoever?? So how does it not relate to passion???

In order for me to say, start following Selangor religiously again, I would need to have passion towards it wouldn't I? It is my local club, with the stadium possibly nearest to me, but if I have no passion towards the team, there would be no sense of attachment at all, hence I wouldn't even bother.

The girlfriend analogy would probably work in this as well.

Hahaha. And why would one not be a Glory Hunter if he supports a certain club due to a non footballing attachment?? Why would he even be supporting then?? Wouldn't he be doing it for the mere glamor then, be it stature or style of football which as per your translation, is all things glory hunter??? Contradicting really. For the record, IMO at least, these are the sort of people that I prefer to be weeded out of the support for my club. Say if we got to the stadium, bring me a supporter for Timbaktu or the very ends of the earth who shows passion, backs up and would sing their hearts out for the team rather than a casual supporter who does nothing in the stadium but merely takes pictures and oohhhs and ahhhss at every single thing, that's what annoy the regular matchgoers about daytripper or out-of towners really but wouldn't even bother them one bit if you're singing your heart out. Not saying that you can't take pictures, I certainly did when I was there but a be a part of the support as well which I did and no better feeling being a fan of the club, reaching the stadium than to sing with the fans at the stadium.

It could be William Prunier. Or Mikael Silvestre. Always loved those long diagonal balls he has. And no, I don't mean those balls. Keh keh keh...

This post has been edited by air_mood: Feb 4 2011, 02:14 AM

putting two different types of analogies is not fair bro
it's like u're comparing taste of cakes and another story u're talking abt coke vs pepsi.
two different analogies.
btw why everyone seems so defensive on glory hunter? accept it.live with it.it's not a crime.

Absolutely but you also have to consider my reasons for not feeling an affinity. Perhaps you can tell me what the team represents if not the state government? I think that teams like Terengganu and Kelantan have more identity than any other team in Malaysia. You have your own culture and way of life. I can see why you are passionate about your state and I'll never question your loyalty. I've been to Kelantan many times and seen how fanatical they are about local football. I also know how proud East Coast residents are about their home state. I don't feel the same unfortunately, being in Selangor.

Liverpool fans did stay away from Anfield. In he home win against Bolton, just days before Hodgson resigned, only 35,000 fans showed up but you don't need it to be completely empty to make your point. Just like in Malaysia. Not all fans stay away but a lot have over a number of years now.

You say 10,000 people protesting on the street is more effective? I agree it makes an impact but people forget easily. Remember BERSIH? Local media reported some what? 7,000-10,000 protestors? Al-Jazeera, CNN and BBC reporters that were in the crowd, clocked between 40,000-50,000 protestors. They wanted to reform our electoral process and amongst the demands were:-

1) doing away with postal votes
2) the use of permanent ink to minimize chance of foul play
3) Removal on entries that are not valid eg deceased people
4) equal access for all parties to print media

If you recall the 2008 elections, which conditions were met? None. What happened in the end? The nation voted and the ruling coalition lost it's two thirds majority. It is why I maintain that the latter is most effective.

I believe that Malaysian football is already on the mend but it will take a few more years to win the fans back. You say staying away from stadiums isn't effective and yet we hear radio ads prompting fans to support local football. It has made an impact. Why else would FAM be trying to rebrand the league? Tan Sri Annuar Musa has the right idea and his Kelantan team will pave the way forward.

Thats the thing.. How is my analogy not suitable then? I don't see how it is'nt fair. You are saying i can get the same excitement watching Johor FC play when i can watch United games? No bro.. Just No. Its easy to say its different but without any reason to justify the difference i say you should just conceed to my point.

The thing is i don't see glory hunting as the same thing as you do. I enjoy the games United play so why am i automatically a glory hunter just because i watch their games, follow their transfers and their youth? I listen to Yuna cause she plays good music does that automatically make me a music glory hunter? So its passionate to be fans of Jalil Hamid singging but a glory hunter if you like listening to Meet Uncle Hussein?

Throwing towel now cause its just funny right now XD

No harm at all. Some people admit to being one. Not being able to define one accurately however, is a crime because you are wrongly accusing someone.

u all got trolled. yukielow has no friends and just want to talk to you guys cos he is lonely haha

football club is about entity & identity. u support a team because u're part of it.
just like ur primary schooldays. u cheer for ur red house because u're part of the red house. u dont support blue house altho they have the best sprinter in the camp because u're not part of the blue house


i said music is different analogies.music is more about tastes.
some of u might take the killers as god but for others.. Naaahh. (not because they hate the killers, but they just 'cant get into' it..some sort of cant accept the music..maybe?)

if u said u watch united for the excitement, i don't see why u cant watch chelsea at the same time? can u? don't say they do not have good football.
even blackpool can also produces some good football


i'm honest to myself..i'm supporter of selangor, i live in selangor..but sometimes i also watch chelsea and real madrid.


