is the 11mm on the tokina and 10 on the sigma is really different? in terms of distortions & 10mm is much more wider?

camera on the left..

I would have to agree with project-o on the Nikon 18-105VR, IQ wise I'm not sure which are better but the 18105 has longer reach and would give you more versatility in shooting. Th

IQ - I'm not sure which are better
VR - The 18-105VR has it and it's a definite plus
Range - The 18-105VR has a longer reach & would give more versatility in shooting
Mount - The 18105VR has a plastic mount but the 1870 has a metal mount which is very good. Built quality wise I think the 1870 is better.


The 50mm replicates the human eye field of view on 35mm film/full frame dslr.
The 35mm is the closest thing to the human eye field of view on a aps-c dslr like D5000/D90/D300 etc.

To have AF capabilities on D5000 these are your options:

- Nikon AFS 50mm f/1.4 (RM 18xx) This would give you a better bokeh than the 35mm because of the 50mm focal length and big aperture size.
- Nikon AFS 35mm f/1.8 (RM 8xx)

D3000 is so cheaP!

that's why la..if the OFFICIAL RRP is that cheap, i wonder how cheap it is on the street?

The Hundred Ringgit VR Question
Does VR cause image degradation? I know that one of the lens element move a lot when you use VR. In lens assembly, I think they go all out to ensure that all optical elements are symmetrical about the optical axis. With VR, suddenly you have one element going up and down off axis. Will VR cause more lens distortion than without VR? Are you trading off a bit more distortion for gains in shutter speed?

Here a quote from the Sony Alpha 900 catalog:



Below the IS video again:

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Added on September 4, 2009, 4:23 pmAre there "Prime"s with varying aperture?

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Added on September 4, 2009, 4:26 pmRaya promo kepala bapak dia la!! D90 lagi mahal ada la.

This post has been edited by HiroBoroi: Sep 4 2009, 04:26 PM

Limited "sony" lens choices (can use minolta but no new ones) & proprietary hardware like sony's flash hot shoe is enough to keep me away from them..

How much image degradation is there? Percentage? I guess not enough to keep pros like photojournalist and wildlife photographers away from Nikon and Canon.

I would say that there's not much concern here as a lot of professional photographers use Nikon VR lenses and Canon IS lenses. Plus keep in mind that if you're using a tripod during a model photoshoot or landscape shooting etc, you need to turn the VR off anyways..so no worries for me. I'm guessing that you also need to turn off the SteadyShot INSIDE when using tripod.

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Added on September 4, 2009, 4:44 pmYou need to understand this.. I need beginners in dslr to easily understand that prime lenses have a fixed aperture. I dont want them to think that the ONLY difference of primes & zooms are that they are fixed focal length. I also want them to know that fixed focal/primes = fixed aperture.

Tu harga RRP Nikon bukan harga street price cik..

This post has been edited by alpha_company: Sep 4 2009, 05:02 PM

Errr ... this is not a Sony vs Nikon who is better. The thing I'm asking is whether VR (in lens stabilization) cause image degradation. All the lens test data for distortion, MTFs etc, I think they are done on tripod or concrete metal bases with VR turned off. If you use long telephotos to shoot sports/birds, then this is irrelevant. Most of the pics will be wide and "bokeh"ed anyway. But if you shoot architectural, interior, cityscapes with buildings where you want absolute straightness and perfect symmetry ... hmmm ... aren't you curious to know?

Sorry for that statement..im not implying which is better etc..

To be honest...I want to know about it too..

Maybe this potential problem would effect zoom lenses a lot more? I dont know as there's not much info/data about this..

This post has been edited by alpha_company: Sep 4 2009, 05:02 PM

Another thing ya. VR is for handheld picture taking right? Then how come some of the big Nikon/Canon guns also have VR? For example the AF-S Nikkor 600mm f/4G which weight at 5 kilos, also got VR. Put this lens on D3 (1.2kg), can handheld ka? Wah sure pancit one. Can you still use VR if its on a monopod or Wimberly type thingy?

hehe.. maybe like this guy kot



This post has been edited by alpha_company: Sep 4 2009, 06:24 PM

i bet he damaged his right eye with that..

1D mark3?

Maybe super telephotos need VR even on a monopod because of it's focal length unlike normal zooms with VR. Just a theory.

Maybe those super tele lenses need VR not for handheld but for shooting on moving vehicles like in the african safari and helicopters. I would guess that with a large stable tripod on firm ground, the VR on those lenses still needs to be turned off.

Back to the VR thing, I googled and can't any articles so far that says lens based image stabilization degrades the image. Still searching. I'm really curious after reading the statement from Sony's brochure. I'm sure they don't simply put that one in.

p/s - Land Rovers and helicopters, ah now I see the need for VR in the 600mm.

i suggest the 50mm, kena poisoned oso
i tried the 35mm, n i say the bokeh dissapointed me, so now aiming for 50mm instead

even if the super-tele lenses r on stable tripod, if wanna do panning shots u'll b turning the lens
so thats where the VR comes in useful?

nanti sakit belakang kot

look at his biceps, that comes in handy

This post has been edited by a.ihsan: Sep 5 2009, 05:47 AM

got my nissin di622 yesterday for rm450
but didn't find sanyo enelop rechargeable battery like alpha_company suggested
got GP brand instead =.=`

No worries..i just suggested Sanyo 'Eneloop' and Maha 'Imedion' batteries because these batteries can still have 85% of their charge even after a year!...so if you left em charged for a month or two and still havent used them, u dont need to worry charging again..

Sanyo Eneloop is hard to get at normal shop, and even camera shops. I got em from this forum..sent via poslaju..

what GP model you got? 2100? with the charger right? how much is it?

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Added on September 5, 2009, 8:30 amLook at his tangan laa...muscle naik already..hehehe..i dont have that..

Info from Nikon:

It is often thought that image blur caused by camera movement can be prevented by using a tripod. Actually, however, even using a tripod may result in slight blur. This is because vibration of a tripod caused by mirror or shutter movement at the time of exposure can affect an image. Nikon's VR function automatically differentiates the frequency of this vibration from that of hand movement, and changes algorithm to correct image blur caused by tripod movement. This special function is employed in some of our VR lenses ー mainly in telephoto lenses that are likely to be used with a tripod.

READ HERE TOO!

This post has been edited by alpha_company: Sep 5 2009, 08:39 AM

i got GP NiMH 2700 series + charger
for rm134

This post has been edited by heLL[tuRt]: Sep 5 2009, 11:27 AM

izit me tat poisoned u??

where can i get affordable D40.
2nd or first...