This post has been edited by nanamiwashio: Feb 4 2011, 04:24 PM

Do you put Selangor above foreign league and club? if yes, great. Malaysia need more supporter like you.

By your explanation

"football club is about entity & identity. u support a team because u're part of it.
just like ur primary schooldays. u cheer for ur red house because u're part of the red house. u dont support blue house altho they have the best sprinter in the camp because u're not part of the blue house"
^^^ This is a normal football club fan

if u said u watch united for the excitement, i don't see why u cant watch chelsea at the same time? can u? don't say they do not have good football.
even blackpool can also produces some good football
^^^ This is a football fan

Glory hunters are different thus what makes your statements moot.
Example of glory hunters..
United fans that suddenly support Chelsea at start of this season because they were bangging in 6-1 wins and seemed like to steamroll the league.

And have to say again.. ALL barca fans now. They have no alliegence to any team.. just want to be superior by supporting the IN team now.. so they can have fun belittle other people who support other team thats not winning

This post has been edited by Funkypeanuts: Feb 5 2011, 08:56 AM

erhh???

my father is a big fan of local football (perak)..he helps alot to trigger my interest on local football..for me, epl, la liga serie A is something like an 'entertainment' for me. i dont buy an expensive rm200++ replica shirts (also given the fact that i'm still student, no money no talk lah hehe) for these teams. i knew which one is my priority..altho i don't watch selangor away games much as i watch the team playing HOME (some sort of boring football i have to admit it ehehehe) i still do love the team.

just the same as Malaysia national team..

i'm proud to say i have my own stadium, Stadium Shah Alam & Stadium Nasional Bukit Jalil (MAS)
not Stadium Astro only hehehehehehehehehehehe


i see ur definition on gloryhunters on a different perspective.

btw ur last line make me laughs.cmon..u're not a spurs or newcastle fans are u? i'm not attacking any united fans overhere..but just to let u know



why arguing about barca then?

This post has been edited by nanamiwashio: Feb 5 2011, 02:23 PM

lulz i used to watch Malaysian football, apart from my own state Perak, i also love Kedah which was under Mohd Azaari Khor back then. I enjoyed watching nelson san martin because his skill....is rare in malaysia, u will never find another player that passes/crosses like him. I stopped watching after Kedah won the treble and they announce the ban on foreign players. Partly because the quality of the league dropped so much, partly also because there is no broadcast on TV1! ( i didnt have Astro that time).

After i had Astro, i started watching EPL/La Liga/Bundaliga and never looked back. Even J-league is way more entertaining. now i only watch once in a while on Astro Arena.

But you cant blame me either, there are too much difference. I mean just look at their passing, their awareness, their tactical pressing. Watching these europeans leagues are just way too exciting and entertaining. If Super league can be something like J-league or A-league i would be very grateful already...

Perak? I used to support that club 10 years ago, although i was born and raise at Selangor but i chose to support Perak because of my heritage + lots of my schoolmate are supporter of Red Giant. It is like MU back in the day, everybody talk about Rusdi Suparman and Azman Adnan as their favorite player.
But my favourite local player of all time is Muhd Khalid Jamlus - perfect striker with good looking but shame about his discipline outside the field, party and clubbing. Another one is Ahmad Shahrul Azhar - calm and natural leader. He can create chance for Khalid Jamlus to score too.

Today is a Classic Example with all the Cat. 1 & Cat 2 Glory Hunters ( over 90% as Yukieliow articulated so strongly) coming out
'Gloating & Jeering ' for United's loss & likewise prior to that Arsenal's Draw.

A typical example to quote from a Wolves fan
comment by Breretonwolf - 6 - (U8742921)



http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A80929993



As for me, to quote my japanese gf

たかみのけんぶつ 'takami no kenbutsu'

since when RTM no live telecast on M League? am not quite sure

astro only showed live games since last year...

before this they had a good stint on local league..early 2000. Shebby singh started his career on Astro Supersport M league telecast (well, i believe in that hehe)